Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[Gaia713]

What was that Cindy said on the Early Show about there being "NO RED FLAGS".
I would say this email shows red flags..not that Caylee is dead but that Casey and Caylee have been absent from the family home and witholding contact with Caylee for a length of time that is truly bothering/hurting Cindy.

IMO Cindy would do a lot better if she had stuck to the hurting/bothered grandmother, rather than the fantasy-life propaganda grandmother.

 

[trafficsUP66]

"Am I ever going to see her again? "

WOW... there are no words for this particular quote. Just WOW.

Yup. ITA! Just...........

Wow!!!

 

[OneLostGrl]

As much as this case has taken over my life....at least when the trial is over, regardless of outcome, I will return to my life as I knew it before ever hearing of KC and the A Family or precious Caylee. As a mother, and grandmother, I perceive CA's drafted email as heavy with pain and foreboding. I have no doubt, despite the outcome of the trial, that CA will turn the details and events of this case over in her head for the remainder of her life. I don't know if she has truly "drank the punch" and believes what she is now saying is true (perhaps a glimpse at the same sociopathic tendencies as KC) or if inside her head she is accepting of the truth but choses to maintain the aura of supportive mother for either her or KC's survival, or both. Either way, she's tormented and will forever be tormented if inside she is still the woman who drafted that email. IMHO.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Excellent post! Just perfect!

:clap::clap:

 

[OneLostGrl]

IMO Cindy would do a lot better if she had stuck to the hurting/bothered grandmother, rather than the fantasy-life propaganda grandmother.

I don't think she would know how. Anger is so much easier an emotion than sadness. But it certainly shows us where her daughter got her fairytale telling abilities!

 

[magic-cat]

From the ZFG Deposition of Cindy 2009 0409 when CA 'claims' to have contact info:

12 Q: So this isn't somebody that if something had
​

13 happened to either yourself or your husband that you had
14 a method of reaching out and get ahold of this --
15 A: Actually, I had phone numbers for Zanny at
16 different times and I had addresses at different times.
17 Q: Why don't you tell me the phone number.
18 A: I don't have it now.
19 Q: Where is it?
20 A: I -- I don't have it now.
21 Q: Where would it have been?
22 A: Would have been in an address book, something
23 that Casey had or I had.
24 Q: So when you say you had -- let me get this
25 straight. You had addresses and phone numbers of Zanny,

- 23 -

1 and Zanny is -- your understanding -- when you're saying
2 Zanny, I want to make sure, Zanny is the person that you
3 were saying was watching --
4 A: Casey always gave me a phone number, yes.
5 Q: And these phone numbers, you're saying they
6 are in existence and you've written them down somewhere
7 in an address book and they're out there somewhere to be
8 found; is that right?
9 A: I gave all that to the sheriff's department.
10 Q: So then the sheriff's department will have all
11 that?
12 A: I gave it all to the sheriff's department.
13 Q: That will include the address of Zanny, of
14 this person?
15 A: Anything I had I gave to the sheriff's
16 department.
17 Q: The phone numbers, do you remember the area
18 code of them?
19 A: No.
20 Q: How about the address, for instance, of the
21 part of the town where the address was?
22 A: From my knowledge, Casey told me there was
23 like four different addresses over the course of three
24 years, that she moved quite frequently.
25 Q : And these four -- the addresses, then, and the

- 24 -

1 phone numbers, they all came from Casey?
2 A: Yes.
3 Q: Did Zenaida or Zanny, the person that you
4 believed was watching Caylee, did she in any way provide
5 to you a phone number or an address?
6 A: No, never needed to talk to her.
7 Q: Did she --
8 A: I never needed to talk to her.
9 Q: If the need arose that you needed to talk to
10 her, get ahold of her, would you have had to go to these
11 addresses and phone numbers that Casey gave you; is that
12 right?
13 A: Yes, correct.
14 Q: Did you ever dial or call or talk to this
15 person?
16 A: No, I have not.

<snip>

21 Q: And once again, as far as the phone number and
22 how to get a hold of her or address, that would have been
23 all information that had been given to you by Casey and
24 you say you've turned all that over?
25 A: Right. Casey would give me a new phone number

- 29 -

1 for Zanny probably every three months because she said
2 the girl changed her phone number almost like she changed
3 her address.
​

Wonder why LE never thought to look for the numbers and addresses that Cindy gave them?

:floorlaugh:

These people beat anything I have ever seen in my life. I swear they do.

