Christmas Jerry Falwell Style

[mic730]

What's it like being that close to the "Theo" Con Artist Colony?

May the true spirit of light and love overpower the darkness of ignorance for all to benefit equally.

I hope I don't run the risk of being sent to the PP forum for saying this here.
It felt pretty good on election day that we put another Democrat in the Governors Manision!
It really does not touch my life that much but I choose who I associate with using extreme caution to not get too close to the "Theo" Con Artist Colony (I LOVE THAT).

I love this season and I just may make a trip to shop in Target in Lynchburg!
Gotta make a stand where you can.

 

[Maral]

I don't know much about the guy - does he have many followers? do they consider themselves Christian?

Cass, I really have no idea how many followers he has. But even if he has just one, that is still frightening to me.
Here are just a few quotes of his:

."AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals"

."It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening"

."If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being"

."The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country"

."Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America."

 

[Casshew]

He sounds delusional, and let me guess - he lives like a millionaire with coffers full of donated $$$ by his followers?

Mic, I recognize Larry Flint's name coz I saw the movie with Woody Harrelson :crazy:

 

[dakini]

I hope I don't run the risk of being sent to the PP forum for saying this here.
It felt pretty good on election day that we put another Democrat in the Governors Manision!
It really does not touch my life that much but I choose who I associate with using extreme caution to not get too close to the "Theo" Con Artist Colony (I LOVE THAT).

I love this season and I just may make a trip to shop in Target in Lynchburg!
Gotta make a stand where you can.

Hey Mic

Maybe we should start a Shop Target movement. lol
I LOVE TARGET! Which we pronounce "Tarjay" .

Maral--thanks for including the Falwell quotes. Most of the time my good humor and faith in intelligent goodness make me feel that no one surely can take him and seriously that he doesn't seem to pose a threat.

Unfortunately, many liberal intellectuals in Germany said the same thing about Hitler's party.

It is not him alone though. He is rich, and he is aligned with significant power mongers including some in the current administration.

They are not interested in equality. They ignore certain of Christ's teachings in favor of militant ones. I am sorry to say, this view is looking like our own version of American Taliban.

PS Cass you can't really mean you never heard of Falwell.

 

[mic730]

Falwell is huge. The Moral Majoirty he started that.
http://www.falwell.com/?a=about



snippet of mission statement:

Mission Statement

The website www.falwell.com is sponsored by The Liberty Alliance. The Liberty Alliance is a not for profit educational and lobbying organization. It is an IRS recognized 501(c)(4) corporation chartered in Washington, D.C. that is allowed to lobby Congress and influence legislation. Our goal is to promote traditional family values and battle the liberals who would attempt to destroy those godly principles. We still hold to the four main tenets of the original Moral Majority as it was established in 1979: 1) pro-family, 2) pro-life, 3) pro-defense and, 4)pro-Israel. Gifts to The Liberty Alliance are, by law, not tax-deductible

Info on the church:
Thomas Road Baptist Church, in Lynchburg, Virginia. It was founded in 1956 by Dr. Jerry Falwell, who is still its senior pastor. Thomas Road claims over 24,000 regularly attending members. Thomas Road Baptist Church is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.
http://thomas-road-baptist-church.biography.ms/

PS:
I am thankful evreryday for my 3 years in Toronto that let me expand my mind and person away from this type of thing after growing up so close to it!

 

[Casshew]

I'm skeered to click on those Falwell links

and Dakini

I have heard the name - but I get him mixed up wth Jerry Springer

 

[dakini]

I'm skeered to click on those Falwell links

and Dakini

I have heard the name - but I get him mixed up wth Jerry Springer

Cass-

Be afraid, be very afraid! That's his whole strategy. It is not love thy neighbor.


lol on the Jerry Springer mix up.

 

[mic730]

I am afraid - afraid they might figure out where I live!

