Chicago Police Kill 2 During Domestic Disturbance Call

[DexterMorgan]

So, if a loved one is having a medical emergency, is there a number one can call that won't result in gunmen kicking down your door and shooting wildly?

Call the ambulance since they obviously should be going to a hospital for an evaluation and medicine. So there's your option.

Oh but wait. The temporarily insane person may try to attack the ambulance driver the same way they tried to attack the person hiding in the house.

 

[kimlynn]

Here's another report of the son calling 911 before his father called. I want to know why he called, maybe we aren't getting the full story yet.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/2...d-killed-55-year-old-woman.html?intcmp=hplnws

Obviously guessing but I wonder if the son was calling for help/transport because he knew that he was having issues with his mental health.
Could be that he had called for help in the past and was given help by LE as far as transportation to hospital or mental health clinic.
Also could be that he called because father had locked him out of the home. If he was locked out of the home. Not clear on that yet.
In his mind he wanted in and wasn't a threat to father. Maybe the bat was used in anger to bang on door and get father to open door.
IMO

 

[Tillicum]

Obviously guessing but I wonder if the son was calling for help/transport because he knew that he was having issues with his mental health.
Could be that he had called for help in the past and was given help by LE as far as transportation to hospital or mental health clinic.
Also could be that he called because father had locked him out of the home. If he was locked out of the home. Not clear on that yet.
In his mind he wanted in and wasn't a threat to father. Maybe the bat was used in anger to bang on door and get father to open door.
IMO

And what did he mean by "You're not going to scare me"? From same link.

The elder LeGrier said he heard loud banging on his locked bedroom door around 4:15 a.m. and that his son said, "You're not going to scare me." He said his son tried to bust the door open, but he kept him from doing so and called police.

 

[kimlynn]

And what did he mean by "You're not going to scare me"? From same link.

Father may have told him that he was calling police or was going to have him locked up.
We may never know since son is no longer alive.

 

[Tawny]

I agree to the point, I'm tired of the protesters using their right to protest, but they infringe on the rights of others by blocking traffic, and closing malls because of the chaos and potential danger. No respect for people trying to work, shop, go about the day uninpeded by disrespectful protesters.:moo:

Which right are they infringing on by blocking a road? By blocking a shopper's access to mall merchandise?

 

[bluesneakers]

And what did he mean by "You're not going to scare me"? From same link.

It could mean so many things, couldn't it? But if he were having a psychotic break / experiencing psychosis it might be something that made sense only to him. I'm not sure what his problems were though, just he'd had some mental health issues in the fall.

I wonder if this was a reaction to his new medication?

 

[Woodland]

This entire thread is full of assumptions based on incomplete versions of "what really happened".

Not seeing the comparison - unless the assumptions here will form part of an official investigation?

 

[Woodland]

I think I read in an earlier article that police aren't sure if any video of events are available.IMO

Trust that has become the #1 concern after a shooting by LE - who saw us? What should we say happened? Will what we say now come back and bite us later?

 

[drjones]

Not seeing the comparison - unless the assumptions here will form part of an official investigation?

There was no comparison. Just a statement.

 

[kimlynn]

Trust that has become the #1 concern after a shooting by LE - who saw us? What should we say happened? Will what we say now come back and bite us later?

If only their actions would reflect any concern. Seems even with video proof they get by just fine. I am glad that people are more vocal and calling attention to the problems between LE and citizens.
IMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

Which right are they infringing on by blocking a road? By blocking a shopper's access to mall merchandise?

It seems pretty harmless when one is not forced to shop under those conditions during a major holiday. Especially when half the people there could be getting food stamps which is paid for by the same tax payers who are being inconvenienced while trying to get shopping done at the Great Mall and any where else. Jmo

Protest in front the police station or city hall and not the malls or places of business that have nothing to do with the movement. Jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

Which right are they infringing on by blocking a road? By blocking a shopper's access to mall merchandise?

