Cindy Over the Edge? Where are the A's?

[radio]

I think the opinions about the A family have always been there!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was holding out an inkling of hope that once Caylee was FOUND and they understood she was DECEASED that they would see the truth.

I also never envisaged that she's be in a cardboard box at the funeral home almost a FULL MONTH after being discovered. They have leverage with Casey and if I was them I would USE IT to get that baby buried. NOW.

Whilst the box IS cardboard have you ever seen one of those boxes? Aware of how many restrictions and regulations are on the use of those boxes? Lots of people call them as ordinary cardboard boxes, but they aren't. Doesn't mean Caylee should not be buried asap - she should.

 

[cuppy199]

ITA with this post. Everyone blames Cindy for KC lying and stealing and not holding a job, to me George is the parent KC is most like not Cindy. Gamblers who run up huge debts when they are not working to earn the money they are taking away from their families to me thats stealing.Cindy had to turn in her IRA to save them from Georges debt and KC debt. George was the one treating KC like she was still his little 5 yr old in that jail video , when Cindy was trying to question KC. Cindy was rocking back and forth very upset George was going o/t with his stupid hand remark.George was a former LE he never ever should have taken that car from the impound lot. He knew better and he drove in that car smelling his dead grandaughter,just like KC.I'm shocked CA wasn't over the edge along time ago.

Correct me if Im wrong was it not Cindy that said lying isnt a crime? I think if we are gonna blame and point fingers at anyone it should be them equally.CA and GA both are equally to blame if thats the case.

 

[Who_What_When]

That's what disturbs me about this entire family dysfunction. "They don't want her in jail even if it's where she deserves to be." That pretty much sums it up.

Let's dial back the time clock to Casey's last round of stealing from the family pre-Caylee's demise: CA could have not paid back her parents for Casey's stealing and charges could have been pressed, but, awww, they did not want Casey to go to jail. Let's "fix" the problem with a band-aid solution. The underlying disease/evil/dysfunction (whatever your opinion of the matter) that causes Casey to steal, and lie, and manipulate is still there but the person wronged is placated (let's pay back GGma and GGPa).

Let's dial the time clock back further. We heard from George that Casey stole from Cindy's account and from their credit cards (BEFORE Caylee died). Were charges pressed? Nope. Why? Did they not want little Casey to go to jail, even if it's where she deserves to be? In my opinion they just maybe reemed her out, insulted her character, guilted her to death, threatened her and then did what they could do to pay back the money.

Let's dial it back again to the time (according to George) she allegedly "deposited" 4k of CA's money into the account but didn't, faked the deposit slip, and when called on it said that she was held up for the money! My God in Heaven!!! Is this not the time to see there is a serious and grave problem going on and address it?

According to GA Casey stole from Caylee's bank account (I'm assuming a college fund) and then wiped out the PIGGY BANK!

Let's dial the time clock back even further and speculate. Was this Casey's first foray into thievery? Did she steal from Lee as a child? Did she cheat on tests at school? Were these acts covered up as well like all the acts we've heard about that occured in the last years of Casey's life?

Listen, I don't BLAME CA and GA for Caylee's death. I don't think it's their FAULT 100%. But I do think that they nurtured, raised, coddled, and enabled their little "sweetheart" to be the dysfunctional train wreck we all see. They ALL played their parts in the dance. I'm sure someone was the "bad guy" and someone else played the "martyr", and so on.

And still, to this day, it appears to me that thinking that it may be sinking in that Casey KILLED Caylee...they still want to see her. Perhaps they still don't want her in jail, even if it's where she needs to be!!!

I'm not saying I don't agree with you. I do. What I'm trying to say is that no matter what they still love her. Until you've been in a situation that you have enabled someone without even realizing it, then you can't understand. I was in this situtation with my ex husband. He would apologize for the things he did and at the same time do it all over again. I kept holding onto the hope that he would change and even made excuses for him. It wasn't until 15 years later that I even realized that he wasnt the only one at fault. I enabled him to lie, cheat, etc. without even realizing I was doing it.