You know what I wonder? I wonder if about every three months Casey would not obtain a different cell phone, either by buying it with some of her stolen funds or charging it or even stealing it, and then give her mom the new # for Zanny-which would be a number in HER possession. If the numbers on any of the phones that LE took are the same numbers as the numbers that Casey gave to Mommy then that could easily be proven to have been the case...and that is a big IF Cindy actually did, in fact, give those numbers to LE...big IF!!!:behindbar

 

[jjgram]

You know what I wonder? I wonder if about every three months Casey would not obtain a different cell phone, either by buying it with some of her stolen funds or charging it or even stealing it, and then give her mom the new # for Zanny-which would be a number in HER possession. If the numbers on any of the phones that LE took are the same numbers as the numbers that Casey gave to Mommy then that could easily be proven to have been the case...and that is a big IF Cindy actually did, in fact, give those numbers to LE...big IF!!!:behindbar

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:clap: :clap: :clap:


:blowkiss:

I just wonder :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:




You have a good post !!! Thanks If it is the "ONE"


JMO
God Bless !
jjgram

*** Never ~ Ever ~ Never ~ Ever Give up H O P E ! ! !
JUSTICE for Little ANGEL C A Y L E E ! ! !
Thanks !

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

(Bold is my emphasis)

DogMom, I will meet you at the AR-MS state line and bring you some whiskey. We need WHISKEY.

And we'll be needing these; grab one.

:cautionDrunk: :cautionDrunk:

Sorry....SOOOO OT
HAHA I'm on my way, but not sure where the AR/MS border is...probably West Helena. Grew up in/around Memphis, so that'll work better 4 me, lol. Actually worked at a clothing store in Southaven for a while, believe it or not!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Bold mine.

That has always really bothered me. Cindy started to try to catch Casey in a lie about that picture but then she immediately told Casey that she knew it was taken at Ricardo's. I think this is a great example of the conflict going on in Cindy's mind. She wants to know the truth but at the same time she can't bear to hear the truth. So she cuts herself off at the knees.

I have no doubt that if Cindy had just asked where the picture was taken Casey would have repeated the lie that it was at Zanny's house. It would have exposed to Cindy that her daughter was outright lying to her about Zanny. Cindy tried to ask for the truth but then her emotion (fear) took over and she provided Casey with a chance to fabricate a "reasonable" explanation. I actually felt sorry for Cindy right then. She just can't allow herself to know the truth.

I agree, it's very sad. And IMO you can tell these behaviors, the way they interact are not new. It's is a shame when a parent allows their child to turn into someone like this simply because they can't handle the truth.. Cindy is a very sick woman and I hope she does something about it- sooner rather than later. Though she is pretty busy buying jewelry and clothes and Botox.....

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

Okay, now it's time for a REAL post, lol.
So...CA claims to have numbers and and addresses for the invisinanny, and that KC gave her four new addresses over three years (and a new phone number every 3 months or so), then the MATH doesn't work. Caylee was only 2 years old when she was murdered....so there's no way that this nanny was watching her over a THREE year time period unless she was staring at KC's pregnant belly or babysitting a corpse. If this is true, then there is NO WAY that Cindy (or KC, either) would have needed all four of those addresses over those three years. Didn't she find out about this woman from some trusted friend that worked with her at Universal and had employed this sitter for their child? (not sure when the lies about working at Universal started) Doesn't it seem really strange that KC would require the two or three previous addresses of this person who was going to babysit for her (UP to four years ago....that would be like, two years before she even HAD Caylee)? The more I read, the more I think, the less sense this makes.

 

[AZlawyer]

Through some excellent sleuthing earlier in this thread, we determined that Cindy drafted the following message to Casey in the late evening of July 14--the night before G&C picked up the car, tracked down Casey, and called the police. At the time she's drafting this message, Cindy believes Casey is in Jacksonville, but her excuses are wearing thin:

can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre

From context, it appears that Cindy's reference to George being at work 9:00-6:30 is in reference to that same day (Monday July 14). It also appears that Casey told Cindy that George was at home at some point that day. (But why would Casey say this if she was pretending to be in Jacksonville with Jeff, Caylee and Zachary (Jeff's son)? :waitasec: Maybe she said someone else saw George? Zanny perhaps??)

After learning that George's work schedule for that day was confirmed to be around 9-6, we assumed Casey had just been lying as usual. But in the new docs, I noticed that George was actually AWOL from work on July 14 from 3:45 pm- 6:15 pm. http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf, p. 177. He claimed to have been stuck in traffic "for two hours" behind a traffic accident on the I-4, exit 74, on his way from the main office of Andrews International Security (7556 Municipal Drive, Orlando, FL) south to Disney at Celebration, FL. He claimed that he then "turned around" and returned to the main office.

George's Epass records, however, tell a different story. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447626/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Epass-records-Released-Nov-06-08, p. 9. According to the Epass records, from 4:00- 4:15 pm George was driving east on the 528, away from the supposed "traffic accident" and also in the completely wrong direction if he was "turning around" to get back to the office (which would have taken a matter of minutes in any event, and he didn't get back to the office until 2 hours later). (Here's a map of the Epass tollbooths: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/travel/assets/ExpressMap2009.pdf.)