 

[lynie]

I gotta say the whole born again thing scares me! I have relatives who since they have "found" religion again in their lives have become the most bigotted spiteful people. They waste no time telling all around who is going to hell and who is not, and that they are very sad that they won't be seeing some of us there :waitasec:

 

[Dark Knight]

I gotta say the whole born again thing scares me! I have relatives who since they have "found" religion again in their lives have become the most bigotted spiteful people. They waste no time telling all around who is going to hell and who is not, and that they are very sad that they won't be seeing some of us there :waitasec:

There's nothing wrong with being born-again, as Christ calls us to be, it's just that some people do it for the wrong reasons to begin with, it would appear.

 

[dakini]

There's nothing wrong with being born-again, as Christ calls us to be, it's just that some people do it for the wrong reasons to begin with, it would appear.

Thank you for saying this.

May all true followers of the Prince of Peace not allow their path to be manipulated by those to profess to be of the same faith and yet speak and act in ways contrary to the teachings.

May all authentic paths be followed purely so that all beings may benefit.

 

[dakini]

Thank you for saying this.

May all true followers of the Prince of Peace not allow their path to be manipulated by those to profess to be of the same faith and yet speak and act in ways contrary to the teachings.

May all authentic paths be followed purely so that all beings may benefit.

Bill Berkowitz
November 20, 2005

Christmas under attack: A manufactured crisis

Conservatives launch annual campaign accusing liberals of declaring war on Christmas; the Rev. Jerry Falwell says it's time to 'draw a line in the sand' and 'resist' the secularist Christmas bashers

Conservative Christian fundamentalists, right wing Christian legal groups, and most of the Fox News Channel's prime time crew are echoing variations on the same theme: liberals are once again out to destroy Christmas. Instead of the ancient cry that "Jews killed Christ," fundamentalist Christians and their conservative allies are accusing liberals -- which in those circles is often read, Jews -- for trying to remove Christmas from the public square.

Last year the Rev. Jerry Falwell claimed "secularists" "
http://www.mediatransparency.com/story.php?storyID=94

 

[dakini]

O'Reilly: "War" on Christmas part of "secular progressive agenda" that includes "legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage"


http://mediamatters.org/items/200511210003

 

[Dark Knight]

Thank you for saying this.

May all true followers of the Prince of Peace not allow their path to be manipulated by those to profess to be of the same faith and yet speak and act in ways contrary to the teachings.

May all authentic paths be followed purely so that all beings may benefit.

That being said, I am also against those trying to take the Christ out of Christmas, when we were doing just fine with Him in it for all these years. After all, Who's birthday is it celebrating, anyways? :blowkiss:

ETA: It could be argued that those who are trying to secularize Christmas even more are the ones trying to divide us after all this time, not the "conservative Christians" who are simply defending their Holy Day from those trying to enact secular changes. If they truly wanted peace and harmony, they should have left well enough alone, perhaps.

 

[dakini]

That being said, I am also against those trying to take the Christ out of Christmas, when we were doing just fine with Him in it for all these years. After all, Who's birthday is it celebrating, anyways? :blowkiss:

ETA: It could be argued that those who are trying to secularize Christmas even more are the ones trying to divide us after all this time, not the "conservative Christians" who are simply defending their Holy Day from those trying to enact secular changes. If they truly wanted peace and harmony, they should have left well enough alone, perhaps.

The holiday of Christmas needs no defense, nor is anyone interested in secularizing it.

Fox and Rush are living in a country where they see Christmas under attack.

Me, I live in a country where Christmas is every where, and is the dominant winter event.

 

[Marthatex]

It's a sad day when we worry about what expression they use or how they decorate at Toys R Us, Kohls and Dillards -

when children listen to trash every day on TV, play violent video games and the models at Victoria Secret have on a santa hat and g-string and fish-net hose for children and all the world to see.

Priorities, priorities...

 

[Dark Knight]

SURVEY FINDS MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK RELIGION IS LOSING INFLUENCE

NEW YORK (AP) - Sixty-four percent of the American people
believe religion is "under attack," according to a new poll
released by the Anti-Defamation League.
The poll found 53 percent of Americans likewise believe that
religion as a whole is "losing its influence in American life."
Of the 800 adults polled, 47 percent favored organized prayer in
public school, 56 percent wanted creationism taught alongside
evolution and 64 percent want religious symbols such as the Ten
Commandments displayed in public buildings.

