State releases Subpoena List, includes LA,CA and GA

[mitzi]

Paintr...tried to add a smiley to my post above, but edit doesn't allow it.
:blowkiss:

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm just curious if you believe her changing "It smells like there's been a dead body in the d@%$ car. Something's wrong!"
TO
"There was a box of old pizza rotting in there for amount of days, it stunk so bad and there were maggots and everything......" is really telling the truth?

That's the one that pops into my head first and foremost when it comes to CA's 'truthfulness'.

I can't count the other 'mistruth's' or 'half truth's' that have come directly from her mouth. Do you think none of these ?'s will come up in court on the witness stand? Specifically, about the 'nanny' she never met or spoke to even once in all those years?

Just curious!

It doesn't matter in the least if Cindy was able to convince herself that the car smelled like pizza rather than decomp. I doubt that her beliefs will override the results of the body lab testing.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Respectfully bolded by me



Chilly, you sly thing! :laugh: That bolded portion above is your subtle "escape clause" for dismissing Cindy's past blatant untruths. Right? 'Cause without that clause your last sentence would state that Cindy "will answer truthfully, as she has all along." :banghead: :blowkiss:

LOL...kudos to you, Friday, you caught me.

However, I really don't see blatant mistruths on Cindy's part, at least nothing that will affect the case against her daughter. I doubt the SA is going to toss aside the results of the forensic testing simply because Cindy disagrees with it.

 

[Nosey Parker]

So many crazy ideas rushed through my head when I imagined the A's testimonies. The first one being - getting CA through the oath taking.

Clerk: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
CA: Just a minute, Judge. When I accepted the subpoena to testify, I didn't realise I would have to tell the whole truth. Nobody told me that. This is just another attempt by Melich and Allan to trap my innocent daughter.

... and so the testimony begins.

 

[chelle70]

You are right! Hopefully, CA will survive through her deposition with Morgan, if need be, SA can use that depo if she doesn't "make it" to October! :crazy:

Yeah, I don't expect the state would call Cindy to the stand. Because, in the words of prosecutor Pam B. on HLN, she's a "loose cannon". So the SA will probably just go with her depo statements, if those have any merit. :crazy:

 

[whiteangora]

Ok, I will try this one more time. :banghead:
The trial will be televised, we have been told it will last more than a month.
My scenerio, George and Cindy do not get called to the stand until 10 days into the trial. They are not allowed inside the courtroom before they testify.
Where are they for the 10 days of trial before they have to testify?
I would think they would be at home, watching the trial on tv, this is the part I'm not getting.......they aren't supposed to know what the other witnesses are testifying at trial.
If a judge told them not to watch tv or read news reports before their testimony would they comply?

 

[natsound]

I don't understand why the state hopes to get out of CA and GA that they never met nor heard of Zenaida FG. They've already admitted such in their police interviews. If these are not admissible in court, why not? I've never understood why sometimes the most revealing evidence is not admissible in court for one reason or another.

 

[natsound]

I think Cindy will do just fine. The prosecution will be gentle with her because she is the victim's grandmother and the defendant's mother. They don't want to lose the jury's sympathy by brow-beating grandma. I don't know where people are getting the idea that the SA would subpoena a witness and then beat them up on the stand. :doh:

I think it's a safe guess that BC is working with her on limiting her responses to the question asked - tell the truth and say no more than necessary to answer the question.

I agree with everything above, except "Cindy will do just fine". Historically, she hasn't done well when she's asked questions about the case... she does a lot of talking in circles and discusses the unbelievable as if she believes it. Lee was the same way in his depo.

 

[countzero]

Ok, I will try this one more time. :banghead:
The trial will be televised, we have been told it will last more than a month.
My scenerio, George and Cindy do not get called to the stand until 10 days into the trial. They are not allowed inside the courtroom before they testify.
Where are they for the 10 days of trial before they have to testify?
I would think they would be at home, watching the trial on tv, this is the part I'm not getting.......they aren't supposed to know what the other witnesses are testifying at trial.
If a judge told them not to watch tv or read news reports before their testimony would they comply?

