Cindy's Coworkers @ Gentiva

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  • #341
Thankyou for the link to the trash photos Nore.

There is no way on this earth that trash could be confused with a dead body as there's not that much to cause a smell as it's basically empty boxes and cans.

I ought to order a pizza and do my own experiment - may well do.



CA didn't respond to Debbie because she knew what the smell was. CA knew when to shut up.

I will never understand this family and trust me - I've tried.
 
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I'm thinking when Cindy discovered the car smelling of death with Caylee's doll and car seat in it, and put that together with Casey's refusal to let her see / speak with Caylee for the last month and after the 'big fight' that the truth hit her, but the trauma of that realisation caused her to dissociate....which is what the workers at Gentiva witnessed. See traits below....fits Cindy to a tee IMO.

Examples of Dissociation:

Remembering an event that didn't happen, or claiming to have no recollection of an important event that did.
Observing a trusted person or loved one commit an immoral or unethical act and refusing to believe it.
Observing oneself commit an immoral or unethical act and refusing to believe it.
A person demonstrates two or more sets of behaviors, beliefs, skills or personality traits which appear at random.
A person contradicts their own version of a story.
A person alternates between regarding another person or group as "all good" or "all bad" (also known as Splitting).
A person attributes someone else's experiences or actions to themselves (also knows as Mirroring).
A person projects their own experiences or actions onto another person (also known as Projection).
A person is confronted with facts which they choose to ignore.
 
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Thankyou for the link to the trash photos Nore.

There is no way on this earth that trash could be confused with a dead body as there's not that much to cause a smell as it's basically empty boxes and cans.

I ought to order a pizza and do my own experiment - may well do.



CA didn't respond to Debbie because she knew what the smell was. CA knew when to shut up.

I will never understand this family and trust me - I've tried.

Oh, SallyLu, don't waste a perfectly good pizza on this band of liars! Besides, one of the TV channels (WFTV?) did this experiment a while back. I could only find posts referring to it on a locked thread so no quoting was possible. Maybe Mythbusters thread has it? But rest assured, many pizzas have given their all for this cause. And not one of them has come out the other end smelling like human decomposition.
 
  • #347
The quote that made my jaw drop was as follows:

Debbie: (Cindys boss) telling YM their conversation after Cindy tells her the car smells....

"Oh Cindy, Oh My God, did you open the trunk???"
"AND SHE WOULDN'T ANSWER ME."

Cindys boss asked her specifically if she opened the trunk AND CINDY WOULD NOT ANSWER HER.
Why? Why did she have to be badgered to go home?

The hairs on the back of neck stood up when I read this.

ITA, Openmyeyes... And the way Debbie worded it--Cindy "WOULDN'T" answer her. Not "didn't" (maybe because she got distracted by someone else asking a question or suggesting she go home immediately) and not "couldn't" (maybe because she was too choked up/crying)...

WOULDN'T

:furious:
 
  • #348
Thankyou for the link to the trash photos Nore.

There is no way on this earth that trash could be confused with a dead body as there's not that much to cause a smell as it's basically empty boxes and cans.

I ought to order a pizza and do my own experiment - may well do.



CA didn't respond to Debbie because she knew what the smell was. CA knew when to shut up.

I will never understand this family and trust me - I've tried.

Oh, SallyLu, don't waste a perfectly good pizza on this band of liars! Besides, one of the TV channels (WFTV?) did this experiment a while back. I could only find posts referring to it on a locked thread so no quoting was possible. Maybe Mythbusters thread has it? But rest assured, many pizzas have given their all for this cause. And not one of them has come out the other end smelling like human decomposition.

Also A WS member did it as well, when CA started changing her story, I would have no idea how to find those posts!
 
  • #349
The quote that made my jaw drop was as follows:

Debbie: (Cindys boss) telling YM their conversation after Cindy tells her the car smells....

"Oh Cindy, Oh My God, did you open the trunk???"
"AND SHE WOULDN'T ANSWER ME."

Cindys boss asked her specifically if she opened the trunk AND CINDY WOULD NOT ANSWER HER.
Why? Why did she have to be badgered to go home?

The hairs on the back of neck stood up when I read this.

I agree this is highly significant. Thinking about Cindy and the terrifying reality of the car's decomp odor~~I believe when she was figuratively "assaulted" by the SMELL (one of the most primal and basic of human senses) it hit her to her very core. No doubt about it.

