VERDICT WATCH Closing Arguments- Chase Merritt Charged W/Murder of Joseph, Summer, Gianni and Joe Jr McStay

[la2cabo]

I am the same ;-) I can't vote either lol I said I would be in the fetal position in the corner not wanting to decide.

Do you think you'll ever decide or should we start sending pacifiers your way?

 

[citygirl]

I am the same ;-) I can't vote either lol I said I would be in the fetal position in the corner not wanting to decide.

How will you feel if it is a hung jury?
How will you feel if it is a guilty verdict?

 

[la2cabo]

I voted. I only post occasionally.

With you being an attorney I would be very interested to hear your thoughts.

 

[mrjitty]

I voted. I only post occasionally.

What did you think about defence counsel violating judges ruling about not commenting on failure to call Dk?

Seemed like a flagrant contempt?

Not sure how seriously such things are taken in Cali

 

[Lilibet]

Right. Some of us were here at the beginning and popped in & out throughout the years, and have come back to see the denouement of these horrid murders. It's been over 9 years since the Mcstay case began - but today it feels like yesterday.

Yes, I have watched this case on and off since the beginning, but I haven’t posted on these threads in years. I happened to be in San Diego when the McStays disappeared and it feels both like yesterday and a lifetime ago. There have been many, many theories over the years (even before they were found) ranging from the Mexican Mafia to DK to his brother Michael to Summer to Joey’s ex-wife’s husband and on and on. My carefully considered vote that CM is the guilty party was #90. I only voted once.

 

[gitana1]

Repeated commitment of fallacy of Diversion. The original issue was CM's crying or not crying. Is he supposed to cry? Either way, those committing the Confirmation Bias say it confirms his alleged guilt.

I disagree wholeheartedly with your stance in this case. But I understand what you're saying here.

You stated he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't because when he did cry, it was considered phony but when he didn't cry people said it was because he loathes the family.

The response was not responsive to what you stated. It was an end run around your point rather than addressing it directly, which is frustrating in a discussion. Because whether or not you believe he loathed the family has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make - that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

But I will respond to your post. Yes. He is damned either way but mostly because both can be true. He can be a phony, self-serving dramatist and squeak out a few tears when he feels it's necessary, or cry for his own skin, and he can also refrain from crying real tears for the family I believe he murdered and wanted gone.

 

[asyousay]

I disagree wholeheartedly with your stance in this case. But I understand what you're saying here.

You stated he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't because when he did cry, it was considered phony but when he didn't cry people said it was because he loathes the family.

The response was not responsive to what you stated. It was an end run around your point rather than addressing it directly, which is frustrating in a discussion. Because whether or not you believe he loathed the family has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make - that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

But I will respond to your post. Yes. He is damned either way but mostly because both can be true. He can be a phony, self-serving dramatist and squeak out a few years when he feels it's necessary, or cry for his own skin, and he can also refrain from crying real tears for the family I believe he murdered and wanted gone.

Wonderful post

 

[gitana1]

What did you think about defence counsel violating judges ruling about not commenting on failure to call Dk?

Seemed like a flagrant contempt?

Not sure how seriously such things are taken in Cali

They might get sanctioned. But it's more likely they will be yelled at in chambers and that will be that.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, I have watched this case on and off since the beginning, but I haven’t posted on these threads in years. I happened to be in San Diego when the McStays disappeared and it feels both like yesterday and a lifetime ago. There have been many, many theories over the years (even before they were found) ranging from the Mexican Mafia to DK to his brother Michael to Summer to Joey’s ex-wife’s husband and on and on. My carefully considered vote that CM is the guilty party was #90. I only voted once.

I think we can only post once. It only lets you change your vote. Not add a new one.

