Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[LancelotLink]

If he already had a background in security...why would this be a new "career"...instead of a new position????

He's a suckup.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Evening folks,

Something has been bugging me and do not recall reading anything released so far and thought you guys might recall? ...

Where was George on Father's Day evening?

TIA

GA was working on Father's Day - his usual shift was 3PM to 11PM.
On June 15 he was working for Security Forces. His last week with them was the first week in July 2008.

From what I can tell, he began working for Andrews Int'l. in July of 2008. I believe July 11 was his first day. He worked July 14 and 15 too.

His work records were released in the 11/2 doc dump. I have a note here next to the date of June 16 that says written page 23176, clickorlando pdf. pg. 202.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Actually he was still working for Security Forces. His last day working for them was Friday, July 4th. It seems as if Georgie was lying. Oh, try not to act so shocked!

Plus, he didn't even mention the job at Security Forces at all on his application for Andrews but instead stated his last job ended Feb/08. Strange!

Yikes I didn't even notice this gap. I didn't see Security Forces except that's what's on the time sheets. He told Andrews that he worked for The Waverly which is an apartment building in downtown Orlando. I looked it up to see if it was a seniors building because SP wrote that he was working as a desk security guy in a building for old people. Oh I see here he wrote he was working for Fox Protective Service (no Security Forces). Like you, I'm curious as to what this is about.

He probably didn't want the people at Andrews to contact Security Forces but why not?

 

[Dear Prudence]

Yikes I didn't even notice this gap. I didn't see Security Forces except that's what's on the time sheets. He told Andrews that he worked for The Waverly which is an apartment building in downtown Orlando. I looked it up to see if it was a seniors building because SP wrote that he was working as a desk security guy in a building for old people. Oh I see here he wrote he was working for Fox Protective Service (no Security Forces). Like you, I'm curious as to what this is about.

He probably didn't want the people at Andrews to contact Security Forces but why not?

Yeah, why not? Many people look for another job while they still have a job. All you have to do is explain that you don't want your current employer to be contacted. It's a given in HR that you don't contact a current employer unless you're told it's okay by the applicant. But, maybe poor George just didn't realize that, after all he doesn't seem like the most worldly guy around.

 

[Just Jayla]

Yeah, why not? Many people look for another job while they still have a job. All you have to do is explain that you don't want your current employer to be contacted. It's a given in HR that you don't contact a current employer unless you're told it's okay by the applicant. But, maybe poor George just didn't realize that, after all he doesn't seem like the most worldly guy around.

Yes, it is normal, but maybe GA needed to take extraornidary precautions....is GA not a very reliable worker? Did he often skip out on work and make random side trips, telling his bosses that he ran into "traffic"....was GA a serial shirker?

 

[AZlawyer]

Evening folks,

Something has been bugging me and do not recall reading anything released so far and thought you guys might recall? ...

Where was George on Father's Day evening?

TIA

Working.

I'm confused about the Epass records. Looking at the link provided on p. 9, I only see two toll charges on July 14th and they're at 6:10 PM and 6:14 PM. Where are the ones at 4:00 - 4:15 pm?

You're absolutely right. I wrote it down wrong in my notes and then didn't recheck the link. So we have no data as to where he actually went between 3:45 - 6:15 pm on July 14 as he apparently didn't go through any tolls until almost the end of that period of time. Doesn't make sense for him to say he arrived back at the office at 6:15, though, if he was driving away from the office at the time... :waitasec:

But for sure it makes no sense to say there was an accident on the freeway barely any distance at all from his office, so he sat there for 2 hours before "turning around" to go back to the office by driving in the opposite direction from the office.

I have a feeling George's "I got stuck behind an accident" is like Casey's "my dad had a mini-stroke." George seems to have lots of excuses just like Casey...my spousal unit has need for personal medical tests that must be rectified on an emergency basis for the next 10 days, etc.

 

[Leila]

Good catch AZ!!!

