Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[MAMABEAR]

None of this crap would be coming out if they had said, "no comment", when a mike was put in their faces. They leave clues all over the place. Unreal.

We're gittin closer------on so many levels.

 

[MAMABEAR]

CA writtin this email---washin clothes---having nervous breakdown---way to early for one.

You have GA over in the first interview---pukin.
Why? Did he touch his dead g/b? Was it the smell on the 24th. Is that why he can's hear the word-------->remains.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Same kind of chat here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3555336#post3555336

Gittin strange here. HMMMMMMMMM.

 

[ibyoungr]

I posted this on the Cindy/Casey fight thread. Thought it might be helpful here. Casey did spend the morning with her and was home by 7:46 PM. However, once she got home she went into a serious text fest with Ric and Tony. It appears she stops for 12 minutes around the 9 o'clock hour.. probably to help mom put Caylee to bed.

June 5th Cindy's birthday...
The night before Casey takes Tony, Clint and Maria to celebrate Troy's birthday with Amy, Ric and Troy. She is back at Tony's by 1:25 AM and leaves his place by 3:42 AM.
@3:58 AM Casey texts Troy Brown Casey is now home
@3:59 AM Casey texts Tony
Casey gets 3 hours of sleep….ZZZZZ
June 5th Casey wakes up at the Anthony home after a long night before.
@7:12 AM Tony texts Casey
@7:22 AM Tony texts Casey 49 minute break.. Is Caylee awake?
@8:11 AM Tony texts Casey. Casey does not respond to his text. 70 minute break (Caylee time and wishes her mom a HBday)
@9:21 AM Rick texts Casey
@9:36 AM Casey texts Tony
@9:36 – 10:40 AM For the next hour, Casey is keeping both Tony and Ric..texting her…
@10:40 AM Casey calls Ric
@10:41 AM Casey texts Tony
@10:42 AM Tony calls Casey and talks for 19 minutes.. 69 minute break..
Casey is probably showering and getting ready for “work” and leaving while Cindy watches Caylee for the day. Cindy watched Caylee this week.
11:44 – 11:50 AM Casey calls Tony while she is near Ricardo’s apt. Casey is also texting Ric which would mean he is at work. He stated in his interview that he works from 11 AM to 8 PM.
58 minutes go by with no phone activity. She is near the Amscot… Tony is not in class this week.

June 5th around noon.. Casey is on her way to Tony’s
12:49 PM Casey gets a VM message while she is pinging at or near Tony’s
1:02 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg.
1:28 PM Casey calls Casey
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell phone
1:30 PM Casey calls her mom’s cell again
1:31 PM Casey calls the Anthony Home
1:36 PM Casey calls Casey again and then a VM Message cleared happens
1:43 PM Casey gets a Yahoo msg while at Tony’s
91 minute break.. time for some nooky with Tony???
3:15 PM VM message waiting
3:32 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 1 minute pings near FUSION
3:51 PM Anthony home is calling Casey
3:52 PM Casey calls Anthony home and talks 4 minute pings near Fusion and Waterford Ale
3:54 PM DRF dealership calls Casey
98 minute break..
5:31 PM Casey checks VM
5:55 PM Casey gets a call from DRF
5:56- 6:02 VM message, Yahoo message
6:18 PM Casey calls VM… Casey is back near Tony’s Apt.
6:55 PM Anthony home calls Casey 2 minute call
6:59 PM Ric calls Casey she lets it go to VM
7:15 PM Ric texts Casey
7:15 PM Casey calls the Anthony home for 5 minutes
7:21 PM Casey calls Ric (she is at Tony’s apt)
7:25 PM Jesse G calls Casey and talks for 13 minutes
7:45 PM Casey texts Ric Casey is pinging at home
Casey may have spent some time with mom but not quality time she was texting hot and heavy.

Another text fest between Casey/Ric and Casey/Tony goes on until 9:33 when she takes a 12 minute break.
Grandma must be taken care of Caylee’s bedtime. Cindy mentioned she likes to rock Caylee to sleep at night in her Aug 1 interveiw.
Texting continues between Ric and Casey very heavily…
10:58 PM Tony calls Casey and they talk for 32 minute
Casey texts with Rick and Tony until 1:32 PM she gets in 1 text with Jesse Grund texting Casey
1:32 AM Casey goes to sleep 5.5 hours at the Anthony home.

June 3rd Casey stayed close to home and texts Amy at one point about taking her mom out to dinner. Pings could possibly support this.

 

[NSS]

Does anyone think this may be the email that was sent to Kathy B in error?