 

[DTPeke]

nm I see it

you said all you need is a driver's license - is that a valid travel document?

btw I could do without the lecture

With or without a passport I am not sure he would get into Canada

Can I Go to Canada with a Felony?
Any American that has a felony conviction on their criminal record may not be permitted entry into Canada unless they have received special permission from the Canadian government. Even if the conviction happened 20+ years ago, foreign nationals with a felony may never be deemed rehabilitated by the passage of time and risk being denied entry at the Canadian border even decades later. The Canadian border has full access to all the criminal record databases in the United States, so anyone who has been convicted of a felony will very likely be flagged at the border.

Entering Canada with a Felony - Travel to Canada with Felony

 

[missy1974]

Maybe if there wasn't a bias against LE, you could have voted?

Or if the prosecution proved their case to me, I could have voted It has nothing to do with LE. You don't know me, you don't know how or what I think of LE. A few years back I was probably more trusting of the system as a whole, but one of the things I have learned here at WS's and with all the cases I follow is that even if you are 100% innocent, protect your rights and don't speak to LE before a lawyer or without a lawyer.. is that being biased, or is that being smart?

And I could vote, but the way it's worded, I don't think it would necessarily be representative. I don't have a strong feeling either way, as I stated before. If I was voting on how I think the jury would vote, I think it could be a hung jury, but that's not an option in that poll, and I understand it to be a personal opinion poll. Again, such is life LOL I was just supporting a fellow poster that also felt like they were still not sure.

 

[ilovewings]

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.

I hope this helps

It does---thank you

 

[smr]

*Raises hand: I read but rarely post on this thread , I voted

Me too!!

How much of the trial have you watched?

 

[Chelly]

My original post contains a link explaining the criteria. My opinion about MR stands and I'm done with arguing the issue.

Good

 

[mrjitty]

According to this Canadian government page, you do need a passport when crossing from the U.S. to Canada.

Crossing the border: documents you need - Canada.ca

This is for immigration. So I think I they are referring to other documentation kids might have

For us citizens on the land border this appears to be the situation


For entry to Canada, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) stipulates that all persons entering or re-entering the U.S. from Canada by car must have a passport or one of the following WHTI-compliant documents: the Trusted Traveler’s Cards such as Nexus; state-issued enhanced driver’s licenses, Enhanced Tribal Orders, U.S. military ID with travel orders, U.S. Merchant Mariner Document when traveling on official maritime business, Native American Tribal Photo ID card or Form I-872 American Indian Card. Because international relations are volatile, a passport is currently the only surefire document.

If you have an Enhanced Driver's License, bear in mind that not all border crossings have the capability to read them.

All re-entry to the United States requires proof of citizenship (passports work for this) and, if applicable, proof of right of residency.

Our advice: Get a passport. It's the one document, it seems, that no border guard will refuse if it's valid, and it's useful to keep one around as identification during your non-vacation life. You'll also need a passport if you're flying into either country—no driver licenses are accepted as proper identification when you fly internationally.

 

[smr]

It is logical when the Mojave Desert is your backyard.

Another fallacy of Diversion. The "CM is guilty" camp alleges the gravesite was close to where he lives/was familiar with, not just the vast desert. It's not the entire Mojave Desert. So he alleged murder the victims hundreds of miles away, then drove them essentially "home" to bury them.

 

[la2cabo]

It does---thank you

I'm happy the poster was able to help. I wasn't trying to be rude in suggesting you google the term, I thought reading different examples might help as they did for me. I hope you didn't take my response the wrong way.

 

[mom2chloe]

I know! Spent an awful lot of time with them when he had 3 children of his own. He even allegedly knew their night time habits. Joseph kept the window open, Joseph left the light on all night, Summer put Digger in the laundry room. What real man would even notice this stuff?
I bet LE could barely keep a straight face when he was interviewed. Maybe he didn't do this but he sure is a nosy old lady.
MOO.

He was stalking them either inside or outside their home. Maybe both and who knows for how long. IMHO this also goes to premeditation. Creepy!

 

[Meemaw12]

Yes, we all created multiple fake accounts so we can cast multiple guilty votes. You got us!

Oh my LOL too funny

 

[QueenBofOB]

It is logical when the Mojave Desert is your backyard.

And you probably had the graves already pre-dug. Makes sense to ME.