Cindy Anthony subpoenaed to appear in court

[Nore]

I know that it has been stated that the likelihood of Cindy being held in contempt is slim to none, but if she gets up on that stand and lies or refuses to answer questions directly, she should be. It's enough. From the beginning, this whole family has spit in the face (figuratively) of LE and anyone who was there for Caylee. Can someone please direct me to a press conference where this family thanked the public and LE for everything they did? Not that I think LE and TES (even the public for that matter) need to hear praise...they'll keep on doing what they're doing regardless...but I would think that an acknowledgement on the As part has been a long time coming.

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RR0004,Thank you.Truer words were never spoken.

 

[The World According]

I know that it has been stated that the likelihood of Cindy being held in contempt is slim to none, but if she gets up on that stand and lies or refuses to answer questions directly, she should be. It's enough. From the beginning, this whole family has spit in the face (figuratively) of LE and anyone who was there for Caylee. Can someone please direct me to a press conference where this family thanked the public and LE for everything they did? Not that I think LE and TES (even the public for that matter) need to hear praise...they'll keep on doing what they're doing regardless...but I would think that an acknowledgement on the As part has been a long time coming.

RR, I searched my entire file, and sorry friend...I've got nothin'.
No public thank you. Indeed they literally let it be known that they did not want LE or TES at the funeral of the child they searched for so tirelessly and as you point out, thanklessly.

 

[Whome?]

IMO, the real value of the 911 tapes is that it allows the jury to hear how unemotional KC was when this all went down. CA's voice is stressed, strained, frantic, and tearful. The "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement is a red herring. The gold is in KC's voice as she talks to the operator.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Cat13067]

BBM..

It has been established, out of ICA's mouth, the date was June 16, 2008..that was the last time she "saw" Caylee.

Proof of when Caylee was murdered or proof of when she was thrown in her watery tomb? It will come down to the battle of the experts for the State will have his botanist, entomologist testify to their findings to say how long Caylee laid there! Also on the trunk decomp...Caylee allegedly laid there for 2.6 days..I believe the state will make their case better than the defense does.

That is where the mitigation specialist will chime in...ICA's rearing will come into play to get her a lighter sentence..well, to not get a sentence of death but possibly LWOP!

Justice for Caylee

You know it has always bothered me that KC told LE that the last time she saw Caylee was June 9th (which by the way is the date CA said, she last saw Caylee). Now here is the part that doesn't make sense. Why would KC not remember the exact date she last saw Caylee? I believe that CA came up with the date of June 9th, and after KC repeats that date to LE the 31 days don't add up to June 9th. KC took her mother's word that June 9th was the last day she saw Caylee, and she changes her story to match up with her mother's statement. BIG MISTAKE!!! Then up pops the video of Caylee, and her great grandfather at the nursing home on June 15th. Hustling to back peddle CA admits the last time she saw Caylee was June 15th only because there is video with a date stamp on the film, and the sign in sheet at the nursing home matches the film. Then when LA visits KC in jail he tells her she needs to write LE a letter in her own handwriting, and mail it to them directly that she made a mistake with the date of June 9th. KC says, yeah I know I'm going to do that. Again, why would KC say she hadn't seen Caylee since June 9th, and then insert she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days on July 15th. Sounds like there was some planning going on in the Ant's house to me, and Mama A was the screen writer.

 

[Blaise]

I respectfully disagree with most of this. Ca knew for several hours that the car smelled horrible.IMO Not an excited utterance at all in my opinion.

* The car smelled horrible for several hours, THEN
* Casey - 'Dear Mom -- I haven't seen Caylee for 31 days. The 'nanny' kidnapped her.'

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Cindy's realization that Caylee is gone + the smell in the car.

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Excited Utterance.

Blaise

 

[Cat13067]

Great post! I'm still waiting on Lee, though. I'd love to know what "he's done".

I believe LA knows everything. JMO

 

[Amil]

Cindy's behavior in 'defense' of Casey has always struck me as odd. Not odd as in a mother defending her daughter, but odd in the way she has gone about it. Cindy's actions have struck me as insincere, in a snotty, exaggerated, even sarcastic way.

Casey's lies are so flimsy and easy to disprove. Cindy's lies, 'in defense' of Casey, are the same. It's like they both don't even care what they say, because they intend to browbeat the recipient into accepting whatever they are told.

And then there is Lee. I'm still in his corner. I think he has broken away from the status quo. I'm hoping his 'CMA' was to make his mother and sister think he was still toeing the party line. I think (hope) he is going to come through for Caylee on Thursday.

This hearing can't get here soon enough for me.

It was Cindy that drew me into this case. Posing beside the baby's bed for People, being so darn defensive when her grandchild was "missing", speaking to the press coherently. I'm a grandma and I'd be comatose if these circumstances were mine. When I saw Cindy's affect and behavior on tv, I knew that baby was not kidnapped. No way!

