Chuck and Judith Cox file for custody

[DLT88]

From the day Susan disappeared, he's used those boys for a shield..and every excuse possible that he could muster. imo

That is so true. And I remember hearing on that radio show that the night of the candlelight vigil for Susan soon after she 'disappeared' Josh came in the van and stood outside while the two little boys were inside the van with the door wide open without hats or mittens shivering and freezing AND hungry and he paid no mind. That's a father who cares about this children?? He just needs them for alibis.

 

[epiphany]

anyplace the Cox family can go to hide these boys?

What's the mystery behind the decision? What's so difficult? What am I missing here?

1. According to Asst AG, Josh may have known about his papa's criminal activities involving computers.

2. 15 computers have been removed from papa's home.

West Valley City police who reviewed seized videotapes and CDs, which were reportedly taken from Steven Powell’s bedroom during the Aug. 25 raid, "found thousands of images of females being videotaped without their knowledge, including Susan Powell. The photographer focuses on the women’s buttocks, breasts, and genital areas. Many images were of minor females," Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said in a statement released to The Associated Press.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52628210-78/powell-steven-west-susan.html.csp

3. Sons have been living with Josh and grandpa.

4. Mom went missing while dad and boys went on midnight below-zero camping trip.

Children have been removed from Mothers for much less. Give the Cox's custody. Not difficult decision. Outrageous.

 

[BeanE]

Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
This is a kinship placement. Custody decision still to be made.
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As indicated in court, legal counsel confirmed Powell kids were placed today with Susan's parents pending further court orders.
7 minutes ago

Before hearing ended, judge said state needs to take all steps necessary and if that creates split jurisdiction, are ways to deal with that.
3 hours ago

Did AG's office make that technical transfer of custody during break? May be the case. But 72-hour dependency hearing clock still ticking.
3 hours ago

Before first recess, judge wasn't sure she had jurisdiction since kids were in state care. When restarted, that was nonissue.
3 hours ago

 

[BeanE]

Updated 7 minutes ago

The spokeswoman for the state Children’s Administration said the children of Josh and Susan Powell have been placed with their maternal grandparents as confirmed by legal counsel in court Tuesday, where they will remain subject to future court orders. Custody of the children has not yet been determined.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52646871-78/powell-josh-steve-court.html.csp

 

[BeanE]

komonews komonews.com
UPDATE: The children of missing mother Susan Powell will spend the night with her father, Chuck Cox, investigators said.
1 hour ago

 

[BeanE]

JakeMilstein Jake Milstein
Gary Horcher just talked to Chuck Cox. Cox says he does NOT have his grandsons.
59 minutes ago

 

[Kimster]

What a reunion that must be! I pray they have the best evening EVER! I wonder if Grandpa and Grandma have been saving birthday presents for them and stuff? New toys always made me forgot my problems at that age. :lol:

 

[BeanE]

drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
CONFIRMED: Josh Powell's two sons will likely be spending the night with their grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox. The custody is temporary.
1 hour ago

 

[gitana1]

I am not so sure I like that... only if they keep them there tomorrow... if they let them spend one night there and then take them away.... omg.

I hope they have already been thoroughly questioned....

I'm okay with it. It's not like the Coxes are going to be saying, "Guess what, you're going to be living here now." I believe they will not say much until they know for sure. Instead, I think it will be treated like a long overdue visit.

JP has kept those kids way from their mom's parents, their grandparents, for no reason. The kids and the grandparents deserve and need to have a connection. If this is nothing more than an overnight visit, it will still go a long ways toward chipping away at any attempts to alienate those boys from Susan's parents. They will spend time with the grandparents, see how loving they are, that their needs are met over there, they are cared for, etc., and that can only be a good thing. Foster care should only be used if there is absolutely no other choice, IMO.

What's the mystery behind the decision? What's so difficult? What am I missing here?

1. According to Asst AG, Josh may have known about his papa's criminal activities involving computers.

2. 15 computers have been removed from papa's home.