After thinking he might have gone somewhere for a drink, or to an, ahem, gentleman's establishment, I had another idea. Maybe he went home unannounced specifically to spy on his daughter. I think he suspected she was coming in and taking things while they weren't there. I also think that anytime he approached Cindy with those thoughts, she talked or more likely texted Casey about it and Casey put all of the blame on George. Hence the, "I don't know who or what to believe anymore". They were obviously really worried about Caylee at that point. Maybe he thought he could catch her in the act like he did on the gas can day.

I think it's very possible that George often conducted his own investigations when he thought something was suspicious and needed to be checked out. Remember, he did a bit of investigation earlier in regards to Casey's job at the Sports Authority.

 

[Leila]

...or...perhaps something was left amiss at the house that CA noticed when she got home-a light on, a door open, something out on the counter. She had already suspected KC was lying about her whereabouts, as Lee had busted KC out earlier in the month (3rd or 4th of July) and GA busted KC at home when she was supposed to be in Tampa in June. CA suspected KC was coming in and out of the house. In fact, don't we know for sure that CA knew KC was in and out? Didn't CA say in one of her interviews that KC would come in and take clothes? Plus, don't tell me CA did not notice her food missing. I have to wonder if KC just took popsicles to make it look like she was taking stuff for Caylee.
It may just so happen that GA was really the one at home that day, but had his own reasons for being sneaky.
Very very worst case scenario is that KC and GA were meeting at the home to cover up Caylee's disappearance in some way, or that both were complicite in placing the body from the backyard down to Suburban...but I doubt that, really just a conspiracy theory that GA knew where Caylee was by then.
...hmmm...but was a stain in the HHR confirmed? Can we eliminate GA placing the body at Suburban? I still don't think so, but hafta put it out there.
If it is true that KC was doing regular drive-bys at that time (I am certain she did a drive by on July 1st), maybe she saw GA there-Though his car should have been in the garage as normal.
Brain gears on overdrive, keep sleuthing, people!

I've always felt that if George or anyone else helped Casey dispose of Caylee's remains, they wouldn't have simply tossed her remains around the corner from the house on Suburban Drive. Certainly George's law enforcement background would have made him think in terms of something more permanent and far away. I think he would have buried the remains in a location that's remote from the area and probably outside of Orlando. He would have thought about the remains being discovered and would have taken steps to prevent that.

The fact that Caylee's remains were found right around the corner from her home and not buried, has all the earmarks of Casey and Casey alone as having disposed of Caylee.

 

[Leila]

Evening folks,

Something has been bugging me and do not recall reading anything released so far and thought you guys might recall? ...

Where was George on Father's Day evening?

TIA

According to the early reports, George was working from about 3:00pm to 11:00pm on Father's Day. That's why he wasn't a witness to the fight between Cindy and Casey. That would have happened prior to his arrival home........some time after 11:00pm.

 

[LambChop]

Working.



You're absolutely right. I wrote it down wrong in my notes and then didn't recheck the link. So we have no data as to where he actually went between 3:45 - 6:15 pm on July 14 as he apparently didn't go through any tolls until almost the end of that period of time. Doesn't make sense for him to say he arrived back at the office at 6:15, though, if he was driving away from the office at the time... :waitasec:

But for sure it makes no sense to say there was an accident on the freeway barely any distance at all from his office, so he sat there for 2 hours before "turning around" to go back to the office by driving in the opposite direction from the office.

I have a feeling George's "I got stuck behind an accident" is like Casey's "my dad had a mini-stroke." George seems to have lots of excuses just like Casey...my spousal unit has need for personal medical tests that must be rectified on an emergency basis for the next 10 days, etc.

If he was looking for a new position maybe they called him for a final interview and wanted him to come in so he used the accident as an excuse. jmo

 

[Intermezzo]

Not sure where this goes, but do we know what additional medical tests George needed to assist Cindy with?
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf
page 166

"I would appreciate starting on Monday, July 7, 2008., instead of Tuesday, July 1, 2008. I have some personal matters that I need to rectify prior to my new career start. I hope that this is acceptable, as I need this opportunity to assist my spouse (wife) with some additional medical tests that I just found out about, will go into the week of June 30. to July 4. 2008."

