Cindy Anthony subpoenaed to appear in court

[Marina2]

I believe that she was not making an excited utterance about the smell (smell only), simply because it was old news.IMO The part about the not seeing the grandchild for a month, is certainly old news.IMO A month to be exact. IMO An excited utterance requires new news I believe. IMO I am not sure why Ca ended up in that condition of panic or anger (which is it?), but it was not a condition to get to the truth. IMO I understand that many believe it was the realization of what had happened, but am not sure that falls under the excited utterance law. IMO

Certainly the parent is not at fault, but of no help in a condition of panic or anger. IMO I once saw a lady downtown that lost her child and she was screaming in a panic at the police officer. He was asking her to please calm down so he could ask her some questions and find her child. She was of no help what so ever, so he just started looking around and found the child.

I am not sure what state of mind Ca was in. Was she upset because she realized that Caylee was missing, or was she upset that she had lost control over Kc. IMO Many would like to believe the former, but the earlier 911 call shows anger in my opinion.

bbm
An excited utterance does not require "new news". It requires a statement made by a person under the stress of a shocking event. There can be no denial that CA was making a statement while under the stress of a shocking event. She had just found out that KC was claiming that Caylee was not at the babysitter's but had been kidnapped and the car smelled of death. This would be shocking for any grandparent, let alone CA who was very well aware of KC's propensity to lie.

At the point she made that 911 call, CA was in a state of total horror. She no longer had KC stating that Caylee was at the babysitter's. She no longer had GA there to assure her that the smell was only pizza. What she had now was KC's statement that Caylee had been kidnapped and an unmistakable odor of death in the car. This resulted in a "startling or shocking event". In CA's mind, Caylee was dead. She had not allowed herself to "go there" before. Her statements on that 911 call were spontaneous. They were not part of a plan to get LE there quicker. CA was incapable of of forming a plan during that call. She was paralyzed with terror. CA has made statements to the contrary but the terror in her voice will belie her.

NTS, what I stated above has been said before and I realize that you have chosen to believe CA had other motives for her statements during that call. But, this is the argument the state will use if they need to convince the judge that her statements were excited utterances. If so, the state will be successful. It will come in as an exception to the hearsay rule and will be used along with KC's statements to show the progression of her lies, ie consciousness of guilt. When the jury hears the recording they will have no doubt what CA was thinking when she made that call.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Does anybody know why those police interviews with Cindy are edited? Right around the part where he's telling her that she's changing her story (after she accuses Jesse of changing his), they start talking about the 911 calls and how she said the smell thing to get the police there faster, and then the tape is edited. It's edited several times throughout.

 

[jon_burrows]

I think the reason CA stated "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" is because there was a dead body in the trunk of the car. CA said it, GA said it, LA said the smell was so bad he had to keep leaving, SB from the towyard said it, LE said it, the dog alerted to it. So what is so hard to believe that Caylee's body was in the trunk of KC's car. It really is not a stretch to believe that CA knew the minute KC said someone had taken Caylee that the child missing just was not adding up with the smell in the car and that is why CA said first...."There's something wrong." It was as if CA suddenly put 2 + 2 together. Also her statement to GA when he arrived home, "We've lost her, we've lost Caylee." Not someone has taken her, or Caylee's been kidnapped. CA knew. JMO

ITA with your post.

CA also said during one of her rants to the media that maybe someone put a body in the car after if was towed to the towyard. Following her logic, someone got into a locked car, planted a dead body, then retrieved the body before the towyard notified them to pick up the car. Now that's a believable story----not. Everybody's out to get Casey, even those pesky body snatchers.

GA also ranted to the media that the body in the car was not his granddaughter. Okaaayyy...so whose body was it George?

This entire case is built upon common sense and evidence. Cindy can't spin her web of lies out of this one in order for her sweetheart to come home.

IMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I hope I get to watch this hearing live.Big C and little c looking at each other will be priceless!