West Valley City police who reviewed seized videotapes and CDs, which were reportedly taken from Steven Powell’s bedroom during the Aug. 25 raid, "found thousands of images of females being videotaped without their knowledge, including Susan Powell. The photographer focuses on the women’s buttocks, breasts, and genital areas. Many images were of minor females," Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said in a statement released to The Associated Press.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52628210-78/powell-steven-west-susan.html.csp

3. Sons have been living with Josh and grandpa.

4. Mom went missing while dad and boys went on midnight below-zero camping trip.

Children have been removed from Mothers for much less. Give the Cox's custody. Not difficult decision. Outrageous.

It seems easy but it's not. Parental rights are constitutionally protected. They are very hard to shake. There has been no showing that the kids have been subjected to abuse or neglect or exposed to of any kind.

There is no open criminal case against JP - no charges. His dad is not home (as far as I know at this point) and JP argues that he will find adequate housing elsewhere, if he is released.

We all know that JP is a suspect, likely a murderer and does not care for his kids, except as a shield, or a tool or as property to be owned. But the court has to tread lightly and carefully so it is not appealed. They have to have hard facts that the children were placed at risk and will continue to be placed at risk in dad's care, in order to remove them from his custody for the long term and place them in a non-parent's care.

But right now I feel the Coxes' chances are very good. The kids were in a home where there was child and the dad is being investigated to see if he had a role in it as well. That's why the kids were taken in the first place.

Other facts that should weigh in the Coxes' favor include the fact that JP has not shown that he has the means to care for them apart from his father, that he acted bizarrely in endangering them when his wife went missing and that he is likely the number one suspect in her disappearance. The likelihood that the boys could be at grave risk as this investigation heats up should weigh in their favor as well.

Unfortunately, I didn't hear any of the other facts I listed above, stated at the hearing. But, I just read the tweets and hope there was more said. Because merely saying they think he had something to do with Susan's disappearance and that he hasn't looked for her - that's not enough. I would have highlighted his bizarre behavior, that he must have known what daddy was up to, I would have hauled in neighbors who saw him and SP at the park taking photos of other kids, I would have described his neglect of them at the vigil, his endangering behavior taking two toddlers camping during a snowstorm at midnight and how instead of concentrating on getting his kids back, he was rushing into court to get the rights to smear his missing wife's name.

I wanted to hear succinct and strong reasoning from the Coxes' attorney and the tweets did not reflect that.

But, I still have hope. The judge must know the risk the boys are in, even if she can't really say it out loud. But if she knows, she'll find a way to keep them away from their dad. Fingers crossed.

 

[ynotdivein]

A JP arrest tonight or tomorrow would go a long way toward solving any dilemma the judge might be facing, wouldn't it?

And it would be much less traumatic for the boys if such an arrest happened while they were enjoying a happy visit with Gramma and Grampa Cox. Much better for them than being whisked away in another Sheriff's vehicle as their father was being hauled off in cuffs.

 

[Melanie]

Updated 7 minutes ago

The spokeswoman for the state Children’s Administration said the children of Josh and Susan Powell have been placed with their maternal grandparents as confirmed by legal counsel in court Tuesday, where they will remain subject to future court orders. Custody of the children has not yet been determined.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52646871-78/powell-josh-steve-court.html.csp

I am SO pleased. I also feel that whatever feelings set JP off to make Susan disappear will rise to the surface. He has got to be absolutely fuming. I hope in doing so he will slip up and we'll find out what happened to Susan.

I imagine JP is having the biggest tantrum right now - knowing the Cox's have "his boys".

Daddy's in jail
Josh has no children, no income, and what could soon be no home.

Maybe he should have thought out the consequences before he decided to kill and dump his wife (IMHO).

Please excuse the huge smile on my face!