I would suspect that BC will keep them in his office during the day and remove all media from the home in the evening hours. Just a guess.

 

[Carrington]

Ok, I will try this one more time. :banghead:
The trial will be televised, we have been told it will last more than a month.
My scenerio, George and Cindy do not get called to the stand until 10 days into the trial. They are not allowed inside the courtroom before they testify.
Where are they for the 10 days of trial before they have to testify?
I would think they would be at home, watching the trial on tv, this is the part I'm not getting.......they aren't supposed to know what the other witnesses are testifying at trial.
If a judge told them not to watch tv or read news reports before their testimony would they comply?

In all honesty, I would be glued to the TV.
IMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

This is probably a really stupid question but if Judge Strickland agrees to a change of venue does that mean the judge overseeing the trial will change as well? I'm pretty sure that's how it works I just really don't wanna see Strickland replaced

It will be the same judge and prosecutors. They will go to another county or they can pick a jury from another county and bus them in to their county.

 

[Bree0372]

I'm just curious if you believe her changing "It smells like there's been a dead body in the d@%$ car. Something's wrong!"
TO
"There was a box of old pizza rotting in there for amount of days, it stunk so bad and there were maggots and everything......" is really telling the truth?

That's the one that pops into my head first and foremost when it comes to CA's 'truthfulness'.

I can't count the other 'mistruth's' or 'half truth's' that have come directly from her mouth. Do you think none of these ?'s will come up in court on the witness stand? Specifically, about the 'nanny' she never met or spoke to even once in all those years?

Just curious!

Let's not forget "NO ODOR!! NO ODOR!!!" :doh:

In this state they are NOT allowed in the courtroom until both the SA and the defense is through with them. That is to keep them from being able to hear what someone else has said so they can say the same thing.

Does that mean that if the State reserves the right to recall them later, that they still can't sit in the jury room?

 

[amethyst221]

If they call CA at all, because they need really important factual information from her, they will no doubt be nice to her. She is the GM of Caylee and these SA's don't seem like the bombastic, yelling, rude types or like people who are lacking in judgement. That's usually more the function of the outraged defense. Trouble will start if she tries to change her previous, more spontaneous statements, which are more likely to be true, or to soft-peddle Casey's doings, or volunteer inflammatory stuff. IF she goes into combative mode, or gets really obstreporous, they will go after her to the degree they need to. That could be impeaching her with prior statements, etc. It doesn't have to be nasty, just what's necessary to get the job done. We'll see. Some people find excuses for everything she does, or are just fine with it, but (objectively) she is a person who could lose jury sympathy by her own behaviors.

 

[countzero]

Sorry, I didn't finish my last post, got interrupted.

CA/GA/LA will have to be called to testify at the onset of the trial to begin to lay the foundation of the SAs case against KC. The SA's, like us, are fully aware of CA's ability to "skim" the truth and will probably ask for her testimony in a yes/no format while beginning their foundation for the murder of Caylee.

Their deposition question/answers may show which questions the SA will ask. They will need CA to verify to include her testimony in court records that: she made the tape at the nursing home, she and GA retrieved the car from the tow yard, she cleaned the car, pants and clothing belonging to KC prior to notifying LE that there was a decomposing odor in the car, and that it was she who made the 911 calls stating that the "car smells like there's been a daxx dead body in it". No elaborate explanation from CA will be needed. Just a yes answer.

What JB and crew do with the answers at cross that CA/GA/LA give the SA is anyone's guess.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I think TonyL will be very valuable to the prosecution. On the day KC claims Caylee was "kidnapped" at JPB, or left at the Sawgrass apartment (whichever defense they go with), she was with TonyL the same night Caylee was allegedly "taken". He saw no difference in her state of mind being w/o Caylee or had any inclination something was amiss with her child. She continued on as if she never had a baby. That will be damaging by itself and add in the 31 days Caylee was "missing" and never called the authorites to report this...

