Cindy Anthony subpoenaed to appear in court

[miss plum]

I know, and I hope the defense adequately researched the various possibilities there. I've been concerned all along that maybe they haven't. Her family all seemed to take for granted that everything she says is like a puzzle that you have to try to solve, that she doesn't make sense. That was always a big clue to me that they know her to be someone with some type of confused or impaired thinking. (Although by all reports the family and friends never thought she could or would ever hurt Caylee in any way, there was no history of any violence.)

I sure hope the defense researched:

for example, questions regarding her mental state at that time, (also past and even to present.) How aware was she, does she have schizophrenic or manic episodes, was this her first onset/first major episode, does she have any brain or memory disorder, does she have a sleep disorder or suffer from periods of delirium for any reason, etc

not to mention questions of whether her awareness was impaired during that time frame by anything else like drug use, could she have started using something, or could she even have been drugged by someone else, or could she have been in a traumatized state, etc

Also, what if she originally thought a friend or potentially even a family member had Caylee, at what point did she realize that person didn't have Caylee or that the situation appeared to be serious, was she too afraid at that stage to admit to her family or authorities what was going on? Or could her mind not even begin to handle such a situation, just totally incapable? Did she just retreat into this apparent la-la land in her mind? Or did she not realize the actual situation until she was confronted, and then admitted "I haven't seen her for 31 days".

excuse me rambling NTS, my own tired brain is having trouble phrasing my thoughts here, must go to bed! Have a great night everyone

BBM

Or...what if her family have been taking it for granted, based on the evidence, that she is a calculating, lying murderer and have been trying to work around that to save her from getting the death penalty? Just because they won't admit they think something doesn't mean they don't think it, they are literally world-famous for being reluctant to admit things!

 

[Turnadot]

Guys, what if aliens from the planet Zyquizkl kidnapped Caylee and KC just doesn't remember because she was probed and has a metal rod inserted inside her, which forces everything that comes out of her mouth to be a lie? Also it's possible the Zyquizkl's planted the human decomp in KC's trunk along with the hair that has the death band.

 

[Jomo]

I put these questions in the prosecution 911 call thread but they really should go here (sorry)

Does anyone here think that CA will pull a sicky and not show up at the last minute?

Or perhaps collaps in the hallway or check herself in to a hospital claiming mental exhaustion or something like that?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

CA will show up, Jomo...she has to get her words turned around, don't you know!

CA can't wait to get on the stand to see if she can "fix" this problem for ICA. She will vehemently deny the smell from the car had anything to do with a dead body but she thought this her only option to get police to her home in a hurry. She will hold on to that until the day she dies, IMO...in her mind, a liar does not a murderer make! She can't get past the fact it is her own flesh and blood who took away her sunshine. In my gut, I feel CA truly knows the truth but for appearances sake, the united front, family unity must hold true..

CA truly believes ICA will be acquitted and will come home. Since ICA has never confessed, since LE could not get her to confess, She is truly as disturbed as her child. JMHO


Justice for Caylee

 

[Mamabear1963]

Guys, what if aliens from the planet Zyquizkl kidnapped Caylee and KC just doesn't remember because she was probed and has a metal rod inserted inside her, which forces everything that comes out of her mouth to be a lie? Also it's possible the Zyquizkl's planted the human decomp in KC's trunk along with the hair that has the death band.

Wow!!! Get this to the defense right away...we finally solved the mystery!!!!

{biting tongue in cheek}

 

[strawberry]

Just watched the clip above, YM was still pretty patient in this one. This must have been before he grabbed her arms etc

At times she wandered off track, no doubt partly due to the exhaustion, but obviously because some theories were just too unbearable to continue to discuss... Like when she was talking about the trunk smell or how she couldn't imagine Caylee's body having been in the trunk, then she suddenly wanders off onto "we've had that car since...first, my husband owned that car, then Lee had it...." etc etc. It's totally understandable. How long could any person continue to discuss the theory of their grandchild's body having been in a car trunk? But certainly, all the A's definitely mentioned how bad the car smell was, as seen there in that clip

Seagull, I think you're mixing up two different interviews. The one where YM holds her hands is upthread somewhere I think. That's when his partner has the big calendar and CA is going on about Amy or Jesse is really Zanny. The clip above is her FBI interview where she is complaining about the poor job she thinks local LE is doing.