 

[Theonly1]

I'm not saying I don't agree with you. I do. What I'm trying to say is that no matter what they still love her. Until you've been in a situation that you have enabled someone without even realizing it, then you can't understand. I was in this situtation with my ex husband. He would apologize for the things he did and at the same time do it all over again. I kept holding onto the hope that he would change and even made excuses for him. It wasn't until 15 years later that I even realized that he wasnt the only one at fault. I enabled him to lie, cheat, etc. without even realizing I was doing it.

Don't get me wrong, WhoWhatWhen. I would never begrudge them their love of their daughter. But part of LOVING someone is teaching them to be a decent human being, correct (in the parent to child situation)? After reading my email with the examples given, how can they continue to really love her if they don't help her? She honestly NEEDS to be in jail and in my firm opinion, Casey think so too! She pretty much TOLD LEE that "This should have happened a long time ago." This "child" who was a woman with a child had never really matured and I think even with her alleged sociopathy could have been a better person or at least manageable with proper nurturing (with includes the carrot and the stick).

But while I'm no psychologist, I can ASSUME that there is also some extreme enmeshment involved between CA and Casey and if Casey was in jail CA would have real problems with it on other levels (how it makes CA "look", etc.).

[Also, I think GA and CA both did the dysfunction dance with Casey. I don't think it's all CA's "fault".]

 

[Who_What_When]

KC is 22 at this point they should be best friends.My daughter is my best friend she has been since she has been an adult. She went to school got her degree with honors, has a great job and just bought her first home.She calls me everyday and we im each other all the time.Now when she was a teen that was a whole different story lol.

ITA! I actually have a hard time sometimes hearing people complain about their parents. My mom has been my rock and has done everything in her life for her children.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Correct me if Im wrong was it not Cindy that said lying isnt a crime? I think if we are gonna blame and point fingers at anyone it should be them equally.CA and GA both are equally to blame if thats the case.[/QUOTE


Cindy said lying isnt a crime when everyone one saying since Kc lied she was a murderer.True but children are like sponges they absorb our actions . Everyone here mostly blames Cindy.Alot of posts act like George is a saint ,poor man he has had to live with Cindy.IMO Cindy should have kicked George to the curb along time ago.IMO George acts just like KC,jobless,lying,and a sponge.

 

[reeseeva]

I disagree with being a best friend. You can be a parent and once the child is grown you can be best friends with them. I'm a grown adult and my mom is my best friend. Not only has she kept me on the right track, she has been there all along to through the good and back, she has always been there to help me, laugh with me and love me uncondionally.

ITA, with your statement, Once the child is grown!, but feel KC is a product of arrested development. You are an adult, & NOW know in retrospect that your mother kept you on the right track. There are some great debates on the Psych Profile threads pertaining to this.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76453&page=18

 

[radio]

Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. Casey kills Caylee and she believes it is Cindy's fault. Many/Most people believe Casey killed Caylee and it is Cindy's fault. Is that what is being said? If so - whats the difference between the thinking? If not so - what is it. I think people are curious to know how this gets spliced and diced.

 

[cuppy199]

Correct me if Im wrong was it not Cindy that said lying isnt a crime? I think if we are gonna blame and point fingers at anyone it should be them equally.CA and GA both are equally to blame if thats the case.[/QUOTE


Cindy said lying isnt a crime when everyone one saying since Kc lied she was a murderer.True but children are like sponges they absorb our actions . Everyone here mostly blames Cindy.Alot of posts act like George is a saint ,poor man he has had to live with Cindy.IMO Cindy should have kicked George to the curb along time ago.IMO George acts just like KC,jobless,lying,and a sponge.

I personally see it as KC acts like both her parents in different ways I dont hold one more at fault then the other.Maybe CA should have but she didnt and she is with GA. If she choices to be with him who are we to judge.