Hmm. Weren't they pouring concrete?

Yes they worked on the patio/yard that week. Cindy was also on vacation.

 

[Intermezzo]

Not sure where this goes, but do we know what additional medical tests George needed to assist Cindy with?
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf
page 166

"I would appreciate starting on Monday, July 7, 2008., instead of Tuesday, July 1, 2008. I have some personal matters that I need to rectify prior to my new career start. I hope that this is acceptable, as I need this opportunity to assist my spouse (wife) with some additional medical tests that I just found out about, will go into the week of June 30. to July 4. 2008."

Hmm. Weren't they pouring concrete?

Additionally....does anyone else find it odd that he uses the term "spouse" and then qualifies it by stating "wife" in parentheses???? Who else would be a "spouse"?????????

AND he says he has personal matters to "rectify"...yet his next sentence talks about medical tests. How does one "rectify" medical tests?????? Rectify is to set right or to correct. Would George be able to set right or correct any medical tests????

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm nope.

I think George could have been talking of 2 different issues.

1) "personal matters he needed to rectify" could be about Casey and Caylee and trying to locate them.

2)"Assist his wife with additional medical tests" could be because Cindy turned 50yr in June and perhaps during her yearly exam she was asked to go for further testing and he was accompanying her

 

[Intermezzo]

Actually he was still working for Security Forces. His last day working for them was Friday, July 4th. It seems as if Georgie was lying. Oh, try not to act so shocked!

Plus, he didn't even mention the job at Security Forces at all on his application for Andrews but instead stated his last job ended Feb/08. Strange!

Thanks
I did not know that he was still at the previous job until July 4th.

 

[Intermezzo]

Yikes I didn't even notice this gap. I didn't see Security Forces except that's what's on the time sheets. He told Andrews that he worked for The Waverly which is an apartment building in downtown Orlando. I looked it up to see if it was a seniors building because SP wrote that he was working as a desk security guy in a building for old people. Oh I see here he wrote he was working for Fox Protective Service (no Security Forces). Like you, I'm curious as to what this is about.

He probably didn't want the people at Andrews to contact Security Forces but why not?

The Waverly is not a seniors residence but an apartment building renovated into a luxury high rise condo building in downtown Orlando overlooking Lake Eola that has a 24hr front lobby security desk and probably security walking the premises.

 

[Numbers]

I think George could have been talking of 2 different issues.

1) "personal matters he needed to rectify" could be about Casey and Caylee and trying to locate them.

2)"Assist his wife with additional medical tests" could be because Cindy turned 50yr in June and perhaps during her yearly exam she was asked to go for further testing and he was accompanying her

3) George is a practiced liar.

 

[kaRN]

Actually he was still working for Security Forces. His last day working for them was Friday, July 4th. It seems as if Georgie was lying. Oh, try not to act so shocked!

Plus, he didn't even mention the job at Security Forces at all on his application for Andrews but instead stated his last job ended Feb/08. Strange!

There's a certain arrogance to his letters to his new employer IMO. Like he thinks they're lucky to have him and he's doing them a favour working for low wage. Don't you tell a prospective employer at the interview of a conflict at home that would prevent you starting the minute they want you too? You negotiate starting dates with all kinds of positions I realize, but do you do it when all you've managed to secure in your mid fifties is entry level jobs usually performed by people brand new to the country?

I don't think GA works well with others and ICA's work ethic or lack of one was emulated after her Dad IMO.

 

[affinity]

There's a certain arrogance to his letters to his new employer IMO. Like he thinks they're lucky to have him and he's doing them a favour working for low wage. Don't you tell a prospective employer at the interview of a conflict at home that would prevent you starting the minute they want you too? You negotiate starting dates with all kinds of positions I realize, but do you do it when all you've managed to secure in your mid fifties is entry level jobs usually performed by people brand new to the country?