Remember, Kathy sent in onto the FBI ..

If this were the misaddressed email, we likely will see the entire content (at some point) not just a fragment retrieved from the Anthonys computer.

 

[miimaa]

I haven't found anywhere that we really discussed this...the following appears as a deleted file in the computer forensics report http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/11.pdf p. 2 (no apparent date information):

can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre

There's so much to discuss here, and so many theories that could be affected by this "testimony" from Cindy if you go through it sentence by sentence. I suppose it must have been written close to the time they caught up with KC, since she says it's been over a month already.

Very interesting.... Cindy said she was in daily contact with KC from June 16th. Another lie.

 

[faefrost]

CA writtin this email---washin clothes---having nervous breakdown---way to early for one.

You have GA over in the first interview---pukin.
Why? Did he touch his dead g/b? Was it the smell on the 24th. Is that why he can's hear the word-------->remains.

Honestly, I am convinced that George saw what he now knows to have been the bag in the trunk of KC's car during the gas can incident. It probably haunted him for a long time once it was determined that the smell of the death in the car was not KC herself, which according to some of his testimony was what he initially expected. note, note suspected or feared. expected! That tells you right there what he knew of his daughters life.

 

[debs]

Honestly, I am convinced that George saw what he now knows to have been the bag in the trunk of KC's car during the gas can incident. It probably haunted him for a long time once it was determined that the smell of the death in the car was not KC herself, which according to some of his testimony was what he initially expected. note, note suspected or feared. expected! That tells you right there what he knew of his daughters life.

I could be mistaken, but I think in his interviews with LE, he made the statement about saying a little prayer "please don't let it be my granddaughter." I don't recall him mentioning praying it wasn't Casey . I'll have to check again.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I could be mistaken, but I think in his interviews with LE, he made the statement about saying a little prayer "please don't let it be my granddaughter." I don't recall him mentioning praying it wasn't Casey . I'll have to check again.

Yes, thats what he said in the interview with LE. Then when he had his interview with the FBI he added his daughter to that sentence. The Script changes. They knew it wasn't KC.

 

[Friday]

I don't know. from reading this letter of cindy's, I'm not hearing that she believed KC at all.

I think it's clear from at least the July 3rd myspace post, there was something worrying Cindy to the point that she felt she needed to make such a potentially incriminating public statement to reach KC. Remember, Cindy does not like the world to know that there is anything wrong in that home or with her daughter. She could have sent it in an email.

I think the "I'd rather see my daughter dead than with you..." suggestion sounds extremely plausible. I believe that Cindy did bring up the custody threat that night, and KC had to trump that threat in some way to put this extremely dominating woman (Cindy) into a very submissive mode.

If that's the type of exchange that Cindy had with KC before Caylee went "missing", I think, deep down, she had always had some awareness of something being very wrong regarding her daughter's mental health (sociopath comment). Cindy, in her darkest moments, may have considered KC being capable of doing the unthinkable (especially if that is the type of comment KC had thrown out after Cindy's threat).

I think this message was intentionally crafted as a plea to KC:

Evoke pity (for Cindy) with her unravelling emotional state
Requesting pictures of, or hearing the voice of Caylee (proof of life)
Testing of KC about her "job" situation, people she was with (Jeff)/location and the thing with George.
Ultimately the "I've tried not to bug you to death" illustrates the trepidation she was feeling about "pushing" KC into doing something (if she hadn't already) that Cindy felt KC clearly was capable of doing.

I think Cindy (subconsiously at the least) knew that KC was capable of doing something catastrophic. This letter tells me that she was struggling internally between wanting to hear her daughter allay those fears while not provoking KC any further while she was out of Cindy's control.

What stands out most to me in this letter, is Cindy's demeanor. The Cindy we see on TV, would be raging at KC by this time for taking away her control. Instead, she is almost.... meek? She had to be afraid of something much more than KC moving out...

Re my bold: Possibly, but this is the "same Cindy" we've seen during all the jail visits.