 

[Who_What_When]

Don't get me wrong, WhoWhatWhen. I would never begrudge them their love of their daughter. But part of LOVING someone is teaching them to be a decent human being, correct (in the parent to child situation)? After reading my email with the examples given, how can they continue to really love her if they don't help her? She honestly NEEDS to be in jail and in my firm opinion, Casey think so too! She pretty much TOLD LEE that "This should have happened a long time ago." This "child" who was a woman with a child had never really matured and I think even with her alleged sociopathy could have been a better person with proper nurturing (with includes the carrot and the stick).

But while I'm no psychologist, I can ASSUME that there is also some extreme enmeshment involved between CA and Casey and if Casey was in jail CA would have real problems with it on other levels (how it makes CA "look", etc.).

I agree and I can see wanting her to stay in jail (for awhile), but for life or the death penalty? I can't imagine any parent wanting that for their child, no matter what they did. She is their child. Not a monster, not scum, not a low life, although that is how we all see her. In their eyes she is still the one they taught to walk and talk, the ones who were up all night with her as she fought a fever, the ones who consoled and kissed her when she skinned her knee, the who watched as she went off to her first day of school, they were with her when she had a first crush, her first date, her first heartbreak etc., and now they are suppose to just forget all that and hate her. I'm sorry but I don't think it's as easy for them as it is for us. We don't know her or love her. Yes, she turned out to be a horrible disappointment, but to them she is still their daughter.

You also have to consider that their are many parents out there that have done all the right things only to have their child turn out bad. It can't all be the parents fault.

 

[Theonly1]

Whilst the box IS cardboard have you ever seen one of those boxes? Aware of how many restrictions and regulations are on the use of those boxes? Lots of people call them as ordinary cardboard boxes, but they aren't. Doesn't mean Caylee should not be buried asap - she should.

I've only seen the boxes on television but not up close and personal. While I admit the box is a step up from being double-bagged and decaying in the woods I don't think it's good enough or respectful enough for Caylee at this juncture. And I'm pretty irritated about it (can't you tell?) .

 

[debs]

Why is it important to peeps for Cindy to see the truth or anyones truth for that matter? just askin

Because since July 16, Cindy has been force feeding everyone a line of BS so huge that even sherpas couldn't get us through safely. She demands everyone see things her way and her way alone, and attacks anyone who dares hold facts in front of her face. Anyone who had anything to do with Casey, whom Casey herself screwed over, became targets for Cindy and George to point at as probable suspects.

Her denial and her grief........please don't assume I will look at them as anything other than another tool in her arsenal to get her way. It has never been about finding a live Caylee. It has always been about rebuilding the walls that came down when Caylee was killed. People looked in and showed irrevocably the Anthony family wore no clothes. The empress will just have to learn to live with that. She chose to dishonor the life of her granddaughter for months after her death for her own reasons, doing so with lies, attacks, hatred, and anger. This is the bed the Anthony's chose to make for themselves, and as tragic as Caylee's death was, they have made it even moreso.

I have said from the beginning, I will not pretend just because they demand I do so. Telling the public that it was this, not that, that science is just science, that their daughter is a victim (which I believe but I can assure you I understand that in a far different way than Cindy does) and that people should be looking for a live Caylee when EVERY professional in this investigation has assured her that Caylee was dead...........no. I will not.

The hell they suffer now I would not engage upon anyone else. The hell they suffer, however, is of their own making. Months have gone by with them choosing daily to do one more thing to force upon the public a version of this tragedy that IS JUST NOT TRUE. They did it not because they are in denial about the truth, but because they want US to be in denial about the truth: That their family is dysfunctional and that one of their own killed another. I wouldn't want that as my reality, to be sure. However, the manner in which they have gone about spinning lies transcends anything else I have ever in my life seen.

If Cindy is breaking down, perhaps it will be the bottom she needed to reach before rebuilding. I pray daily that when she begins to rebuild, it will not be with the same foundation she had before. It did not serve her well at all.