I don't think GA works well with others and ICA's work ethic or lack of one was emulated after her Dad IMO.

I have a vague recollection of seeing something about how Lee & KC laughed about their father and his ineptitude at holding and keeping a job. They thought of GA as a loser, etc (wish I could recall where this information came from)..but it makes some sense that they would "enjoy" running GA down, because GA had made such enormous errors (gambling, having to rely on CA's $$ etc). This observation may belong more in the family dynamic thread...but in reference to the above, GA had indeed "been somebody" in his life and taking lesser jobs couldn't have been easy...I'm sure he had to work with people who he felt were way beneath him--sort of like in "Paul Bart, Mall Cop". Not to say GA shouldn't have and couldn't have sucked it up to work at whatever he could get, but we all know that the entire family thinks they are better at everything than they are.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Yes, a very interesting thread. Thank you.

I knew that Rick and Shirley had said Cindy was speaking to them(well, she was telling her mother and then mother was telling Rick or Rick asked about it later), about custody of Caylee in conjunction with kicking Casey out of the house. IIRC, it is Rick who says Cindy was upset that Casey had taken Caylee and was being "spiteful" but she didn't think Caylee was in physical harm. I tend to agree with WSers who are saying that somewhere inside her, Cindy had some inkling of what Casey was capable of: she spoke to co-workers, her mother, told random friend of Casey's her daughter was a sociopath and when Amy told Cindy about her money and Casey, Cindy told her "you won't get that back."

I think Cindy used her family as much as they used her.

I hadn't seen this draft email until today. It is interesting re: George and his whereabouts. It is interesting that Casey would tell on George when she is involved in her own lies. Maybe she is hoping to make Cindy mad enough to leave George and give the house to Casey. In AH's interview she says Cindy states she "at one point" when she couldn't afford the mortgage payments she said she would move and give Casey the house. I think Casey grabbed onto that fantasy and didn't let go, even when Cindy stopped having that as part of her plans.

If my mom was mad at my dad, she would put him down in front of us. They fought in front of us, didn't try to hide it and pulled us into the fights. "Isn't your father stupid, kids? Tell your father he is stupid." Then, when my mother was mad at us she would mock us to our father, or (how we saw it)turn and be "his friend." I see this kind of dynamic here. One minute it is Cindy and her "girls" or us against George, then it switches and she is loyal to George again.

My dad would make side deals with us, "Don't tell mommy." It is this kind of dynamic I am reading into this family. Because I have had these experiences, I may just be doing that: reading into it but...

Shirley spoke about George being "up to something." She is giving the general information that some of the stuff people get into "is an addiction" and it's "not that easy" to "not do it again." She uses the examples of gambling and . George told LE he told Cindy he lost their money gambling but really he lost it in a internet scam. So, Shirley might have been told by Cindy that George had gambled their money away. If George is/was addicted to gambling or he would need to be near a computer to get his fix. Unless he gambles in other ways, gets his in other ways?

5/5/2008
Shirley P. (Cindy's Mom)

I am with you 100% in thinking Cindy is depressed. I am also thinking George is up to something that she has found out about??? You know gambling, and some of the other stuff people get into is an addiction and its not that easy to just walk away from it and not do it again.

If this is the case, Cindy needs to talk with a professional. Just telling her work friends etc. is not going to help her(you saying Casey cannot get along on her own, I am thinking Cindy couldn't either) she works so hard at work and at home and seems to be spinning her wheels. It is extremely hard to keep a beautiful home and all the expenses that go with it, on one persons salary. Even if George turned all his paycheck over to her, they still probably couldn't afford their life style as you well know, having no formal education he is not able to earn top salary.

I know you are worried about her and so am I. You know what, people that keep everything bottled up inside of them do sometimes?? They can see no way out.
(end)

I found the "no way out" remark as alarming. Is she referring to suicide?

