Christmas Morning Picture of Burke and JB...

[JMO8778]

That is the truth..Do you remember the LKL interview with Steve Thomas Where forgivness was brought up and John was literally yelling that is not true that is not true? I felt an icy chill and thought right there, they will never acnowledge the truth or take accountibility. I was totally speechless! disturbing is the understatement of the decade! For those of you who in their hearts think they are innocent, so be it. Ill leave judgement to God.

that was a weird answer,for sure.I would expect someone innocent would say something like 'well,that doesn't apply to us...b/c we didn't do it'.
instead he says just the opposite.it reminds me of Patsy's answer to q's about JR molesting JB...she says she'd thought about that....WHAT????
My answer to that would be 'hell NO,my husb. would never even consider doing that !!'

..as far as JR saying that Jesus didn't have his executors repent,he forgave them anyway...Jesus said "forgive them,for they know not what they do.''
JR and PR both knew what they did was wrong.even if it was an accident,they have still lied and publicly betrayed JB for 10 1/2 yrs now..that does not fall under the same catagory as "forgive them,for they know not what they do".They DO know what they're doing is/was wrong.Sorry Charlie...only real tuna gets to be Starkist.

 

[BOESP]

I think it was SD who mentioned that he could have been a situational abuser,and not a pedo per se.that's different from someone who goes after only kids.

Who is "SD?" :blushing:

 

[DeeDee249]

I'm still on the fence concerning the incest and leaning toward John not being involved in that. John was into extramarital dalliances and that suggests to me he wasn't interested in little girls. Pedophiles usually have a very low self-esteem, and have little useful skills for interacting with adult women. Of course, there are always exceptions to the guidelines but I just don't think John was guilty of incest -- he doesn't fit the profile for that. Also, the trauma described in the autopsy doesn't suggest pedophile abuse by an adult male -- I don't want to get graphic but damage to little girls who are sexually abused by adult males leave little or no doubt about what was going on. In JonBenet's case, the experts seem to agree something was happening but couldn't settle on exactly what.

Phewww, I'm getting long-winded .... :crazy:

With stranger/intruder pedophile abuse, there would be full penetration/sexual intercourse. And more damage to JBR's vaginal area than was seen. But the coroner noted the erosion and brusing and said it was consistant with DIGITAL penetration. This is exactly the type of abuse that a family member or someone close to the child would start with. A stranger pedophile would rape a child as soon as he had the child under his control. But someone who KNEW the child and had repeated access to the child would start out with a much less violent penetration. To me, this points EXACTLY to a parent close relative.

 

[BBB167893]

Who is "SD?"

He, SD, is me! See?

I think it was SD who mentioned that he could have been a situational abuser,and not a pedo per se.that's different from someone who goes after only kids.

Yes, a true pedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children. A situational is one who turns to a child for sexual favors for whatever reasons.

 

[coloradokares]

Who is "SD?" :blushing:

That would be our Super Dave . One of the good guys wears a white hat.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, thank you.

 

[BOESP]

He, SD, is me! See?



Yes, a true pedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children. A situational is one who turns to a child for sexual favors for whatever reasons.

Sorry, I'm not good with initials. :crazy:

It may have been situational but I think there are better candidates than John.

SuperDave, do you have any ideas about why JonBenet didn't report the abuse to her mother (or maybe she did report it)? Patsy was adamant in one of her interviews in stating JonBenet had been taught to never let anyone touch her.

 

[DeeDee249]

There are lots of reasons abused kids don't tell their mothers. Fear, and being threatened work well. This was a 6-year old. Of course, fear of harm to herself and pets, etc would work. 6-year old girls are pretty easy to intimidate.
We also don't know for sure whether she DID tell her mother. There are plenty of cases (one that I know of personally) where mothers either ignore, punish, or scoff at such things.
Sometimes the abuser IS the mother.

 

[BOESP]

There are lots of reasons abused kids don't tell their mothers. Fear, and being threatened work well. This was a 6-year old. Of course, fear of harm to herself and pets, etc would work. 6-year old girls are pretty easy to intimidate.
We also don't know for sure whether she DID tell her mother. There are plenty of cases (one that I know of personally) where mothers either ignore, punish, or scoff at such things.
Sometimes the abuser IS the mother.