 

[radio]

I've only seen the boxes on television but not up close and personal. While I admit the box is a step up from being double-bagged and decaying in the woods I don't think it's good enough or respectful enough for Caylee at this juncture. And I'm pretty irritated about it (can't you tell?) .

Yes, I can tell!!! LOL! I know it is not a comfortable feeling.

I flew my mother back to our birthplace after she passed ..... in an airline and all that approved 'box' coffin. Her older relatives were horrified, I got slammed, it was soo much fun.

 

[Theonly1]

I agree and I can see wanting her to stay in jail (for awhile), but for life or the death penalty? I can't imagine any parent wanting that for their child, no matter what they did. She is their child. Not a monster, not scum, not a low life, although that is how we all see her. In there eyes she is still the one they taught to walk and talk, the ones who were up all night with her as she fought a fever, the ones who consoled and kissed her when she skinned her knee, the who watched as she went off to her first day of school, they were with her when she had a first crush, her first date, her first heartbreak etc., and now they are suppose to just forget all that hate her. I'm sorry but I don't think it's not as easy for them as it is for us. We don't know her or love her. Yes, she turned out to be a horrible disappointment, but to them she is still their daughter.

You also have to consider that their are many parents out there that have done all the right things only to have their child turn out bad. It can't all be the parents fault.

I hear everything you're saying. While I agree that it would be easier to fathom this if Casey had allegedly murdered someone they did not know, Casey is alleged to have murdered THEIR GRANDCHILD. I ask you, what about Caylee's skinned knees, and never going to her first day of school, never having a first crush, graduating, going to prom, getting married, etc? I just wish someone in that family would stand up for that poor cow-eyed, innocent baby!

 

[nostoneunturned]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SJl3S4Shkjk&feature=related

This is why people got so sick of Cindy.To defend Casey,over Caylee was wrong

 

[mikeysmommom]

I agree and I can see wanting her to stay in jail (for awhile), but for life or the death penalty? I can't imagine any parent wanting that for their child, no matter what they did. She is their child. Not a monster, not scum, not a low life, although that is how we all see her. In there eyes she is still the one they taught to walk and talk, the ones who were up all night with her as she fought a fever, the ones who consoled and kissed her when she skinned her knee, the who watched as she went off to her first day of school, they were with her when she had a first crush, her first date, her first heartbreak etc., and now they are suppose to just forget all that hate her. I'm sorry but I don't think it's not as easy for them as it is for us. We don't know her or love her. Yes, she turned out to be a horrible disappointment, but to them she is still their daughter.

You also have to consider that their are many parents out there that have done all the right things only to have their child turn out bad. It can't all be the parents fault.

ITA It seems like people are always blaming the parents and for some reason people are blaming Cindy, I guess since Freud its always been the mom.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Whilst the box IS cardboard have you ever seen one of those boxes? Aware of how many restrictions and regulations are on the use of those boxes? Lots of people call them as ordinary cardboard boxes, but they aren't. Doesn't mean Caylee should not be buried asap - she should.

What regulations? They can put her remains in anything they choose. Once the ME office released them, the HUMANE thing would have been to put her in a little casket, but did ANYONE care enough to do that? H*ll NO!!

 

[Who_What_When]

Because since July 16, Cindy has been force feeding everyone a line of BS so huge that even sherpas couldn't get us through safely. She demands everyone see things her way and her way alone, and attacks anyone who dares hold facts in front of her face. Anyone who had anything to do with Casey, whom Casey herself screwed over, became targets for Cindy and George to point at as probable suspects.

Her denial and her grief........please don't assume I will look at them as anything other than another tool in her arsenal to get her way. It has never been about finding a live Caylee. It has always been about rebuilding the walls that came down when Caylee was killed. People looked in and showed irrevocably the Anthony family wore no clothes. The empress will just have to learn to live with that. She chose to dishonor the life of her granddaughter for months after her death for her own reasons, doing so with lies, attacks, hatred, and anger. This is the bed the Anthony's chose to make for themselves, and as tragic as Caylee's death was, they have made it even moreso.