 

[nyvictoria]

I put these questions in the prosecution 911 call thread but they really should go here (sorry)

Does anyone here think that CA will pull a sicky and not show up at the last minute?

Or perhaps collaps in the hallway or check herself in to a hospital claiming mental exhaustion or something like that?

I thought about her playing sick but quickly dismissed the idea. I think Cindy is excited to be going to court to tell "the truth". She can't wait to set everyone straight about that phone call. The prosecution, the judge, the public and her murdering daughter will all hear "the facts" as told by Cindy Anthony. The State will then have no choice but to drop all charges against poor Casey, who has been mercilessly, wrongly accused from day 31.

 

[LambChop]

CA says LE did not break KC because there is nothing to tell. There's a child who is dead and the only person who knows what happen to her is not talking. It's not as if the child is capable of moving out or running off with her friends. It's a wonder Yuri did not slap CA and tell her to "snap out of it!!!!" He does have the patience of a saint. jmo

ETA: Now if CA does not show up for court on Thursday would they just go ahead and use the 911 tape rather than reschedule for the 911 call? It appears CA's voice on the call is proof enough CA was extremely upset.

 

[jon_burrows]

Oh, I'm having a bad case of deja vu. I remember the talk early on about Casey handing Caylee over to someone, but then not remembering who. This makes my head hurt.

I think that was one of LP's theories along with Caylee choking on a candy bar, rolling off a balcony, etc.

IMO

 

[strawberry]

I can't remember who GA told, but he said it was Jesse Grund and I believe Tony L. I'm not sure about the latter, but I am sure about JG. Hopefully someone can help me out about the additional details.

Oh...and by surveillance, he meant driving by their homes repeatedly.

I'm thinking the same thing. I think it may have been in his State deposition. IIRC. Not sure though but I remember him being asked this by someone.

 

[Marina2]

I know, and I hope the defense adequately researched the various possibilities there. I've been concerned all along that maybe they haven't. Her family all seemed to take for granted that everything she says is like a puzzle that you have to try to solve, that she doesn't make sense. That was always a big clue to me that they know her to be someone with some type of confused or impaired thinking. (Although by all reports the family and friends never thought she could or would ever hurt Caylee in any way, there was no history of any violence.)

I sure hope the defense researched:

for example, questions regarding her mental state at that time, (also past and even to present.) How aware was she, does she have schizophrenic or manic episodes, was this her first onset/first major episode, does she have any brain or memory disorder, does she have a sleep disorder or suffer from periods of delirium for any reason, etc

not to mention questions of whether her awareness was impaired during that time frame by anything else like drug use, could she have started using something, or could she even have been drugged by someone else, or could she have been in a traumatized state, etc

Also, what if she originally thought a friend or potentially even a family member had Caylee, at what point did she realize that person didn't have Caylee or that the situation appeared to be serious, was she too afraid at that stage to admit to her family or authorities what was going on? Or could her mind not even begin to handle such a situation, just totally incapable? Did she just retreat into this apparent la-la land in her mind? Or did she not realize the actual situation until she was confronted, and then admitted "I haven't seen her for 31 days".

excuse me rambling NTS, my own tired brain is having trouble phrasing my thoughts here, must go to bed! Have a great night everyone

Cue Twilight Zone theme song...

You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into the wondrous land whose boundaries are that of the imagination...

Seriously though, KC is very hard to defend. Seagull, you can bet that the defense would've gone this route if they could have.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I know, and I hope the defense adequately researched the various possibilities there. I've been concerned all along that maybe they haven't. Her family all seemed to take for granted that everything she says is like a puzzle that you have to try to solve, that she doesn't make sense. That was always a big clue to me that they know her to be someone with some type of confused or impaired thinking. (Although by all reports the family and friends never thought she could or would ever hurt Caylee in any way, there was no history of any violence.)
End quote.

