Cindy's Deposition #3 *UPDATED* MOTION FILED

[marla]

Above in bold... thank you for saying that. I didn't want to see CA and GA's name dragged aruond where it doesn't belong.

I don't think ANYONE helped KC. What she did and how she did it is a secret she'll take to her grave, unless LE and prosecutors are able to debunk it for us.

That's exactly how I feel about the situation ..

:seeya:

 

[marla]

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Well, it is too late. They both already id a ZG at Sawgrass. Cindy and George at the defamation suit said this ZG was NOT involved. Casey was shown a line up and said this women was not involved.

What reason could Casey have for not clearing this ZG? This ZG does not know Casey and Caylee and is not involved, that is why we have this suit.

To possibly frame her for the murder of Caylee, that's the reason! :seeya:

 

[Baxter]

the A's didn't id a ZG at Sawgrass....Casey provided the name Z F G, different from this woman's name. Casey told her parents she was not shown this woman's photo in a lineup. She has not said this woman is involved, yet she has not come out and said this is definitely NOT the same woman either (to my knowledge at least, has she?). The description KC gave of her ZFG seems to be a different woman, but in my opinion the A's should stick to only what Casey told them, i.e., that ZFG is somewhat taller than KC, she guessed maybe 5'7", slightly heavier build than KC for her height like maybe 135-140lbs, straightened hair, 25 years old, biracial PuertoRican, etc. They should not make a statement that this woman was definitely not involved in Caylee's disappearance. They came very close to accidentally saying those words in their depositions because they clearly have never thought this was the woman and they have sympathy for her, GA may even have actually said it. They should be careful not to make any further statement to that effect, because obviously that's what ZG's lawyers are fishing for, they will try to use it as evidence/fact in itself in future.

Defamation would be if KC or any of the Anthonys had SAID this woman was the person, accused this particular woman, put her photo and particulars out there identifying her as the woman in question, or circulated false information about this woman which resulted in damaging her reputation, causing her to lose her job, or other loss. The Anthonys don't appear to ever have defamed this woman and KC may not have either since the name she gave was different from this woman's name (i.e. the first surname, F.), and because she did not do the above things. This is supposed to be a defamation lawsuit, but the ZG lawyers appear to be trying to get something else from it. MOO

I know what the word defamation means. I was answering your post, in which you thought the Anthony's should not identify this ZG as the person who was NOT the nanny. Why would they do that? They know she is not.

As for the defamation part, Morgan and co, had a tape that had Cindy repeating what Casey said about this particular Sawgrass ZG that said she was never shown a line up or a picture of this women to deny or confirm it is her.

 

[Spangle]

Who do you think helped her?

Then..

The parents didn't MURDER Caylee, Casey did ..

You think that maybe one of her friends helped with the murder?

The answer was to the question of "help". That doesn't mean they had to help with the actual murder. But cleaning up afterwards.

It doesn't take a smarty to actually kill. It is what comes afterwards, that everyone is questioning if she was smart enough to get away with it. Where folks seem to think she had help.

Since she is setting in jail, it doesn't seem she was smart enough to get away with it. Unless they come up with a killer, she will always be seen as the killer. Just like O.J.

Her Mother has helped her to try and get away with it. Some of it might have been accidental. Like the pants washing, etc , early on. But the comments to the media, police, etc... that wasn't accidental lies.

 

[Spangle]

This ZFG lawsuit is totally frivolous IMO. If she has in fact lost her job because her name was used in this case then her ambulance chaser lawyers need to go after the employer that fired her because THAT is against the law. And as Seagull stated above its been said since the beginning that she was NOT the ZFG that took Caylee.

FYI: It isn't against the law in Florida.

 

[marla]

Then..


The answer was to the question of "help". That doesn't mean they had to help with the actual murder. But cleaning up afterwards.

It doesn't take a smarty to actually kill. It is what comes afterwards, that everyone is questioning if she was smart enough to get away with it. Where folks seem to think she had help.

Since she is setting in jail, it doesn't seem she was smart enough to get away with it. Unless they come up with a killer, she will always be seen as the killer. Just like O.J.

Her Mother has helped her to try and get away with it. Some of it might have been accidental. Like the pants washing, etc , early on. But the comments to the media, police, etc... that wasn't accidental lies.

Right ..
But, the initial crime was committed ONLY by Casey ..


I don't think there's anyone else involved ..

 

[Spangle]

absolutely, and sue any landlord that terminated her lease based on this (presumably that didn't happen either), the media outlets that repeatedly aired her image (presumably not suing them because her ambulance chasing lawyers courted those media outlets themselves and/or ZG received remuneration from those media outlets), sue the source that leaked this woman's address or image to the media in the first place, etc.