 

[ajurk]

as far as the time thing, a month, over a month... i think people are looking too much into that. i have a very bad concept of time, i would probably call two weeks a month. i think she was generalizing, i doubt she pulled out a calander to be accurate.
also, i thought she talked to KC everyday...i can not wait until the trial. they are going to tear CA to eff'ing pieces.
but this does make me feel bad for her. i dont think there were any red flags that caylee was not OK (well maybe one, but i will come back to that later). i think that CA thought that KC was keeping caylee away from her to punish her. i think that they only started to lie because the family did not want anyone to know that they were not perfect. they did not want anyone to know that CA and KC got into a fight and KC pretty much ran away with caylee. then i think that lies just started to spiral out of control to the point where they can not stop lying. i also think that CA really thought that KC had a job.
the one thing that i am not sure about as far as red flags or has been talked to death or not... im assuming that KC was slipping back into the house and grabbing clothes when no one was home. did she ever grab any of caylee's clothes, just to keep up the appearance that caylee was still with her? that would be something that i am sure CA would notice. if she saw that KC's clothes were missing, but none of caylee's clothes, then i would say she had a red flag.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Was in the first interview about KC takin stuff out of the house of hers and not Caylee's. I just can't member if it was with CA or GA or both. And you know they noticed the food being missin.

 

[Intermezzo]

Very interesting.... Cindy said she was in daily contact with KC from June 16th. Another lie.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia anthony.pdf
Starting Pg 14

Cindy stated in a meeting with Cpl Edwards that she had begun texting more during June and July. That voice conversations between her and Casey was minimal (obviously Casey did not wish to speak with Cindy) and texting increased and Cindy left Casey voicemails.

Maybe the increase in texting and voicemails are what Cindy considers daily contact. Just sayin

 

[LCoastMom]

My question is, Why do they continue to stand beside her and support her? It just makes them look foolish and gullible.

Or desperate...

I'm thinking if the Anheiser Busch deal was announced July 14, and given that this document starts "can't sleep," it was probably prepared in the middle of the night on July 14-15, the day before George finally picked up the certified letter and they found the car and tracked down KC. Thus, the reference to George working 9 am-6:30 pm might have been regarding his new job that he just started that day (July 14). I'll have to check George's EPass records for that day.

KC did get a "myspace alert" on her cell phone at 11:30 pm on July 14th, followed by a call from the Anthony house that she let roll over to voice mail (but no message was left), followed by another "myspace alert" at 12:12 am. I wonder if this "can't sleep" message was one of the myspace alerts?

I thought way back when, this was posted on KC's MySpace acct. It was before anyone cleaned it up while she was in jail the 1st time and the note originally read "I had a breakdown at work today"....

 

[LCoastMom]

This is what Lee refers to in his convo with KC from jail. "...stuff you've been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks."
CA was living a nightmare. My granddaughter (same age as Caylee) has lived in my home with her father for 90 percent of her life. I can imagine exactly what CA was going through. What I don't understand is what prevented her from finding KC earlier? I see from her statement that she's trying not to bug KC to death. Is that what kept her from seeking KC out earlier? Why? I would have been all over the world to find my son and granddaughter had he done this to me. Bug him or not, I would have found him and a lot sooner than a month later. How long would this have gone on if the car hadn't been towed? I don't understand. Red flags everywhere and she was trying not to "bug" KC?

Reading this makes me think CA really did believe KC was working. I thought she probably suspected she wasn't working but chose to ignore it. Or, was she just testing KC because she knew she didn't work at Universal?

Cindy is well aware of what pushed KC away (at least she thinks she is) she was trying to give KC time to cool down and come home on her own. That didn't work and now panic has set in.

I believe KC originally thought she had until Caylee's BDay to figure out what she was going to say to her folks or get out of town. She didn't realize they were going to make such a big deal out of 4th of July and Cindy has been in panic mode ever since.

Realistically this would have gone on until the gparents discovered Caylee was gone, fate just tipped KC's hand by the car being towed instead of stolen. (Honestly, how KC could think anyone would steal that stench on wheels is beyond me.)

Cindy had to believe all the lies or none of the lies, how could she pick and choose when KC was being truthful?

Or we have the same situation as the story of the picture taken at Zany's, Cindy is feeding KC info to see if she gives the right answer unfortunately at the jail Cindy caved and told KC she knew where the picture was taken before KC had a chance to lie (again).

After reading how truly upset Cindy was at this time,
I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't have tracked down "Zanny" with the number & address that KC had given her as she "claimed" to John Morgan.

I can't see her sitting by idly for a month if she had the "nanny's" info.

There's always the possibility she tried and found the addresses were no good, in her mind that would just show KC was telling the truth; Zany was gone with no forwarding address.

 

[LCoastMom]

I remember there was a show maybe GVS where cindy was in her kitchen? and she did discuss calling phone numbers that she was given but then would realize it was some neighbor or someone the family knew on the other end. I don't think I'm making this up. It was early on.
Also don't you think cindy would have called the Grunds or the neighbor girl Christine? at one point to ask if they have seen Casey lately? It's not like she did not have any of Caseys friends phone or couldn't get them.