:great:

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Very well said, gitana1. People are often a bit quick to direct their indignation to the legal system (or its participants). I've learned over many years of ...participating, that most of the time, those involved want to do the right thing. When they take their time and dot all the i's and cross all the t's, that helps ensure that the right thing sticks. Taking two young children away from a father who has not been convicted (or even charged) with a crime and has not been legally demonstrated to have had any involvement in any wrongdoing... is a very very serious matter. I could cite to you many situations where it has been done unfairly and unjustly, and you would be horrified. That's why the protections are there for parents. The fact that Joshy boy doesn't deserve them doesn't automatically take them away. If you can't understand that everyone has equal rights in this country...then I'm afraid nothing anyone can say will help you much.

Sorry to vent. I hear a lot of this kind of thing.... It gets tiresome.

 

[Melanie]

A JP arrest tonight or tomorrow would go a long way toward solving any dilemma the judge might be facing, wouldn't it?

And it would be much less traumatic for the boys if such an arrest happened while they were enjoying a happy visit with Gramma and Grampa Cox. Much better for them than being whisked away in another Sheriff's vehicle as their father was being hauled off in cuffs.

I know! I feel so bad for them -- first their mother disappears, then grandpa is arrested, and they're moved to a temporary home, and now back to the Cox's. Their heads must be spinning

It's sad that they have to be collateral damage in what JP and possible SP did to Susan

MOO

Mel

 

[Just-a-Guy]

I know! I feel so bad for them -- first their mother disappears, then grandpa is arrested, and they're moved to a temporary home, and now back to the Cox's. Their heads must be spinning

It's sad that they have to be collateral damage in what JP and possible SP did to Susan

MOO

Mel

Even with the best possible outcome, it will take years and years to get them straightened out...at best.

 

[tiredblondy]

I have no idea where I read this and cannot provide a link but I remember reading somewhere that they both were observed taking pictures at one of the parks?

 

[MissJames]

drewmikk Drew Mikkelsen
CONFIRMED: Josh Powell's two sons will likely be spending the night with their grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox. The custody is temporary.
1 hour ago

If I'm understanding this , the kids are still under DSS custody,but the Cox's will be able to keep them (in place of a foster home) until custody is decided.

That's quite common when kids come into foster care ,if they have family willing or asking to take them,it's preferred,as long as the home is stable.
As a foster parent, my experience was never "we're coming for the kids .Have them ready in ten minutes".
We had our own schedules,also,like school pickup,dr appts ,committments ,etc....so we were always given a days notice to pack up,make bottles rearrange our schedule,etc. Foster Parents are people too !:woohoo:

I'm happy for the Cox's and the boys .I hope they are together for a very long time.


The judge must also be hoping for more clarification or direction from LE on JP by tomorrow. We are in good company !

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Just looking at that guy gives me the heebie-jeebies. What a creep.

Plus, he doesn't even have enough sense to wear a proper jacket to court. Maybe he's thinking, why waste the money, you can't wear a nice jacket in prison anyway. Hm. Maybe he's not so dumb after all.

Still a freakin' creep, tho.

BBM: I totally agree ... he reminds me so much of Scott Peterson ... :sick:

MOO ...

 

[Just-a-Guy]

BBM: I totally agree ... he reminds me so much of Scott Peterson ... :sick:

MOO ...

You know, I hadn't thought of that. But now that you mention, yeah. Dead on. That same pale creepy lost-in-himself slightly-off look....

 

[MissJames]

Even with the best possible outcome, it will take years and years to get them straightened out...at best.

But at least they'll have chance now. Assuming JP doesn't get them back.
LE has something they're just fleshing out ,on Josh and I just know they do not want those boys to go back to that home. I bet they work overtime tonight to make that happen.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

You know, I hadn't thought of that. But now that you mention, yeah. Dead on. That same pale creepy lost-in-himself slightly-off look....

BBM: Exactly ...

I remember the first time I saw on the news that Susan was missing, and the first interview I saw with Josh my "radar" went off !

And I kept thinking to myself he reminds me of "someone" -- and then it hit me -- Scott Peterson ... that "same look" ... you could just "tell" they were "hiding something" ...

And also the fact that neither JP or Scott searched for their "missing" wives ...

MOO ...