George's route on the afternoon of July 14 is consistent with going to the house, the post office (you know--the one he had no time to get to on July 14 because he was "working"), Amscot, Johnson's...any number of places in that area.

Casey called the house at 3:33 pm that day, which she often seemed to do in order to check if the coast was clear for a quick stopover. We have no ping information for her between 4:37 pm and 5:50 pm (she was at Tony's before and after that time). If Casey did drive by the house, she would likely have been driving Amy's car, which she was borrowing while Amy was in Puerto Rico.

So it looks like George was AWOL from work 4:15-6:15 pm on July 14, and Casey might have been driving around in Amy's car 4:45-5:45 pm, after checking to make sure no one was home, and saw him at or near the house. So...what could George have been doing? And what could Casey have been "telling" on him for (without giving away her own "cover" of being in Jacksonville)?

 

[suepitzl]

Seeing his Lover?

 

[angeldust]

What day was george supposed to be chasing casey? can anyone help please i looking through the search but cant seem to find anything x

 

[suepitzl]

Nevermind, that post I made doesn't make sense. Maybe he was on the computer at home.

 

[Gma Kat]

Through some excellent sleuthing earlier in this thread, we determined that Cindy drafted the following message to Casey in the late evening of July 14--the night before G&C picked up the car, tracked down Casey, and called the police. At the time she's drafting this message, Cindy believes Casey is in Jacksonville, but her excuses are wearing thin:



From context, it appears that Cindy's reference to George being at work 9:00-6:30 is in reference to that same day (Monday July 14). It also appears that Casey told Cindy that George was at home at some point that day. (But why would Casey say this if she was pretending to be in Jacksonville with Jeff, Caylee and Zachary (Jeff's son)? :waitasec: Maybe she said someone else saw George? Zanny perhaps??)

After learning that George's work schedule for that day was confirmed to be around 9-6, we assumed Casey had just been lying as usual. But in the new docs, I noticed that George was actually AWOL from work on July 14 from 3:45 pm- 6:15 pm. http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf, p. 177. He claimed to have been stuck in traffic "for two hours" behind a traffic accident on the I-4, exit 74, on his way from the main office of Andrews International Security (7556 Municipal Drive, Orlando, FL) south to Disney at Celebration, FL. He claimed that he then "turned around" and returned to the main office.

George's Epass records, however, tell a different story. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447626/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Epass-records-Released-Nov-06-08, p. 9. According to the Epass records, from 4:00- 4:15 pm George was driving east on the 528, away from the supposed "traffic accident" and also in the completely wrong direction if he was "turning around" to get back to the office (which would have taken a matter of minutes in any event, and he didn't get back to the office until 2 hours later). (Here's a map of the Epass tollbooths: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/travel/assets/ExpressMap2009.pdf.)

George's route on the afternoon of July 14 is consistent with going to the house, the post office (you know--the one he had no time to get to on July 14 because he was "working"), Amscot, Johnson's...any number of places in that area.

Casey called the house at 3:33 pm that day, which she often seemed to do in order to check if the coast was clear for a quick stopover. We have no ping information for her between 4:37 pm and 5:50 pm (she was at Tony's before and after that time). If Casey did drive by the house, she would likely have been driving Amy's car, which she was borrowing while Amy was in Puerto Rico.

So it looks like George was AWOL from work 4:15-6:15 pm on July 14, and Casey might have been driving around in Amy's car 4:45-5:45 pm, after checking to make sure no one was home, and saw him at or near the house. So...what could George have been doing? And what could Casey have been "telling" on him for (without giving away her own "cover" of being in Jacksonville)?

Geez AZ! Your going to make my head explode :doh: ! I was just reading something on this particular incident today. I'm off to re-sleuth :sleuth: ....I don't trust my memory anymore! nline:


BTW - Awesome work and post :toast:. Appreciate it, really do....ouch! Pressure in head increasing.....

 

[AZlawyer]

What day was george supposed to be chasing casey? can anyone help please i looking through the search but cant seem to find anything x

According to Cindy, it was back in April 2008, IIRC. George was "positive" it was late June 2008, and was "positive" Casey was driving Cindy's car, and described the route in exact detail about which he was "positive", but his Epass records don't match for any of those days, and neither do Cindy's.

 

[TallyHo]

Good catch AZ!!!

After thinking he might have gone somewhere for a drink, or to an, ahem, gentleman's establishment, I had another idea. Maybe he went home unannounced specifically to spy on his daughter. I think he suspected she was coming in and taking things while they weren't there. I also think that anytime he approached Cindy with those thoughts, she talked or more likely texted Casey about it and Casey put all of the blame on George. Hence the, "I don't know who or what to believe anymore". They were obviously really worried about Caylee at that point. Maybe he thought he could catch her in the act like he did on the gas can day.

