Found Deceased Chile - Tom Marsh 60, Uk National, University Professor missing from a research trip, 16 September 2022

[annpats]

I agree with you fully, its a long haul with that travel time and the the time difference as well. But, how far would he get though if he was exhausted as this. IDK
IMO I don't think he would get far. So they should have found him by now.

I was thinking more mental exhaustion and jet-lag, and/or possibly dehydration, DVT, etc. ..

They'd been at the Telescope facility for for 2 days, so did have a chance to catch up on sleep etc. before doing some research, but sleeping patterns can be knocked out and irritability can start.

Prof. Marsh did sound very irritated in what he said to the student. Uncharacteristically so.

 

[Snoopster]

I was thinking more mental exhaustion and jet-lag, and/or possibly dehydration, DVT, etc. ..

They'd been at the Telescope facility for for 2 days, so did have a chance to catch up on sleep etc. before doing some research, but sleeping patterns can be knocked out and irritability can start.

Prof. Marsh did sound very irritated in what he said to the student. Uncharacteristically so.

BBM

What makes you say 'uncharacteristically so'?
We don't know him.
Having said that, he might be a very placid guy normally. And we are taking the student's word as to what the professor said. We don't know if the student messed something up and that caused the prof to get angry. Or the student got extremely defensive.

We just don't know.

And, we don't know if the spat even mattered. These high performing individuals might have been tense for a moment and then moved on.
We do know that TM was a 'walker' and he had been in this region before. His family believed he would have gone off walking in the area. If he went for a morning hike and had an incident that would not surprise me after looking at the landscape. I'm leaning toward medical issue or accident.

Of course I believe that LE should continue to follow it up as his disappearance could have also been caused by someone else...a very limited list. But I rate this likelihood as lower.

All my opinion only, naturally.

 

[5W's]

BBM

What makes you say 'uncharacteristically so'?
We don't know him.
Having said that, he might be a very placid guy normally. And we are taking the student's word as to what the professor said. We don't know if the student messed something up and that caused the prof to get angry. Or the student got extremely defensive.

We just don't know.

And, we don't know if the spat even mattered. These high performing individuals might have been tense for a moment and then moved on.
We do know that TM was a 'walker' and he had been in this region before. His family believed he would have gone off walking in the area. If he went for a morning hike and had an incident that would not surprise me after looking at the landscape. I'm leaning toward medical issue or accident.

Of course I believe that LE should continue to follow it up as his disappearance could have also been caused by someone else...a very limited list. But I rate this likelihood as lower.

All my opinion only, naturally.

I think the OP has a valid suggestion about TM being "uncharacterisically so." Firstly, he was very irritble, the student had apparently gotten along with him fine the day before. Plus the student didn't want to offend TM so he would just not say anything to him in person. But the student was concerned enough to tell his friend what had happened by sending the email. So IMO we can deduce some things that occurred during Tom's outburst and the student's reaction.

 

[5W's]

Bringing forward my post of a map of La Silla, which does label one building as a hotel. I have read that he & the student stayed in this building. Since it is not open to the public, it being called a "hotel" doesn't fit what most of us would expect if it only houses authorized visitors.

Thanks for saying this that's what I was trying to state but you said it perfectly. Thanks again.

 

[5W's]

From the recent search report, it would be good to know more of the following (BBM):

Reconstruction of the ride​

According to sources from El Día, the tracking work has been going on for a few weeks along the route that Tom Marsh would have taken on the morning of September 16.

Prehistory indicates certain objects and traces found from the paved road to the slope of La Silla hill, which suggests that the astrophysicist could have left this road to take a course along some of the trails in the sector.

However, at a certain point on the dirt roads, his trail is lost and the direction in which he may have gone is unknown.

In the midst of this work, the evidence found was crucial, such as Marsh's belongings in his room intact, the keys found on the way to the telescope, and the fact that he had never reached his destination.

In this sense, the laboratory analysis of other evidence found, to verify that it corresponds to the disappeared person, is essential to continue the path undertaken by the prosecution.

I guess 'traces from the paved road' could mean footprints perhaps, but what would 'certain objects' refer too? We know that Tom dropped his keys but what other objects could he have dropped/discarded? Could he have fallen at some point and these items fell out of his clothing?

Then the 'laboratory analysis of other evidence found' - again, what is this other evidence referring to? Blood stains on the road? Items of clothing? Strange emails?

5 weeks missing now, he has to be out there somewhere - i hope they find him soon.

From what they are talking of it sounds to me like Santa Maria. But again that's odd that they wouldn't specifically say that, though. Areas before Santa Maria? That could be a possibility. The areas would just be homes of people though. I think that's what is being referred to as shelters. It is possible that he got picked up on the road by a vehicle and that's where the scent ended? To me it sounds that the scent ended on a road if I'm reading correctly. Santa Maria is 60kms away if Tom was that irritable and feeling so flustered would he be able to make it that far?