I have said from the beginning, I will not pretend just because they demand I do so. Telling the public that it was this, not that, that science is just science, that their daughter is a victim (which I believe but I can assure you I understand that in a far different way than Cindy does) and that people should be looking for a live Caylee when EVERY professional in this investigation has assured her that Caylee was dead...........no. I will not.

The hell they suffer now I would not engage upon anyone else. The hell they suffer, however, is of their own making. Months have gone by with them choosing daily to do one more thing to force upon the public a version of this tragedy that IS JUST NOT TRUE. They did it not because they are in denial about the truth, but because they want US to be in denial about the truth: That their family is dysfunctional and that one of their own killed another. I wouldn't want that as my reality, to be sure. However, the manner in which they have gone about spinning lies transcends anything else I have ever in my life seen.

If Cindy is breaking down, perhaps it will be the bottom she needed to reach before rebuilding. I pray daily that when she begins to rebuild, it will not be with the same foundation she had before. It did not serve her well at all.

I do not believe that they knew Caylee was dead. I think they really wanted to believe she was alive and were grasping at straws to prove it. I don't think their is any doubt that they loved Caylee.

 

[mikeysmommom]

What regulations? They can put her remains in anything they choose. Once the ME office released them, the HUMANE thing would have been to put her in a little casket, but did ANYONE care enough to do that? H*ll NO!!

Your right it really is ashame that Caylee's egg donor refuses to let her be buried.

 

[radio]

Because since July 16, Cindy has been force feeding everyone a line of BS so huge that even sherpas couldn't get us through safely. She demands everyone see things her way and her way alone, and attacks anyone who dares hold facts in front of her face. Anyone who had anything to do with Casey, whom Casey herself screwed over, became targets for Cindy and George to point at as probable suspects.

Her denial and her grief........please don't assume I will look at them as anything other than another tool in her arsenal to get her way. It has never been about finding a live Caylee. It has always been about rebuilding the walls that came down when Caylee was killed. People looked in and showed irrevocably the Anthony family wore no clothes. The empress will just have to learn to live with that. She chose to dishonor the life of her granddaughter for months after her death for her own reasons, doing so with lies, attacks, hatred, and anger. This is the bed the Anthony's chose to make for themselves, and as tragic as Caylee's death was, they have made it even moreso.

I have said from the beginning, I will not pretend just because they demand I do so. Telling the public that it was this, not that, that science is just science, that their daughter is a victim (which I believe but I can assure you I understand that in a far different way than Cindy does) and that people should be looking for a live Caylee when EVERY professional in this investigation has assured her that Caylee was dead...........no. I will not.

The hell they suffer now I would not engage upon anyone else. The hell they suffer, however, is of their own making. Months have gone by with them choosing daily to do one more thing to force upon the public a version of this tragedy that IS JUST NOT TRUE. They did it not because they are in denial about the truth, but because they want US to be in denial about the truth: That their family is dysfunctional and that one of their own killed another. I wouldn't want that as my reality, to be sure. However, the manner in which they have gone about spinning lies transcends anything else I have ever in my life seen.

If Cindy is breaking down, perhaps it will be the bottom she needed to reach before rebuilding. I pray daily that when she begins to rebuild, it will not be with the same foundation she had before. It did not serve her well at all.

debs - everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Thank God the forum allows and tolerates all of us.

But I just flat out disagree. It matters not to me what Cindy thinks of her daughter's guilt or innocence. She owes me no false comfort. She just doesn't. People are still howling because SP's parents don't believe he is guilty - I could care less about what his parents believe. We can laugh and go on. Roll our eyes and go on.

I do not need to see them any more broken than they are to validate my beliefs on this case, etc. I just don't.

Not sure I'm saying this clearly. Don't know how to say I don't really care except one way I guess. lol