I understand the reasons why they often don't tell. I just think John is not the guilty party here. :twocents:

 

[JMO8778]

With stranger/intruder pedophile abuse, there would be full penetration/sexual intercourse. And more damage to JBR's vaginal area than was seen. But the coroner noted the erosion and brusing and said it was consistant with DIGITAL penetration. This is exactly the type of abuse that a family member or someone close to the child would start with. A stranger pedophile would rape a child as soon as he had the child under his control. But someone who KNEW the child and had repeated access to the child would start out with a much less violent penetration. To me, this points EXACTLY to a parent close relative.

I think so,too.
I think the R's have been greatly underestimated.

 

[BOESP]

I think so,too.
I think the R's have been greatly underestimated.

JMO, do you recall the blanket/bedspread that was stuffed in the suitcase found below the basement window? Was it off John Andrew's bed?

 

[JMO8778]

JMO, do you recall the blanket/bedspread that was stuffed in the suitcase found below the basement window? Was it off John Andrew's bed?

it was said to be a blanket,I don't know if it was from JAR's bed or not.

 

[BBB167893]

SuperDave, do you have any ideas about why JonBenet didn't report the abuse to her mother (or maybe she did report it)? Patsy was adamant in one of her interviews in stating JonBenet had been taught to never let anyone touch her.

Well, BOESP, if you know anything about rape cases, you'll know it's hard enough to get GROWN women to report this kind of stuff.

Wendy Murphy came through for me on this one. She called it Child Abuse Accomodation Syndrome, where it becomes part of normal life for the child.

 

[BOESP]

Well, BOESP, if you know anything about rape cases, you'll know it's hard enough to get GROWN women to report this kind of stuff.

Wendy Murphy came through for me on this one. She called it Child Abuse Accomodation Syndrome, where it becomes part of normal life for the child.

So, if I understand correctly, there is a line of thinking that maybe John was the abuser and Patsy was turning a blind eye?

I'm not sure I'd equate JonBenet telling her mother as the same thing as a woman not reporting it to authorities but I do understand what you are saying.

A final question if you have time -- if John was molesting JonBenet, do you think that had anything to do with her death or was the molestation unrelated to the death? TIA

 

[BOESP]

it was said to be a blanket,I don't know if it was from JAR's bed or not.

Thanks JMO. That is just an odd thing to have in a suitcase along with a child's storybook (if I remember correctly). I'm just still trying to figure out if the molestation is related to the killing or if it is a separate event. That suitcase and it's contents nags at me.

 

[BBB167893]

So, if I understand correctly, there is a line of thinking that maybe John was the abuser and Patsy was turning a blind eye?

I'm not sure I'd equate JonBenet telling her mother as the same thing as a woman not reporting it to authorities but I do understand what you are saying.

A final question if you have time -- if John was molesting JonBenet, do you think that had anything to do with her death or was the molestation unrelated to the death? TIA

Yes, there is that line of thinking. In fact, it tends to be the rule, not the exception. Ask Marilyn Van Derbur if you like.

As for it being related, depends on what I'm feeling that day. Sometimes I think that it was the catalyst: she told Mom, Mom went berserk and blamed her, etc.

 

[BOESP]

Yes, there is that line of thinking. In fact, it tends to be the rule, not the exception. Ask Marilyn Van Derbur if you like.

As for it being related, depends on what I'm feeling that day. Sometimes I think that it was the catalyst: she told Mom, Mom went berserk and blamed her, etc.

Thanks. I appreciate the response. I'm like you, I waffle from day to day on some of the details but I'm firmly convinced John and Patsy know what happened, how it happened, and why.

Interestingly, I have a close friend who is a regional director for child protective services. About two weeks after JonBenet died we were talking and I asked my friend what she thought happened. Without hesitation, she said (or words to this effect), "I'd bet the mother found the father playing around with the little girl and aimed at him and hit the child."

 

[BBB167893]

I have my days, BOESP. If I can't even sell myself on a scenario, what hope is there for a jury?

 

[BOESP]

I have my days, BOESP. If I can't even sell myself on a scenario, what hope is there for a jury?

I don't know. There are an awful lot of us "peers" out here that can see through all the smoke and mirrors blown and hung by the spin team. Hang in there. Just sleep on it. It will all fall into place one day.

 

[JMO8778]

Thanks JMO. That is just an odd thing to have in a suitcase along with a child's storybook (if I remember correctly). I'm just still trying to figure out if the molestation is related to the killing or if it is a separate event. That suitcase and it's contents nags at me.

me too,although I don't think JAR had anything to do w. her death.
what nags me the most is Mark Fuhrman's comment that it was no accident...that really,really nags me,kwim? I mean I just think he's smart enough and experienced enough to not be wrong about that.

He also believes it was an inside job.