 

[WingsOverTX]

Hoping someone who speaks the language (Portuguese?) can translate Oct. 26 update this better than Google.

Tom Marsh case: Specialized firefighters join the search for clues in 38-hour journeys

Caso Tom Marsh: Bomberos especializados se integran a búsqueda de pistas en jornadas de 38 horas

In his last appearance before the media, inspector Adrián Vega stated that he had resources to continue the search until October 30, today he insists that if necessary, it could be extended.

“It depends on what you achieve until the 30th day. If you don't achieve everything you want, if you want to extend it (the search), but that's still not the case. Because we are also talking about difficult terrain. But if the search is not opened as intended, it will have to be expanded”, he said.

 

[annpats]

Hoping someone who speaks the language (Portuguese?) can translate Oct. 26 update this better than Google.

Tom Marsh case: Specialized firefighters join the search for clues in 38-hour journeys

Caso Tom Marsh: Bomberos especializados se integran a búsqueda de pistas en jornadas de 38 horas

In his last appearance before the media, inspector Adrián Vega stated that he had resources to continue the search until October 30, today he insists that if necessary, it could be extended.

“It depends on what you achieve until the 30th day. If you don't achieve everything you want, if you want to extend it (the search), but that's still not the case. Because we are also talking about difficult terrain. But if the search is not opened as intended, it will have to be expanded”, he said.

It's in Spanish! Because they speak Spanish in Chile, where Tom is missing.

FYI, the only country that speaks Portuguese in the Americas is Brazil.

 

[5W's]

Hoping someone who speaks the language (Portuguese?) can translate Oct. 26 update this better than Google.

Tom Marsh case: Specialized firefighters join the search for clues in 38-hour journeys

Caso Tom Marsh: Bomberos especializados se integran a búsqueda de pistas en jornadas de 38 horas

In his last appearance before the media, inspector Adrián Vega stated that he had resources to continue the search until October 30, today he insists that if necessary, it could be extended.

“It depends on what you achieve until the 30th day. If you don't achieve everything you want, if you want to extend it (the search), but that's still not the case. Because we are also talking about difficult terrain. But if the search is not opened as intended, it will have to be expanded”, he said.

IMO from what Vega is saying it sounds like Tom may still be alive they are under that thought that's why its being extended. Did he diverge from the road somehow and that's why "difficult terrain is being stated? " IDK but that's what it looks like to me what they are saying here?

Hoping someone who speaks the language (Portuguese?) can translate Oct. 26 update this better than Google.

Tom Marsh case: Specialized firefighters join the search for clues in 38-hour journeys

Caso Tom Marsh: Bomberos especializados se integran a búsqueda de pistas en jornadas de 38 horas

In his last appearance before the media, inspector Adrián Vega stated that he had resources to continue the search until October 30, today he insists that if necessary, it could be extended.

“It depends on what you achieve until the 30th day. If you don't achieve everything you want, if you want to extend it (the search), but that's still not the case. Because we are also talking about difficult terrain. But if the search is not opened as intended, it will have to be expanded”, he said.

Is this article in Portugese? It may be a Portugese newspaper.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

s this article in Portugese? It may be a Portugese newspaper.

Google translate says it's Spanish.

 

[Hexe]

Is this article in Portugese? It may be a Portugese newspaper.

It's Spanish.

 

[5W's]

Nothing new on Tom's case. But at least they are still searching. It is confusing though because the difficult terrain could mean of a jungle, desert. What we know is there's desert, there's beachside in Santa Maria so if there's the beach is there also a jungle around? But a jungle would have wild animals in it. LE hasn't said anything about that. So desert and hilly? If he fell off a hill there would be signs of him so I don't think so.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Familia de astrónomo Tom Marsh visitará observatorio La Silla y participará en trabajos de búsqueda

La familia del astrónomo británico Tom Marsh, desaparecido hace más de 40 días en terrenos del observatorio La Silla, arribó a Chile para estar este sábado en el “punto cero” de los trabajos de búsqueda en terreno. Fuentes de El Día indicaron que Felicity Marsh, esposa del científico, viajó...

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Part of translated page.
October 29, 2022

Family of astronomer Tom Marsh will visit La Silla observatory and participate in search work​

The family of British astronomer Tom Marsh, who disappeared more than 40 days ago on the grounds of the La Silla observatory, arrived in Chile this Saturday to be at "point zero" of the search work on the ground.

Sources from El Día indicated that Felicity Marsh, the scientist's wife, traveled accompanied by at least one of her children, as well as British police officers.

In addition, he will meet with the regional prosecutor of Coquimbo, Adrián Vega, to see firsthand the hard work to cover the area of greatest interest in the case.