They're both big C's. JMO

 

[Roze]

They're both big C's. JMO

:floorlaugh:

 

[chefmom]

They're both big C's. JMO

Oooooooooh! Hahahahahahahahaha!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Dells]

She had to be calm to talk to the 911 operator? This wasn't a missing shoe. It was a missing CHILD. If my child was missing, the LAST THING I would be is calm so I could talk the 911 operator. And she wasn't calm. She was irritated, exasperated that she had to talk to 911 operator about something that didn't merit concern from her. She just wanted to someone else to handle the situation. I cannot see how anyone on the jury is going to be okay with her demeanor. It is not going to help her in any way. The jury is not going to think, "Hmm, she must be abused, poor thing, no wonder she's so calm." They're going to be thinking "Why the HELL is she not more upset about her own child missing? How the HELL can she be so calm on those 911 tapes?"

I agree w/your post. I think Casey's demeanor on the 911 calls is really going to hurt Casey. Dateline NBC profiled a case on their show last night where a father was convicted of murdering one of his daughters. A part of the prosecution's case was the father's call to 911 and his demeanor on that phone call. He was calm and not the least bit upset. Casey's demeanor during the 911 calls are going to be very damaging to her defense.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYP30PJufA&NR=1[/ame]

Cindy's interview with the FBI, July 30, in which she's wearing the same clothes she wore in the police interview (and I don't know the date on those, anybody?), right about the 8:50 mark she is talking about how she'd stick a dagger in her heart if somebody said they'd return Caylee, and how Casey is exactly like her and she would do the same. She is telling the FBI that she hopes they get a chance to see the jailhouse video where she asks Cindy asks Casey what is she protecting the family from and she says, "It's not emotional, mom, it's physical." And there's she's quoting Casey and saying she has to believe that someone is physically threatening them.

Lie.

Flat out lie.

In that video, Casey IS questioned by Cindy "what are you protecting us from?" and Casey rubs her eyes with her hand and says "Mom, let's just leave it at that", and Cindy says "Ok".

Casey never actually said they were being physically threatened. She skirted the question altogether because she didn't have a quick enough answer.

I really would like to go through all her police interviews and count the lies. Who wants to bet on how many jelly beans are in the jelly bean jar?

 

[Dells]

The state is not required to prove whether Caylee died on June 15th or 16th, nor are they required to prove manner of death. Scott Peterson was convicted of 1st degree murder without either of these firmly established. Also, a body is not required for a 1st degree murder conviction. Hans Reiser was convicted of 1st degree murder without his wife's body, then he gave it up upon conviction.
You may not believe the tone of Casey's voice shows premeditation in the 911 calls, but that is after the crime, and it is only one piece of the prosecution's puzzle. They have much more forensics, and behavior of the accused, is also a key component. Casey was the last known person seen with the deceased.

I so agree w/your post. Many others have been convicted w/much less evidence than the prosecution has on Casey Anthony. Every little piece of evidence is going to be put together by the prosecution to show that w/out a doubt that Casey Anthony is responsible for the 1st degree murder of her daughter.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I agree w/your post. I think Casey's demeanor on the 911 calls is really going to hurt Casey. Dateline NBC profiled a case on their show last night where a father was convicted of murdering one of his daughters. A part of the prosecution's case was the father's call to 911 and his demeanor on that phone call. He was calm and not the least bit upset. Casey's demeanor during the 911 calls are going to be very damaging to her defense.

Off topic but, I fell asleep watching that, darn it ... what happened? Was it the father, after all?

 

[Purple Iris]

Ya know, I just can't get past her airing out the car in a closed garage.

Can't have the neighbors getting a whiff of their dirty laundry, or, dirty little secrets.

Those "nice Anthony's", that keep everything so nice and clean, and Ward Cleaver out cleaning and shining his cars every weekend, even doing so for company".
What would the neighbors think????