 

[dakini]

SURVEY FINDS MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK RELIGION IS LOSING INFLUENCE

NEW YORK (AP) - Sixty-four percent of the American people
believe religion is "under attack," according to a new poll
released by the Anti-Defamation League.
The poll found 53 percent of Americans likewise believe that
religion as a whole is "losing its influence in American life."
Of the 800 adults polled, 47 percent favored organized prayer in
public school, 56 percent wanted creationism taught alongside
evolution and 64 percent want religious symbols such as the Ten
Commandments displayed in public buildings.

Which Anti-defamation league are you representing in this article that does not have the link?

"The national director of the Anti-Defamation League is calling on Jewish organizations to join him in coordinating a communal strategy for confronting the political and cultural initiatives of religious conservative groups."
http://www.forward.com/articles/6856


Considering what signs of degeneration they cite in the polls one would think they are polling many who listen to the 700 club and O'LIEly, Rush, and Faux Entertainment News. This message is hammered over and over again by these media outlets. To what end? What benefit is that? Making people afraid of their neighbors?

No one polled me.

I agree we live in dark times. Those who practice pure virtue and follow the path are as rare as stars in the daytime. Even Buddhists feel this way.

We see different signs of "degenerative times". To me a sign of those times are practitioneers of a path of peace being at war with their neighbors over rigid, fixed views.

Another sign is spiritual practitioners thinking the enemies of virtue are outside themselves. Looking for flaws in others, not correcting the internal flaws. Ignoring the goodness in others, not respecting paths of practice that may be different from one's own.

Thank you for including the link. I will check this out.

Why dd the religious practitioners not ask what we have in common with each other? We all want to be happy. We all do not want to suffer. We all want freedom and opportunity.

We are asking each other the wrong questions in my opinion if we want to create respect and mutual understanding.

We cannot dismiss each other as "irrelevant" for being a minority view. Wisdom is not the province of only one path of spirituality. All the great religions have wisdom teachings, love, compassion.

We are not really on such different sides of so many issues. I am just upset that every holiday now is being used to attack ideological opponents.

Are you aware that James Dobson, Focus on the Family uses the Thankgiving Day parade to spread negative propaganda about gay people? This is my family under attack.., my fellow sentient beings.

Gay people want to live in peace, marry, have families, live, work, pay taxes and serve the community as citizens.

I know there are many kind, sincere, people of faith and reason here at WS who feel deeply about this issue on all sides.

If Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and these kind of folks represent Truth and the highest the path of the Prince of Peace has to offer than I truly know nothing about religion and spirituality.

 

[tybee204]

I thought the importance of Faith was to display it in ones heart, not a local Target Store. Merry Christmas in a retail store does not reinforce anyones Christian beliefs. It simply commercializes them.

What does the birth of Christ have to do with Target is my question.

 

[dakini]

I thought the importance of Faith was to display it in ones heart, not a local Target Store. Merry Christmas in a retail store does not reinforce anyones Christian beliefs. It simply commercializes them.

What does the birth of Christ have to do with Target is my question.

Christianity is a beautiful religion of hope and redemption, based on the universal love of God. Christianism is an ugly political ideology, based on power, hatred and hypocrisy, whose sole goal is the destruction of the United States of America.

9/11 is a good benchmark to show the difference between Christians and Christianists. A Christian, following the attacks of 9/11, most likely prayed to God for mercy for the victims, prayed that peace would come to the families of the victims, and prayed that God would protect the Nation. The Christianists, however, took 9/11 as an opportunity to blast their political opponents, such as Falwell blaming 9/11 on the liberals.

Christianism uses Christianity in order to further its agenda, which can be quickly summed up in two goals:

1. The establishment of a state religion. This state religion, of course, is not to promote Christianity, but rather to consolidate power in order to achieve their second goal.
2. Legislation of their repressive moral agenda. The Christianists plan to destroy the system of checks and balances in the Constitution, and they plan to do this in the name of Christianity. The establishment of a state religion is critical to this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/8/15142/4388