Lee was calling the numbers KC gave him or had in her phone, one of her friends was listed twice; by her name and by the name Juliette. When Lee called he reached one of the friends he had talked to earlier that day and she recognized his voice when he asked for JL.

The notice you receive never tells you who it is from. You don't know who it is from until you go to the Post Office and sign for it. Once you sign, you get the letter that shows who it is from. But not before.

I have one sitting in my purse right now that clearly says IRS.

 

[Mind student]

JMO: KC has controlled her entire family for years through threats and intimidation. When Caylee came along she became her Mom's ACE card. Even though the family knows the truth, a threat of "involment" hangs over each one's head. If all the lies were to save their daughter, just imagine having to live in the same house with KC again! (This is truly one of the darkest and sadest stories of a family, I have ever heard.)
Mindstudent

 

[Sundance]

<snipped>
Cindy had to believe all the lies or none of the lies, how could she pick and choose when KC was being truthful?
<snipped>

I found it interesting that in the August police interview with Shirley P., she said the following:

Excerpt from Shirley P.’s August Police Interview
YM = Yuri Melich
SP = Shirley P.
SB = Scott Bolin
JA = John Allen

YM: Casey’s been stealing a lot of money from family. Casey’s been, been, uhm, kind of out of control in respects to that. And that first night that she was arrested Cindy told me she needs to be in jail. She needs to go to jail. That’s where she needs to be because uh, she was becoming uncontrollable. On top of that, she hadn’t seen her granddaughter, your great-granddaughter, in, in over thirty days. So it went from that to, and then this is one of the reason I wanted to talk to you. You’re Cindy’s mom.

SP: Uh-hum (affirmative).

YM: If anyone knows your daughter it’s going to be you

SP: Yes

YM: And . . .

SP: She would give her life for Caylee.

YM: And . . .

SP: So start right there.

YM: there is no question about that.

SB: Absolutely

YM: No question . . .

JA: Right.

YM: . . . about that. But my concern is, and I’m sure you’ve heard her on the news, and you’ve heard her, you know, her stories have changed from, from the day that she first talked to me, the day I first went to the house. That night when I had to call her and tell her that her daughter was being arrested, her story from that day changed up until today. It, it, it’s, it’s become progressively to help . . .

SP: Defend her.

YM: . . . Casey and defend Casey.

SP: You know what? She’s out of control for one reason. If she doesn’t believe Casey then Caylee’s dead. Honest to God that’s my feeling. If she could not believe Casey, believe in Casey, she’d have to accept the fact that Cay… Caylee might be dead, or would be dead, or whatever. That’s, that’s the honest to God feeling I got and I’ve had it since she got out of control.​

I think Shirley P may be the only one in the whole family that has common sense. And I think she is absolutely on the money with this statment.

 

[Clock's Tickin]

I think panic didn't really set in until the car was picked up from the tow yard. They all believed that KC was just being her vindictive, spoiled self by punishing them keeping Caylee away while she "went to Jax with Jeff" or "worked and left the baby with Zanny". A lot of what we'd like to read as twisted plot, really was happenstance. KC is a liar, born and bred. Cindy "handles" her just as she did when KC was a child. Unfortunately, as KC grew, so did her abilities to manipulate. She outfoxed her Momma this time...for a month or so, anyway.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I found it interesting that in the August police interview with Shirley P., she said the following:

SP: Defend her.

YM: . . . Casey and defend Casey.

SP: You know what? She’s out of control for one reason. If she doesn’t believe Casey then Caylee’s dead. Honest to God that’s my feeling. If she could not believe Casey, believe in Casey, she’d have to accept the fact that Cay… Caylee might be dead, or would be dead, or whatever. That’s, that’s the honest to God feeling I got and I’ve had it since she got out of control.[/INDENT]

I think Shirley P may be the only one in the whole family that has common sense. And I think she is absolutely on the money with this statment.

Very respectfully snipped. About the comment from SP, "If she doesn't believe Casey then Caylee's dead"...I truly believed this was the case w/ Cindy before the remains were found. I did think she was trying to deny the fact that Caylee was gone. After December 11th though, Cindy has continued with her defense of Casey, Caylee is no longer a factor. I have to think that Cindy, for whatever reason, is bound and determined to defend her daughter and it's been that way since the beginning, or soon after. I do respect SP though and I know she was telling the truth in her statement, I just think she may have been mistakingly giving Cindy too much credit.