Meanwhile, in my opinion, the A's should be very careful to limit their statements to the fact that they don't believe the descriptions given to them by KC match this woman's appearance, that KC has not told them this woman is involved, and the fact that neither they nor KC ever gave this woman's image or address or particulars to the media or disseminated her image or made any accusation against this woman--they should not make any statements to the effect of "this is not the woman/this woman is not involved in Caylee's disappearance". They should not take that risk. What if there's a reason KC won't look at the picture and 'clear' this woman? The A's have no way of knowing.

Woops! I'm sorry I thought you read those threads that discussed that issue. Look for the threads that discuss this. It explains our work laws. We are an "at will' state. We can be fired for anything or nothing. So it wasn't against the law. She was fired because her boss didn't like the kind of attention she was getting. And it wasn't illegal for him to do so.

If she wanted money, she would had a better chance of actually receiving funds from a company then the A's. <shrug> But she doesn't have a case to take him/company to court.

 

[Spangle]

Right ..
But, the initial crime was committed ONLY by Casey ..


I don't think there's anyone else involved ..

Well, folks don't realize you are only talking about a smuge, instead of talking about the whole streak. LOL! When you bring it up to ask, you might want to clarify your question/statements to show your only talking about the murder. It will save you some :banghead:

I don't think she had help with the murder. After wards, that is a different story. Like I said, CA did help. She might not have known at first, but later she knew what she was DOING. And that brings some question to wither it was an accident or on purpose that she was helping from the get go.

Other then that 'help', I don't think she had help. If she had help, she wouldn't have drove around with the body. She knew she HAD to do something, it doesn't take smarts to figure that part out. In the end, she just tossed the body in the near by woods that she knew well.

I don't see where the "had to be smart" enough kicks in. :waitasec:

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The FBI report states the hair sample was not tested for chloroform, "as this examination is not deemed probative by the FBI Laboratory's Chemistry Unit."http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,3192956.story

:waitasec:So, could there be another lab that tested for the Chloroform? Is there more testing, like bone marrow testing I wonder?

As speculated, If Caylee died as a result of a drug overdose ... and it was the first time that she had been given the drug..for example chloroform that they did not test for and why is beyond me...(Unless that is part of another report.); heck Casey searched how to make it, why not test the bone marrow? It is said that other drugs would not show up in the hair ... as hair has to grow before drugs are encased in the hair shaft. My question is did they test the bone marrow? That has not been released yet...So, I still wonder..sometimes what is not found in hair can be found in bone marrow, was anything found in other test?

 

[NSS]

The FBI report states the hair sample was not tested for chloroform, "as this examination is not deemed probative by the FBI Laboratory's Chemistry Unit."http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,3192956.story

:waitasec:So, could there be another lab that tested for the Chloroform? Is there more testing, like bone marrow testing I wonder?

As speculated, If Caylee died as a result of a drug overdose ... and it was the first time that she had been given the drug..for example chloroform that they did not test for and why is beyond me...(Unless that is part of another report.); heck Casey searched how to make it, why not test the bone marrow? It is said that other drugs would not show up in the hair ... as hair has to grow before drugs are encased in the hair shaft. My question is did they test the bone marrow? That has not been released yet...So, I still wonder..sometimes what is not found in hair can be found in bone marrow, was anything found in other test?

*speculation*

Chloroform is difficult to test for because it is a gas (I know it is a liquid, but it is the vapors that are toxic) and thereby evaporates. Prolonged contact may show in soft tissues such as lung lining and liver, sadly those organs were unavailable to the ME.

Chloroform is also (IIRC) a good 'cleaner'. I think the chloroform is a possible red herring when it comes to cause of death.

 

[LambChop]

Everyone please get back on track to the thread title. Thanks.

I think everyone skips over the stay on track messages????

 

[Pondering Mind]

The "10" one, as in the opening post of this thread..... :waitasec:

ohhh..I see. :waitasec: Only problem is .... that nanny AND her white puppy only exists in Anthonyland.

 

[debs]

If George and Cindy's next depositions are taken in front of a judge, will anyone be allowed to videotape them?

 

[MissJames]

Except in this case, there is another Charles Manson (a real Charles Manson, not a figment of someones imagination) who is in prison for murder so I doubt anybody would be thinking Charles Manson the killer is running around free and maybe putting in job applications somewhere. If I were to meet somebody today with the name Charles Manson my reaction would be to feel sorry for the person.
The thing with ZHG, how many ZHG are there that have a connection to the sawgrass apartments?

VB

I'm missing your 1st point...sorry.But we do know that the Zeneida who filed suit was at Sawgrass on June,17th,a critical time in this case.We know she drove a car very similar to the one KC described and that it had NY tags as KC mentioned.My point is that,I believe JM is trying to show it's more than coincidence that KC used this name and that she didn't have a nanny at all,much less named ZFG. Since there was no other Zeneida already behind bars police pulled her in for questioning.The media and people in forums and blogs started speculating about her.She lost her job over this.