Cleaning crew member shot and killed on porch after arriving at the wrong house

[MrsWatson]

I agree with other posters; "Hispanic" looking people were the Noriega Cartel, to him and he was eager to exercise his castle doctrine rights. Shooting through a locked door BEFORE calling LE, including having a "safe room" in the house, negates the argument, imo.

 

[scapa]

Interestingly, a neighbor posted on our neighborhood website that a man had walked directly into her house because they had forgotten to lock their doors. It was a case of a mistaken home. He thought he was entering a friend’s house. As you can imagine, all the comments underneath her post were about how fortunate he was that nobody shot him and killed him.

This is still very much on our neighbors minds because our neighborhood is about 10 miles away from where the murder occurred.

Yikes -- well done to stranger and homeowner for the happy outcome and to you for underlining the dystopic awfulness -- in the wake of this thread's horrors -- of being grateful that a person innocently lost avoided being fatally shot by an anxious homeowner.

And thanks be that not every homeowner sits terrified and expectant in their castle just waiting for the chance to defend it unto someone else's death.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It would seem that Ryan Homes messed up. They just finished the model home, and it is a very new development. So obviously, nothing yet gets on Google Maps, there are probably no signs, and no one at Ryan Homes thinks that people in the neighborhood should be warned about potential confusions. So between Ryan Homes and the cleaning company, miscommunication happened. It still doesn’t explain shooting through the door, it is on Andersen, but as the result, a cleaner on the receiving end lost her life.

Potentially, Ryan Homes should have contacted Andersen’s HOA, if there is one.

I feel like regardless of all of the above, only one person is responsible for this crime and that's the shooter. Most decent human beings don't shoot through a closed door. New builds happen all over the country and they're often not in GPS and there aren't always signs, in my experience. This very rarely happens. What makes it go from inconvenient to homicide is the shooter. It feels like (to me) placing additional blame my dilute the blame that belongs on the shooter's shoulders.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I have a feeling that people with "safe rooms" tend to employ the following math:

- Unknown individuals (+) Hispanics = Narco terrorists.

Of course, as hundreds of thousands of deceased people in Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras can testify, Narco Terrorists are very real. Narco terrorists, however, are very rare in the United States.

In fairness, there are legitimate reasons to have a safe room. If you've been the victim of a home invasion or if your life has been threatened by someone still at large, it makes sense to have a safe room for your family.

I don't know what this guy's story is, but I don't think his killing an innocent woman should tarnish the idea of safe rooms for people who may need or want them.

MOO.

 

[PrairieWind]

In regards to the safe room, where was this room and what did it consist of?

 

[tlcya]

In regards to the safe room, where was this room and what did it consist of?

so far all we know is what is contained in the PC affidavit found at this link https://www.indystar.com/story/news...EHCvGF_zFqCFjvsiD0_aem_rPn8KfMJ1FFjTVfE0azdQQ

Safe Room was his term for the room/space. It was in the upper (second) story of the home and it was where Anderson kept his weapon, presumably the room features locks but beyond that we don't know.

 

[Cryptic]

In fairness, there are legitimate reasons to have a safe room. If you've been the victim of a home invasion or if your life has been threatened by someone still at large,

All good points and well taken. Though I did say “tend to” instead of an absolute term like “will” presume Hispanics are inherently threatening”, I did go a little “younger in cheek” and your point needs to be made.

In the end, as you stated, having a safe room does not always mean feverishly hunkering in a bunker waiting for the inevitable arrival of the cartel, Hamas, the mossad, Crips etc.

Rather it could indicate a single mother in a custody dispute with an abusive ex.

 

[Trino]

Not even under home detention

Bottom line. He's a White guy

I agree with other posters; "Hispanic" looking people were the Noriega Cartel, to him and he was eager to exercise his castle doctrine rights. Shooting through a locked door BEFORE calling LE, including having a "safe room" in the house, negates the argument, imo.

Bottom line: White guy kills a Hispanic.

 

[Charlot123]

Though I imagine Ryan Homes will be sued- then settle for the standard "undislosed amount" as they have the relatively deep pockets and filing lawsuits is easy, I would find them clearly negligent for lacking a crystal ball.

In the end nobody can anticipate any and all possible bad events (Have buyers been advised about a potential Plane crash from an amateur pilot trying to land at the nearby county airport?). A requirement that residents be advised not to shoot any confused cleaners, neighbors, kids using short cuts, drivers in a drive way, delivery drivers etc. might not be reasonable.

Putting this criminally and civilly entirely on the shooter.

Agree. No one’s first morning move should be to shoot through the closed door.

 

[IceIce9]

Bottom line. He's a White guy

Bottom line: White guy kills a Hispanic.

Just imagine if it happened to be the other way around.

JMO

 

[MrsWatson]

TLDR: Homeowner shoots cleaning lady who was at the wrong house through a closed door, before calling 911.

Seems very clear to me this was a homicide and castle doctrine does not apply.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Why? You find relevance in her citizenship status?

No . I’m sorry the quote to what I was replying to didn’t link. Wasn’t responding to the last few posts. I’ll try linking again. So sorry

 

[Charlot123]

As an aside: American citizenship is not a requirement to sue for an injury under the 14th Amendment. And citizenship is often inadmissible anyway, because it is irrelevant to the actions that caused harm. If it is admissible, it comes in under lost wages but this varies.

Oh believe me, 2nd Amendment defense atty Guy Relford WILL get Maria’s non citizen status in the case, starting with void dire. Boone County is exactly the county venue he wants. All the staunch republicans

Another way to look at it: as US tourists, we expect local laws to protect us in any country. There may be unsafe places, but most of the world lives by the same law, don’t kill, without any stipulations. Anywhere, definitely in the US, any murder should be prosecuted under full and equal law. This is what ultimately permits us all to be safe. This is why we are unafraid to travel, be it Midwest or Deep South. No one expects to be profiled, judged or killed.

 

[tlcya]

meanwhile, this happened elsewhere Maryland Man Points Gun at 12-Year-Old Christmas Carolers Who Knocked on His Door

What on earth is wrong with folks?