These protests are the result of desperation and anger over a situation that has so far been answered only with a lack of action and accountability. If nothing works, if no one is listening - what's left?

 

[Irisha]

Which right are they infringing on by blocking a road? By blocking a shopper's access to mall merchandise?

I think you know that's not what I implied. Blocking any car from moving freely in traffic, is IMO, violating drivers rights. It has nothing to do with mall merchandising. Mall of America had to close out of, I'm sure, security concerns. How many employees still got paid while they had to shut the doors? The protesters have rights but so do law abiding citizens going about their own business.:moo:

 

[Sonya610]

Which right are they infringing on by blocking a road? By blocking a shopper's access to mall merchandise?

Disrupting business at Malls most definitely IS violating other people's rights!

The Fifth Amendment gives the mall owners and tenants the right to use their own property. The protesters that disrupt business on private property are violating the rights of the property owner.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I think you know that's not what I implied. Blocking any car from moving freely in traffic, is IMO, violating drivers rights. It has nothing to do with mall merchandising. Mall of America had to close out of, I'm sure, security concerns. How many employees still got paid while they had to shut the doors? The protesters have rights but so do law abiding citizens going about their own business.:moo:

Agree. To own a booth or store in those upscale malls cost more than renting a mansion on a monthly basis. So the holiday money is definitely needed to make a profit.

And the mall is going to have to make financial ammends with booth or store owners that lost out. Jmo.

 

[Tillicum]

“I holler at him all the time and he’s never raised his hand up at me,” Cooksey said. “So I know [the boy's father] could have dealt with that situation, and I wouldn’t be here today. He should have called me.”

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1209315/relatives-2-killed-chicago-police-demand-changes

 

[kimlynn]

It seems pretty harmless when one is not forced to shop under those conditions during a major holiday. Especially when half the people there could be getting food stamps which is paid for by the same tax payers who are being inconvenienced while trying to get shopping done at the Great Mall and any where else. Jmo

Protest in front the police station or city hall and not the malls or places of business that have nothing to do with the movement. Jmo

Some of the patrons didn't mind and even joined protesters by walking with them for a few blocks.
As a person that has attended a few protests for other causes, I don't agree with blocking traffic or stores.
I think only a few were arrested,so maybe it was a small group that blocked traffic and doors.
IMO

 

[Zuri]

I was thinking about this tragedy this morning and wondering why it seems we are hearing more and more of these incidents. I realize that these police related shootings are a small percentage of all police activity.

Have LEO become more afraid of dying doing their jobs? And leaving behind wives and children? I would hope that there is LE oversight committees to evaluate the health of their officers. I don't know how they do their jobs like they do, facing the unknown hour after after, all with the possibility of dying.

I am grateful for the job LE does. I am hoping there will less violence in 2016.

 

[DexterMorgan]

“I holler at him all the time and he’s never raised his hand up at me,” Cooksey said. “So I know [the boy's father] could have dealt with that situation, and I wouldn’t be here today. He should have called me.”

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1209315/relatives-2-killed-chicago-police-demand-changes

Dang. Throw pops under the bus. Maybe he did love and respected you more mom. But his father had to have good reason if he was locking doors and calling police. Jmo

I feel horrible for mom. But throwing pops under the bus will probably have the neighbors blaming him as well.

Domestic violence is serious. And one should be able to call the police if they feel threatened. But he could have called mom and updated her right after calling the police. Jmo.

 

[drjones]

Dang. Throw pops under the bus. Maybe he did love and respected you more mom. But his father had to have good reason if he was locking doors and calling police. Jmo

I feel horrible for mom. But throwing pops under the bus will probably have the neighbors blaming him as well.

Domestic violence is serious. And one should be able to call the police if they feel threatened. But he could have called mom and updated her right after calling the police. Jmo.

she also said at the press conference this morning "i wanted his father to be here too but he decided to go see a lawyer instead"

she did not sound pleased.