 

[Cat13067]

* The car smelled horrible for several hours, THEN
* Casey - 'Dear Mom -- I haven't seen Caylee for 31 days. The 'nanny' kidnapped her.'

=

Cindy's realization that Caylee is gone + the smell in the car.

=

Excited Utterance.

Blaise

If we really rip KC statement apart about ZFG kidnapping Caylee why would KC's car smell like decompostion then? It makes no sense!!!!

 

[Cat13067]

If I were a juror that would be a big red flag that KC was lying about the kidnapping B.S. among the many other statements KC made. This girl is going down!!!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Thanks for the kind response IMO lol I have found that the IMO is the best way to move forward in these threads. And rightfully and respectfully so after each sentence. IMO I realize it butchers my text and takes away some of my ability to get the point across, but it is well worth it to move forward to get to the truth for Caylee. IMO

The problem I have is that Ca's tone and Kc's tone in the phone call do not in any way shape or form prove premeditated murder. IMO The state continues to come up with all these lies and demeaner, but not any real proof of premeditated murder. IMO It makes me wonder if they really do have a case here. IMO The states actions show me weakness in their case. IMO It is my opinion that the state is relying on one hair, a trace of butric acid, an unproven smell device, a questionable piece of tape and a whole sleugh of A family lies to prove premeditated murder. IMO I realize the case is highly circumstantial and based on Kc being a liar. IMO In this huge cloud of lies, the Jury will have to try to figure out what is true. IMO In the back of their minds they may wonder if the State really knows what has really happened here. IMO We have yet to hear the defense side of the story. IMO In my life, when I hear only one side of the story, I realize that I only have a half truth. IMO a half truth is no better than a lie. IMO I must hold out for the defense side to get to the whole truth for Caylee. IMO

BBM

Bold 1: such as...??? What "lies" has the State come out with? Which lie? And how is not a good thing for the State to lie, yet it's perfectly ok for Casey and Cindy to lie? Again, what lies has the State come out with? And what do you mean by their demeanor? You expected them to get down on one knee and hand her tea and krumpets after they traveled all the way through downtown Orlando with her at the helm?

Bold 2: Sure we have. The defense's side of the story is that someone else did it. They don't care who, just so long as it isn't Casey.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

You're right. But you know what it does show to any human being who has an ounce of feeling? KC was unconcerned about the safety of her toddler. Her monotone voice while telling 911 that it had been 31 days since she'd seen her child is extremely disturbing to me and other parents who've listened to it. I, a total stranger, have more emotion in my voice when I talk about Caylee.

Listen to Pam Wetterling when she talks about her son Jacob, after all these years, her voice still cracks and her eyes fill with tears. Every day she wakes up to the nightmare that her son is gone, and that's how parents of missing children always describe it: a nightmare they never wake from.

KC was stoic when talking to LE about her kidnapped toddler, stoic when talking to 911 about her kidnapped toddler, cold and cruel when talking with family about her kidnapped toddler - that's not an assumption, I listened to the tapes and her famous, 'Oh well.' when Christina cried about Caylee.

That, imo, is what the 911 tapes will show. A frantic, panicking grandmother juxtaposed with KC's flat unemotional voice while saying, 'I've not seen my daughter in 31 days.'

I turn around for a moment in a grocery store and don't immediately see my toddler, I'm hysterical in the space of five seconds. I can't even fathom turning around and not seeing him for 31 days. My God.

The only time KC's voice sounded distressed is when she dialed 911 to complain about protesters, and when her parents visited her and she pitched a fit when they wanted to discuss Caylee - KC wanted to talk about me, me, me.

BBM
And let's not forget Mark Klaas. That was 1996, here it is 2010, and to this day when her name is mentioned, his eyes close and you can physically see his heart skip a beat.

 

[Cat13067]

BBM

Bold 1: such as...??? What "lies" has the State come out with? Which lie? And how is not a good thing for the State to lie, yet it's perfectly ok for Casey and Cindy to lie? Again, what lies has the State come out with? And what do you mean by their demeanor? You expected them to get down on one knee and hand her tea and krumpets after they traveled all the way through downtown Orlando with her at the helm?

Bold 2: Sure we have. The defense's side of the story is that someone else did it. They don't care who, just so long as it isn't Casey.

And they borrowed KC car to kill Caylee then returned it to her with dead squirrels under the engine. Yeah that's the ticket!!!!