I was wondering if we have information on the Anthony home computer for the 14th. I pulled up the thread "Anthony computer forensics" but it is a large thread, I was just wondering if the information is there at all. Don't want to look that long for info others know we don't have... TIA.

This email is from May of 2008, and it is about George. The Anthonys had/have serious marriage "issues." Like someone said, the longer this goes on the more of this will come out. This was not a happy marriage, Casey wrote in a email, "not living at home for the last nine days. DRAAMA.

These are deceitful people living lives together but separate from each other. I get so lost in these lies, it is no wonder they cannot keep them straight. If everything about you is a lie, or everything you tell those closest to you is a lie(even small details)...I don't know how it all could stay together for so long except that each one is involved in doing so. That's why the "protection" and "support" of Casey. They have to and want to keep those lies going, not for any real or practical reason is my guess, but for the pure fact that people who weave these kinds of lies don't ever want to fess up. They love for the lies to continue and they love to add to those lies. (inmyhumble).

This family is united. Don't worry I won't tell. Casey is protecting the family. I have seen these families. They call child protective services on each other, there is incest/abuse in their family, they will say THE most horrible things about each other and to each other but then if they feel an outsider is threatening the "family" they go into this mode of being on each others side. I think Lee is the perfect example of this, he seems to be staying away finally someone mad at Casey but then he says, "I love you" at the hearing and went on the cruise.

No honor among(these) thieves.

Sorry to babble on, this is stuff that has been running around in my head...mostly I am asking if we have any information on computer usage for the 14th? Regardless, all information points to a very unhappy Anthony home for many years, and before Caylee was born. Caylee was a pawn in this family and whatever love George and Cindy felt for Caylee wasn't enough to overcome their own selfishness. IMHO.

I don't think George had anything to do with hurting Caylee or the disposal but he may have had more than an idea(as did Cindy)that Casey was unstable(he knew about her not having a job and said she has always had issues)but because of his own scams and lies he didn't do what was needed to help Caylee. I think the same of Cindy: all smoke and no fire, and this draft along with the Myspace entry, etc show deep concern yet we all know there was no (actual)action(s) taken, EVER or at any point on baby Caylee's behalf.

Put all of Cindy's wonderings regarding Caylee from this draft and the Myspace page and(maybe in hindsight)it sounds like she knew Caylee was dead. You can see how maybe her unconscious self knew. IMHO.

...JS...

 

[Pondering Mind]

There's a certain arrogance to his letters to his new employer IMO. Like he thinks they're lucky to have him and he's doing them a favour working for low wage. Don't you tell a prospective employer at the interview of a conflict at home that would prevent you starting the minute they want you too? You negotiate starting dates with all kinds of positions I realize, but do you do it when all you've managed to secure in your mid fifties is entry level jobs usually performed by people brand new to the country?

I don't think GA works well with others and ICA's work ethic or lack of one was emulated after her Dad IMO.

bbm~

Wasn't there though? It struck me as very odd that it appeared after he was hired..he tried to get $12.50 hourly instead of the $12.00...and then during a different email asked for something in writing regarding his pay..

I'm all for trying to make as much as you can..but we are talking about a security job here, (no offense to anyone) not some position as a CEO or something. Unless I missed it, I never did see if the $12.50 was agreed to. I also noticed on his resume (I believe that's where I saw it!) that he could only work Mon-Fri..which of course IS NOT the hours he ended up working..but it made me think..George is quite full of himself as well...

 

[countzero]

Ya know my daddy, who was a wonderful wise person, once told me that there were two points in judging a mans worth of his character:

How he manages his money, and how he treats his mama. Run fast in the opposite direction if either is negative.

While we haven't heard a peep from GAs parents or relatives ... their silence speaks volumes on George's moral compass.

They knew; they all knew prior to the 911 calls. Just as CAs and GAs extended families know.