They know she is a compulsive liar. She lies unnecessarily and that is what doesn't make sense.
She is not confused or impaired. She knows right from wrong and that's all that counts.
You do not know whether she ever hurt Caylee prior to murdering her- if she was using drugs to make her sleep so she could party uninterrupted then that is a form of violence.

 

[chefmom]

Guys, what if aliens from the planet Zyquizkl kidnapped Caylee and KC just doesn't remember because she was probed and has a metal rod inserted inside her, which forces everything that comes out of her mouth to be a lie? Also it's possible the Zyquizkl's planted the human decomp in KC's trunk along with the hair that has the death band.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Well, if "they" can't figure it out, ICA did, in her own writting, words...JMHO

In the released letters, Anthony addressed the alleged nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez.

Anthony initially told investigators she had left her daughter with Gonzalez, or "Zanny the nanny."

"You want to know something, I know that Caylee's nanny, the 'real' Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for four years, I know in my heart that she's not responsible," Anthony wrote. "I don't blame her for not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn't do?

Adams, however, told investigators that Anthony told her in person that Zenaida never existed, creating a contradiction between the letters and the inmate interviews.

Anthony's letters also detail plans that were supposedly only known to her and her legal team.

"I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zanny wouldn't tell me where she and Cays were," Anthony wrote. "I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together -- money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That's why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn't."

Anthony's letters also express regret.

"I would give anything to go back to that day and to not have let Caylee out of my sight," Anthony wrote.

Krystal Holloway -- also known as "River Cruz" -- also told detectives that George Anthony said he knows Zenaida Gonzalez does not exist. Holloway also has a criminal record.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23064461/detail.html

At every turn, ICA contradicts herself, yet we are to believe she had nothing to do with Caylee's demise???

After the last known video of a live Caylee, taken at the nursing home with her greatgrandfather on June 15, 2008...(after erroneously stateing that June 9th was the last time Caylee was seen), June 16th, is the last date that Caylee was "seen" by ICA alive and well...it's been investigated...I don't understand why others are looking for that little miracle that would exonerate ICA! JMHO


Further proof.....

"I don't know one single mom who doesn't try to get their freedom, regardless of how old they are," Anthony wrote. "That's one of the things that truly cuts me when I hear them talk about me as a mother."

When writing to Adams, Anthony insisted that despite criticism for partying or yearning for independence, she was a good mother to Caylee.

"I was a great mom!" she insisted. "I love my daughter with everything I have. I would give my life to have her back, even for five minutes."

Anthony also told Adams she still speaks to Caylee every day.

"When I tell Cays how much I love her, I've always ended it with 'forever and always.' I still do it to this day. I talk to her throughout the day, as I do daddy, and it brings a sense of peace to my heart," Anthony wrote.

Derkovic also told investigators that Anthony talked about balancing her dreams with being a single mother.

According to Derkovic, Anthony talked about writing a book or movie script, but the only time she mentioned her daughter was to complain about how Caylee interfered with having a boyfriend and partying.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23064461/detail.html

Freedom from parental incubrances is one of the reasons WHY Caylee's demise came to be...the other one seems to have come out of Greatgrandma Pleasea's mouth..."Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee!....that you can bank on! JMHO



Justice for Caylee

 

[Turnadot]

Wow!!! Get this to the defense right away...we finally solved the mystery!!!!

{biting tongue in cheek}

Lookie here, it may look bad for KC now; decomp in her trunk, hair with death band, partying, career liar. But it can't possibly be that the evidence points to her because she's a killer. If LE and the State would stop their useless gathering and testing evidence and instead got themselves 1,000 pie pans, and a huge light to lure the Zyquizkl's back, this matter would be cleared up.

*x-files theme*

On a serious note, that's what I feel like I'm hearing sometimes when the A's talk.

 

[strawberry]

I can't remember who GA told, but he said it was Jesse Grund and I believe Tony L. I'm not sure about the latter, but I am sure about JG. Hopefully someone can help me out about the additional details.