Until a few days ago, the role of the relatives had been rather that of a silent accompaniment, in constant telephone contact with the prosecutor Vega from the United Kingdom, and through some declarations and thanks on Twitter.

On the social network, both Felícity and her daughter, Tabitha, have requested information about Tom Marsh from anyone who might have clues as to his whereabouts.

This changed this week, with a video statement shared by the same Regional Prosecutor's Office, in parallel to the rumors of the family's arrival in the country.

It should be noted that, so far, both Felícity and her children have decided not to give interviews to the press.

However, in their video statement, they reaffirmed their hopes of finding the academic alive and appreciated the support they have received since September 16, when Marsh was lost.

The regional prosecutor Adrián Vega held a new press point on Thursday, to update the progress and difficulties of the search.

There he stated that "it has been possible to grid the terrain quite effectively and there are still some sectors to go through in a more specific way."

With this, he confirmed that the planning to extend the work until Sunday, October 30, continues, although he affirmed that there is a real possibility of continuing "at least a couple more weeks.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Desaparición de astrónomo Tom Marsh: Fiscalía extiende búsqueda hasta el 15 de noviembre

Hasta el 15 de noviembre se extenderá la búsqueda del astrónomo británico Tom Marsh, desaparecido desde hace 43 días en cercanías del observatorio La Silla. Luego de esto, se evaluará la continuidad de los trabajos de rastreo.

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This Saturday, the search for British astronomer Tom Marsh , who has been missing for 43 days on the grounds of the La Silla observatory in the commune of La Higuera, in the Coquimbo region, was extended.

According to the newspaper El Día , the regional prosecutor, Adrián Vega, confirmed the extension of the search until next November 15.
After it was reported that there are no indications that the professional is in the observatory, the search was carried out on the ground, finding certain Tom Marsh objects between the hotel and the La Silla telescope, for which it is presumed that he would have carried out a walk along the side of the hill.

Other evidence was found between 1 and 3.5 kilometers to the south-west of the observatory, which made it possible to project the site of interest and limit the tracking space.

Prosecutor Vega added that “the laboratories have confirmed that they belong to Mr. Marsh and, due to their characteristics, we can confirm this. In this context, it is not a blind search nowadays”, published El Día.

 

[Kemug]

I need a new case to follow like I need a hole in the head, but the location being Chile has finally drawn me in - I have visited Chile a number of times to see family in the north. And more inhospitable country you could never find. The Atacama Desert reaches right to the coast, and rain is almost unheard of. If the Professor was on foot, I think there is no possibility that he is still alive, sad to say.

 

[Kemug]

Also sad to say, I have to agree with those of you who speculate that the Professor has had some sort of a mental break, or breakdown if you will. So him leaving that night may have been a) because he wasn't in his right mind, or alternately, b) possibly because he had maybe realised that his mind was going (there may have been previous incidents). I really don't think any foul play is involved.

 

[5W's]

I need a new case to follow like I need a hole in the head, but the location being Chile has finally drawn me in - I have visited Chile a number of times to see family in the north. And more inhospitable country you could never find. The Atacama Desert reaches right to the coast, and rain is almost unheard of. If the Professor was on foot, I think there is no possibility that he is still alive, sad to say.

Can you tell me one thing I think that there is a directional description on one of the maps of the site but I would have to look back and find it, but can you tell me when we are facing the observatory overlooking the edge of the hill it sits on what direction is that? What are we facing north, south, east or west?

 

[5W's]

Also sad to say, I have to agree with those of you who speculate that the Professor has had some sort of a mental break, or breakdown if you will. So him leaving that night may have been a) because he wasn't in his right mind, or alternately, b) possibly because he had maybe realised that his mind was going (there may have been previous incidents). I really don't think any foul play is involved.

We can't say that for sure because from what Vega is saying it really doe sound that they think he is still alive somewhere. He may not be dead but he is alive somewhere and if so how has he been survivng the last 40 days?

 

[Kemug]

A psychiatrist whom I happen to know said that if an incident like this or similar, occurs for example when jetlagged after a long flight, it is not that the flight and jetlag caused it, but that a person who already has a brain problem is more susceptible. I would be surprised if the Professor has not had some previous history of mental problems, however minor.

 

[Kemug]

Can you tell me one thing I think that there is a directional description on one of the maps of the site but I would have to look back and find it, but can you tell me when we are facing the observatory overlooking the edge of the hill it sits on what direction is that? What are we facing north, south, east or west?

I'm sorry I can't help you there, as I never went to either of the observatories. But google is your friend - type in any place, and a map will come up.

 

[Kemug]

We can't say that for sure because from what Vega is saying it really doe sound that they think he is still alive somewhere. He may not be dead but he is alive somewhere and if so how has he been survivng the last 40 days?

Well, I truly hope so, but I really doubt it. He would have to have had help.