JMO.....
 
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I agree this is highly significant. Thinking about Cindy and the terrifying reality of the car's decomp odor~~I believe when she was figuratively "assaulted" by the SMELL (one of the most primal and basic of human senses) it hit her to her very core. No doubt about it.

JMO.....

OK this is the exact thing that bothers me about Cindy. She gives everyone around her enough information for them to be able to work out EXACTLY what is going on, and then INSISTS on denying their interpretation of reality.

If you don't want them to know DONT TELL THEM, and if you do want them to know (and it seems like you do) what do you gain from pretending otherwise?

She makes my brain spin.
 
  • #351
Thankyou for the link to the trash photos Nore.

There is no way on this earth that trash could be confused with a dead body as there's not that much to cause a smell as it's basically empty boxes and cans.

I ought to order a pizza and do my own experiment - may well do.


CA didn't respond to Debbie because she knew what the smell was. CA knew when to shut up.

I will never understand this family and trust me - I've tried.

If you decide to order that pizza, pop open a cold one, and enjoy it!!!:woohoo:

Do you know how many local radio and news stations went out immediately and did this experiment in July of 2008, within minutes of hearing CA utter that statement???
 
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But! and here's the big but, while yes a rotten egg smells really really bad. It smells bad enough to generate a strong physical reaction out of someone. It does in fact smell like a rotten egg. As you can personally attest a rotten egg smells unlike anything else. Once you smell it you instinctively know "That's a rotten egg". Apon encountering the oder you would tell co-workers " I smelled a rotten egg". The smell is clear unique, easily identifiable, almost hard wired into your brain, and will never be mistaken for something else.

Well human decomposition is that exact sort of uniqueness, just amped up by a factor of 100x. It doesn't smell like garbage. It doesn't smell like pizza. It does not even smell like rotting meat. As soon as it hits you your first most immediate and unarguable thought is "What died"?

And all of this is a completely moot point. Because there is so much overlapping independent evidence and testimony that lead back to the reasonable conclussion that the trunk smelled of decomposition, that a decomposition event occured in that car, that what CA specifically said to co-workers is trivial. It's hearsay at best, only useful to impeach her. Has no probative value against KC. And regardless any reasonable observer, such as a juror will come to the conclusion that yes the car smelled of a dead body, long before anyone would go anywhere near questioning the co-workers.


I think rotting meat, smells like rotting meat, regardless if it's human or not.
 
  • #353
I think rotting meat, smells like rotting meat, regardless if it's human or not.

I once left all my groceries in the boot of my car over the weekend (I know...go figure right!) and there was meat in there....when I got into the car on Monday morning I was like 'WHOA, what is that STENCH' but let me tell you, it did not smell like death. Thankfully I have never smelled a human body, but I think we all know what a dead animal smells like and its a completely different smell.
 
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I think rotting meat, smells like rotting meat, regardless if it's human or not.

My guess is that it would be different. Hate to be graphic, but a decomposing body would include the odor of decomposing organs, intestinal and urinary tract contents, etc. that a rotting pot roast would not. The overall odor would be a composite of all these things.
 
  • #355
I think rotting meat, smells like rotting meat, regardless if it's human or not.
Not like my own personal experience matters-not scientific-but it doesn't.
 
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That interview that was released...Polisano's...I believe I had read it before (?)...but this time around I zeroed in on the part about Cindy's birthday. Way back when we had wondered why it didn't seem like anything special went on...now I'm reading how it p.o. Cindy...which makes sense. But it also triggered an interview that Cindy had with LE...when they were working on the timeline. She talked about her "special" birthday and I never got the impression that there was anything that upset her. Matter of fact, Cindy's posturing during the interview REALLY upsets ME. I think I would have been sobbing uncontrollably. Oh, that woman makes no sense.
 
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You know, RR...amazing CA confided more with her coworkers than with the police who would have been in a better position to help her..Just so unreal how CA can spin her words...she needs to watch out, if she's put on the witness stand at trial..she better be on the up and up or she too will be incarcerated for perjury..JMHO


Justice for Caylee
 
  • #358
I think rotting meat, smells like rotting meat, regardless if it's human or not.

Yes, but it does not smell like human decomposition. The smells are very very distinct and different. There is more to a large mammal than meat, (fluids, bowels, assorted organs etc. Meat is really just muscle) and it all contributes to the overall smell.