 

[RR0004]

And KC is the nth baby killer who has mommy issues. Cry me a river.

Not directed to anyone in this thread, just summing up my opinion on the subject.

This is the honest to g-d truth. Lying to your parents is one thing...doesn't explain lying to everyone else...unless it's part of her psyche...as is the case with sociopaths.

 

[Dells]

Off topic but, I fell asleep watching that, darn it ... what happened? Was it the father, after all?

O/T The father was convicted along w/the other suspect. I actually thought the defense had somewhat of a case. They are currently tying to appeal his conviction. On the other hand, Casey has absolutely no defense, and I think she will most definitely be convicted.

 

[RR0004]

RR, I searched my entire file, and sorry friend...I've got nothin'.
No public thank you. Indeed they literally let it be known that they did not want LE or TES at the funeral of the child they searched for so tirelessly and as you point out, thanklessly.

Thanks, TWA! You just can't make this stuff up!!

 

[lisalei321]

Reading this, I'm kind of confused...

You see, I'm operating under the theory, that once CA and GA realized what ICA had done, they decided to make sure that no matter what was said, or what was done they were going to make sure....

Ready?

Wait for it....

That ICA was convicted, and would never come home to threaten their family again.

I firmly believe that they have done everything in their power to make sure that she is convicted in the "court of public opinion" and in a "court of law"

<no cherries in the rotten fruit throwing...I'm allergic to cherries>

 

[RR0004]

I think the reason CA stated "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" is because there was a dead body in the trunk of the car. CA said it, GA said it, LA said the smell was so bad he had to keep leaving, SB from the towyard said it, LE said it, the dog alerted to it. So what is so hard to believe that Caylee's body was in the trunk of KC's car. It really is not a stretch to believe that CA knew the minute KC said someone had taken Caylee that the child missing just was not adding up with the smell in the car and that is why CA said first...."There's something wrong." It was as if CA suddenly put 2 + 2 together. Also her statement to GA when he arrived home, "We've lost her, we've lost Caylee." Not someone has taken her, or Caylee's been kidnapped. CA knew. JMO

In the beginning, many posters wondered what role the As played (if any) in concocting the story that followed. Cindy stated (IIRC) the reason she wasn't out hunting for the mystery nanny and precious Caylee was because LE asked her not to. I remember posting that wild horses wouldn't have kept me from banging on doors over at Sawgrass. You have to wonder why she didn't hightail it to the bars that ZFG supposedly frequented demanding to see videotape in hopes of catching sight of her. Instead, Cindy spent most of her time trying to confirm Casey's story. Thought she could find ZFG online. (Why the heck didn't she hire a PI right then and there?) I still am not sure what the As have contributed to the nanny saga, but from the time she made that last 911 call...you're right...Cindy knew.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Can't have the neighbors getting a whiff of their dirty laundry, or, dirty little secrets.

Those "nice Anthony's", that keep everything so nice and clean, and Ward Cleaver out cleaning and shining his cars every weekend, even doing so for company".
What would the neighbors think????

We already know what their neighbors think of them-
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk[/ame]

CA is the bi*** from hell according to them :innocent:

 

[RR0004]

Off topic but, I fell asleep watching that, darn it ... what happened? Was it the father, after all?

Interesting story...I do believe there were false confessions. He's got some heavy hitters working to free him now. The prosecution IMO was kinda scary with their tactics.

Sorry for the OT.

 

[Moe]

I don't understand how the 911 calls could possibly not be part of the evidence during the trial. Is there precedent of 911 calls being tossed? It goes directly to state of mind, and I can't fathom them being thrown out. Am I wrong?

 

[RR0004]

I don't understand how the 911 calls could possibly not be part of the evidence during the trial. Is there precedent of 911 calls being tossed? It goes directly to state of mind, and I can't fathom them being thrown out. Am I wrong?

Under certain circumstances they're considered hearsay. At least that's my understanding.