CA will have to only answer the question posed to her, if she goes off on a tangent, it will be quickly stopped, that requires a yes or no answer, she will not be allowed to go into detail of her own opinions..

GA will also be a key witness, as he was for the grand jury. I think he was the most honest out of all of the Anthony's. He is very aware of loosing his daughter as he spoke of that in his interviews. He just didn't want to imagine he raised a child who would harm their own child.

LA, well, he'll just have that horrendous laugh when a question is posed to him. That IMO, is his deceitfulness, that irritable laugh. If he goes on to tell how he believes his sister to this day, he too will look like an idiot for he told everyone how much KC lies and steals.

I want justice for Caylee and the SA, LE/CSI/FBI will get that justice for Caylee w/o the help of any member of the Anthony family, which is my only comfort.

 

[amethyst221]

I don't understand why the state hopes to get out of CA and GA that they never met nor heard of Zenaida FG. They've already admitted such in their police interviews. If these are not admissible in court, why not? I've never understood why sometimes the most revealing evidence is not admissible in court for one reason or another.

There are tons of reasons why evidence doesn't come in in a particular instance, but as to their statements, the A's are alive and available to testify and the defense has a right to confront and cross-examine any witness. While no doubt the police will recount what they were told, and the prior statements may be used in the trial, that isn't enough. The defense wasn't present at the taking of the statements, etc.

 

[whiteangora]

Sorry, I didn't finish my last post, got interrupted.

CA/GA/LA will have to be called to testify at the onset of the trial to begin to lay the foundation of the SAs case against KC. The SA's, like us, are fully aware of CA's ability to "skim" the truth and will probably ask for her testimony in a yes/no format while beginning their foundation for the murder of Caylee.

Their deposition question/answers may show which questions the SA will ask. They will need CA to verify to include her testimony in court records that: she made the tape at the nursing home, she and GA retrieved the car from the tow yard, she cleaned the car, pants and clothing belonging to KC prior to notifying LE that there was a decomposing odor in the car, and that it was she who made the 911 calls stating that the "car smells like there's been a daxx dead body in it". No elaborate explanation from CA will be needed. Just a yes answer.

What JB and crew do with the answers at cross that CA/GA/LA give the SA is anyone's guess.

Thank you! So, if the A's are the first witnesses to be called my worries are over.

 

[Mendara]

I wonder if they ask CA if she smelled the scent of death in that car that day if she will say no and then they play the tape. That would warm me up inside.

 

[countzero]

I wonder if they ask CA if she smelled the scent of death in that car that day if she will say no and then they play the tape. That would warm me up inside.

I think many are forgetting that the A's have legal counsel, BC. He will coach them on exactly what to say and to say exactly what is in their depositions. In a way, I am glad the media has played a role in the early months of Caylee's disappearance because of all the coverage of CA/GA/LA in their version of talking heads, it will be extremely difficult for even BC to spin another version of the former versions :doh:. None of the A's can really stray far from what they have said on interviews or during the initial LE investigation.

Which is why BC was looking for immunity, limited as it may be.

Remember one cannot go around spouting that the sky is pink to every news outlet and to LE. Then at a legal proceeding turn around and say, I didn't say it was pink I said it had some pink in it, you weren't listening to me and you misunderstood what I was saying. I never said it was blue either.

 

[LeLe1953]

Respectfully bolded by me



Chilly, you sly thing! :laugh: That bolded portion above is your subtle "escape clause" for dismissing Cindy's past blatant untruths. Right? 'Cause without that clause your last sentence would state that Cindy "will answer truthfully, as she has all along." :banghead: :blowkiss:

No matter what, I do not think Cindy will ever be the one to answer any question that will put the final nail in her coffin. She loves her daughter, has lost her grand daughter & IMO will go to hell and back to "save" her. Cindy will take to her grave what she really knows.