Oh...and by surveillance, he meant driving by their homes repeatedly.

Pshwew I found it.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

Page 281 Line 18 through 282, Line 20.

"I'm referring to Jesse Grund, Tony Lazzaro, Richard Morales. I never followed Amy around, even though I wanted to."

 

[CuriousTwo]

LOL
of course there's been so much criticism of the way she talked on and on with the officers. But (if I'm thinking of the same interview) it appeared that she thought the detectives were genuinely asking her to try to work on a timeline with them, they hadn't asked for a simple statement. She appeared to be trying hard to recall any/every little shred of information about the timeline and share it with them in case it could lead to Caylee. I think she thought if they went over all of Casey's cryptic stories somehow they were going to figure out what friend or babysitter really had Caylee and Caylee was going to be brought home safely to them. I can't imagine how worried and exhausted she must have been at that time. I think the one officer seemed genuine about collecting the info in case it could be helpful in finding Caylee. He did seem kind and patient also

I feel very bad for Cindy. I think being questioned in court is going to be agony for her, of course it can't be avoided, but it's just such a sad process to see. I don't know how she has survived all this. Very sad, needless to say.

If so, that's very unfortunate ... she, through her enabling and codependency, created that form of communication with ICA. The mind games, codes, "half truths," "mis-statements," etc. Had she been forthright and truthful with LE from the beginning, this exercise wouldn't have been necessary. You don't get several tries to be truthful - either you are or you're not. And, if you're not, you're not credible, and LE has to turn to credible sources who are willing to help and not hinder. LE gave her far more compassion and understanding than she deserved. IMHO.

 

[chefmom]

Lookie here, it may look bad for KC now; decomp in her trunk, hair with death band, partying, career liar. But it can't possibly be that the evidence points to her because she's a killer. If LE and the State would stop their useless gathering and testing evidence and instead got themselves 1,000 pie pans, and a huge light to lure the Zyquizkl's back, this matter would be cleared up.

*x-files theme*

On a serious note, that's what I feel like I'm hearing sometimes when the A's talk.

Lol, Turnadot! That's just too funny! The sad thing is, that is exactly what the defense seems to be doing. You have LE standing there with this mountain of evidence, some forensic, some circumstantial, some just good old fashion common sense; and then you have JB and the defense over to the side going "Yoohooo! Look over here! A bunny rabbit! Ahhhh!" (Picture JB making hand-puppets in the light!) JMO

 

[Patriciao]

So GA, and CA are admitting that there was a body in the car then. Those statements prove to me there was no mistake when both GA, and CA said, the car smelled like decomposition. They both acknowledge there was a dead body in the trunk of KC's car.

When CA is being interviewed and they talk about the dead body smell CA says that it didn't smell like a burned body. She would not admit that it smelled like a dead body but instead stated it didn't smell like a burned body. This was her way of manipulating the conversation to avoid answering a question directly. Cindy is in a huge state of denial. Her subconscious knows the truth but accepting the facts is so horrific for her that she is in full denial mode to protect her sanity. I truly believe Cindy loved Caylee and never thought that Casey was capable of hurting her daughter. Casey had no record of abuse to Caylee. I think Casey acted in anger and the duct tape was an angry response that went horribly wrong.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Well, when I look at the way she was raised, it does not surprise me that she did not follow the proper protocol and call 911 as Ca did.IMO I don't really think it has been established when Kc realized that Caylee was missing. IMO I don't believe she ever did. IMO If the state has proof that Kc killed her daughter a month earlier, then all this is mute. IMO I just do not believe they have proof. IMO I think the jury will find out how Kc was raised and how she lived her life, and have a much better understanding as to why she did not call 911. IMO

When protesters started hurling things at the house she had no hesitation in calling 911.

KC knew Caylee was not missing, but dead. She reluctantly spoke to the 911 operator that CA called- she had no sense of urgency regarding the 'kidnapped child'- no anxiety such as you would expect from the Mother of the Year.
She did not keep calm in order to tell LE what had happened, she promptly lied and led them on a wild goose chase.