 

[Just Jayla]

...or...perhaps something was left amiss at the house that CA noticed when she got home-a light on, a door open, something out on the counter. She had already suspected KC was lying about her whereabouts, as Lee had busted KC out earlier in the month (3rd or 4th of July) and GA busted KC at home when she was supposed to be in Tampa in June. CA suspected KC was coming in and out of the house. In fact, don't we know for sure that CA knew KC was in and out? Didn't CA say in one of her interviews that KC would come in and take clothes? Plus, don't tell me CA did not notice her food missing. I have to wonder if KC just took popsicles to make it look like she was taking stuff for Caylee.
It may just so happen that GA was really the one at home that day, but had his own reasons for being sneaky.
Very very worst case scenario is that KC and GA were meeting at the home to cover up Caylee's disappearance in some way, or that both were complicite in placing the body from the backyard down to Suburban...but I doubt that, really just a conspiracy theory that GA knew where Caylee was by then.
...hmmm...but was a stain in the HHR confirmed? Can we eliminate GA placing the body at Suburban? I still don't think so, but hafta put it out there.
If it is true that KC was doing regular drive-bys at that time (I am certain she did a drive by on July 1st), maybe she saw GA there-Though his car should have been in the garage as normal.
Brain gears on overdrive, keep sleuthing, people!

 

[AZlawyer]

Good catch AZ!!!

After thinking he might have gone somewhere for a drink, or to an, ahem, gentleman's establishment, I had another idea. Maybe he went home unannounced specifically to spy on his daughter. I think he suspected she was coming in and taking things while they weren't there. I also think that anytime he approached Cindy with those thoughts, she talked or more likely texted Casey about it and Casey put all of the blame on George. Hence the, "I don't know who or what to believe anymore". They were obviously really worried about Caylee at that point. Maybe he thought he could catch her in the act like he did on the gas can day.

Good thought.

***SPECULATION ALERT. NOT TRUE QUOTES! *******

Casey: "Mom, OMG. I was sitting here innocently in Jacksonville and Zanny's sister Samantha volunteered to pick up a couple of things from the house for me with that key I gave Zanny, and Dad saw her car pulling out of the driveway and CHASED her in his car like a MANIAC. OMG he's crazy you should divorce him."

Cindy: "George, I can't believe you chased Casey's friend in her car! You're paranoid and unstable! You could have been in an accident and killed the poor girl!"

George: "What me huh what? I was at work the whole time." (Thinking in his head: I'd better not admit I think it was Casey driving that car. Last time I tried to check out one of Casey's lies (Sports Authority job) Cindy was really mad.)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Don't we have George's work records? Maybe they didn't cover July dates, though; I can't remember.

We have some of them now as you probably know. They came out in the November Doc Dump.

Oops, always read ahead, always read ahead. Great observation/post AZlawyer.

 

[LambChop]

...or...perhaps something was left amiss at the house that CA noticed when she got home-a light on, a door open, something out on the counter. She had already suspected KC was lying about her whereabouts, as Lee had busted KC out earlier in the month (3rd or 4th of July) and GA busted KC at home when she was supposed to be in Tampa in June. CA suspected KC was coming in and out of the house. In fact, don't we know for sure that CA knew KC was in and out? Didn't CA say in one of her interviews that KC would come in and take clothes? Plus, don't tell me CA did not notice her food missing. I have to wonder if KC just took popsicles to make it look like she was taking stuff for Caylee.
It may just so happen that GA was really the one at home that day, but had his own reasons for being sneaky.
Very very worst case scenario is that KC and GA were meeting at the home to cover up Caylee's disappearance in some way, or that both were complicite in placing the body from the backyard down to Suburban...but I doubt that, really just a conspiracy theory that GA knew where Caylee was by then.
...hmmm...but was a stain in the HHR confirmed? Can we eliminate GA placing the body at Suburban? I still don't think so, but hafta put it out there.
If it is true that KC was doing regular drive-bys at that time (I am certain she did a drive by on July 1st), maybe she saw GA there-Though his car should have been in the garage as normal.
Brain gears on overdrive, keep sleuthing, people!

Unless you're thinking that GA did not love his granddaughter then I doubt very much he would put her body down the street where he would have to drive by it every day. KC is the one who distanced herself from the home. Plus with GA's LE background he knows how to get rid of a body and not to be graphic but there are lots and lots of ponds with thingy's in them, green thingy's that would dispose of the body easily. My guess is KC is afraid of green thingy's so down the street would do because she knows there are no thingy's in those woods. jmo