 

[LambChop]

I think the reason CA stated "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" is because there was a dead body in the trunk of the car. CA said it, GA said it, LA said the smell was so bad he had to keep leaving, SB from the towyard said it, LE said it, the dog alerted to it. So what is so hard to believe that Caylee's body was in the trunk of KC's car. It really is not a stretch to believe that CA knew the minute KC said someone had taken Caylee that the child missing just was not adding up with the smell in the car and that is why CA said first...."There's something wrong." It was as if CA suddenly put 2 + 2 together. Also her statement to GA when he arrived home, "We've lost her, we've lost Caylee." Not someone has taken her, or Caylee's been kidnapped. CA knew. JMO

 

[chefmom]

One piece of a 100 piece puzzle does not prove anything. Add the other 99 pieces and you have a clear picture. Now this is the picture completed, what do you see? That will be the end result the jury will have to consider. CA is the beginning. The truth will come out either way. If she lies, it will come out and CA will make it look as if her daughter is guilty. If CA tells the truth it's still part of the puzzle. How will defense dispute every single witness, every single expert, every single investigator who will testify and the physical evidence presented? Not an easy task for any well-seasoned attorney with many high-profile cases under their belt. CA may as well just tell the truth. If her daughter is innocent the truth should prove that fact. jmo

BBM

The truth is precisely the problem for CA. The truth is going to put a needle in her daughter's arm and she knows it. That's why she has been estranged from the truth in any way, shape, form, or fashion. JMO

 

[Cat13067]

BBM
And let's not forget Mark Klaas. That was 1996, here it is 2010, and to this day when her name is mentioned, his eyes close and you can physically see his heart skip a beat.

Just like CC said, to KC on the telephone. Everyone says your not upset or crying about Caylee. Kc responds I can't breakdown, because I need to stay composed so I answer LE questions. Now get my brother on the phone I want Tony's number. Oh yeah, she is the grieving mother of Caylee, and I am the Queen of Sheba. Everytime I listen to that phone call it reeks of a mother who could care less about their child.

 

[Cat13067]

I think the reason CA stated "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" is because there was a dead body in the trunk of the car. CA said it, GA said it, LA said the smell was so bad he had to keep leaving, SB from the towyard said it, LE said it, the dog alerted to it. So what is so hard to believe that Caylee's body was in the trunk of KC's car. It really is not a stretch to believe that CA knew the minute KC said someone had taken Caylee that the child missing just was not adding up with the smell in the car and that is why CA said first...."There's something wrong." It was as if CA suddenly put 2 + 2 together. Also her statement to GA when he arrived home, "We've lost her, we've lost Caylee." Not someone has taken her, or Caylee's been kidnapped. CA knew. JMO

Exactly, Lampchop. From that point on that family starting putting together the ZFG story. I hope the SA files charges against that entire family for obstruction of justice, accessory after the fact, and perjury. They gave up being grieving grandparents when they stood behind KC instead of standing up for Caylee.

 

[Mamabear1963]

BBM
And let's not forget Mark Klaas. That was 1996, here it is 2010, and to this day when her name is mentioned, his eyes close and you can physically see his heart skip a beat.

Heck, I lived in the area this happened...didn't know him...and my heart still skips a beat...

As it does for Ethan Stanley, Kyron, Caylee etc...I remember watching Adam on TV and holding my baby close and sobbing...

And these people...all they seem to be able to do is complain about everything. I don't see any of them hurting for a missing Caylee...

 

[Cat13067]

Heck, I lived in the area this happened...didn't know him...and my heart still skips a beat...

As it does for Ethan Stanley, Kyron, Caylee etc...I remember watching Adam on TV and holding my baby close and sobbing...

And these people...all they seem to be able to do is complain about everything. I don't see any of them hurting for a missing Caylee...

Yeah, because they are too busy defending Caylee's murderer...their daughter.

 

[Cat13067]

Nice chatting with everyone. I gotta go to celebrate my daughter's birthday. My beautiful 4 year old granddaughter will be there, and I will kiss, and hold her very close as I think about that beautiful baby Caylee.

God Bless you Caylee xoxo

 

[beach]

I think the reason CA stated "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" is because there was a dead body in the trunk of the car. CA said it, GA said it, LA said the smell was so bad he had to keep leaving, SB from the towyard said it, LE said it, the dog alerted to it. So what is so hard to believe that Caylee's body was in the trunk of KC's car. It really is not a stretch to believe that CA knew the minute KC said someone had taken Caylee that the child missing just was not adding up with the smell in the car and that is why CA said first...."There's something wrong." It was as if CA suddenly put 2 + 2 together. Also her statement to GA when he arrived home, "We've lost her, we've lost Caylee." Not someone has taken her, or Caylee's been kidnapped. CA knew. JMO

You summed it up perfectly, LambChop.


The question is 'what reason is there NOT to believe there had been a 'dead body in the back of the damn car' ?

For CA, it all came together the second she realized Casey hadn't seen Caylee herself in 31 days. Shock and fear immediately set in, and she immediately 'excitedly uttered'...*gasp*... truthful statements to GA and the 911 dispatcher. Her fear just rolled off of her tongue. It was a reflex, not a conscious decision. Her 3rd 911 call is the very definition of an excited utterance.