Now maybe if there was a reasonably large dead mammal in that trunk for the better part of a month, say a largish dog or a pig, then yeah you might be able to get something that might possibly approximate that smell to a human nose. But the dogs still would not have hit on it. A squirrel would not have smelled the same to someone who had encountered the smell before (George with 100% certainty). Pizza or rotting meat absolutely would not have been close.

Now to further this. We are still animals on some levels. We do have some hard wired instincts remaining. One of the big ones is hard wired into that smell and only that smell. You can smell rotting meat, garbage, pizza, even a dead squirrel, and it will be awful. It will be horrible. You will want to throw up. You will think on reflect on how horrible the smell is. But you will not react the same as you will to the smell of a human decomposition event. As soon as you smell a dead body things happen that don't happen typically with other odors. Adrenaline kicks in, big time. While the garbage and the squirrel may make you think "Oh this is awful!" and "I'm going to be sick" that smell of a dead person triggers on an emotional level the single inescapable thought of "DANGER!!!". It isn't mysticism or speculation. Like all other animals we react to the smell of one of our own that is dead.

Cindy's growing unease about the car while she was at work was largely because of those instincts that kicked in when she encountered that odor. The fact that her manager sent her home is a reflection of how obvious her distress was to an outside observer, regardless of what she specifically said.
 
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Yes, but it does not smell like human decomposition. The smells are very very distinct and different. There is more to a large mammal than meat, (fluids, bowels, assorted organs etc. Meat is really just muscle) and it all contributes to the overall smell.

Now maybe if there was a reasonably large dead mammal in that trunk for the better part of a month, say a largish dog or a pig, then yeah you might be able to get something that might possibly approximate that smell to a human nose. But the dogs still would not have hit on it. A squirrel would not have smelled the same to someone who had encountered the smell before (George with 100% certainty). Pizza or rotting meat absolutely would not have been close.

Now to further this. We are still animals on some levels. We do have some hard wired instincts remaining. One of the big ones is hard wired into that smell and only that smell. You can smell rotting meat, garbage, pizza, even a dead squirrel, and it will be awful. It will be horrible. You will want to throw up. You will think on reflect on how horrible the smell is. But you will not react the same as you will to the smell of a human decomposition event. As soon as you smell a dead body things happen that don't happen typically with other odors. Adrenaline kicks in, big time. While the garbage and the squirrel may make you think "Oh this is awful!" and "I'm going to be sick" that smell of a dead person triggers on an emotional level the single inescapable thought of "DANGER!!!". It isn't mysticism or speculation. Like all other animals we react to the smell of one of our own that is dead.

Cindy's growing unease about the car while she was at work was largely because of those instincts that kicked in when she encountered that odor. The fact that her manager sent her home is a reflection of how obvious her distress was to an outside observer, regardless of what she specifically said.
TWA had posted video of Cindy's early interviews with LE (on another thread)...and she does state that she opened the garage door...but stops herself from saying "because I couldn't stand the smell!" She further states that she sprayed Febreze and it started to smell better. This is to LE no less. I agree, the statement she made to co-workers are more believable.
 
  • #360
Copying these posts to a more appropriate thread:
Cindy was NOT an office manager for Gentiva Home Health, she was a Nurse Case Manager, and they do go out to see patients. I used to work for them, and I've had Case Managers. It is not a "desk job" and you are issued a pager for when you are out of the office.
No, not Cindy. I worked for them in Richmond, CA. My friend is out here and she worked for a different HHA that I also worked for.
Yes, Cindy could have been out of the office on a regular basis. Her Supervisor may have known where she was, but I often went out to lunch, and they paged me if they had orders for me or such and I had to call in...
After the bad PR she's brought to them, plus I wouldn't trust her as a nurse or manager at this point, Gentiva would be crazy to take her back unless they are forced to, by her agreement.
Her not getting prenatal care for Casey until 7 months, calling it "female trouble" and still not getting her to a Gyn, or even forcing Casey to have a pregnancy test done is reason enough to question her judgement as a nurse, let alone supposedly mistaking Chloroform for Chlorophyll, and her actions after recognizing the smell of decomp in the car.
Heck, I'd question her sanity now if she really believes Caylee is still alive, when the DNA clearly proved it's Caylee's ashes she's wearing around her neck, and that's whom she had the elaborate, invitation-only memorial for!
 
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