CLUES: how to find Susan

[dovebar]

Maybe they were ALL JP, typing under various pseudonyms.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Vernal does not seem like a likely direction to me, though. In snow, Parley's Summit is the very last place one would want to drive. It might not even be passable in that weather.

Or am I wrong about how you'd get there?

From the house on Sarah Circle you would go on Chowning [sp] then on to 3500S and take one of the roads, Redwood or 215 that feeds into 80 where Parleys is. You then go up Parleys to the turn off for Park City. The problem with Parleys is there are so many traffic cameras and he would have been seen on there. Also, any ice would have made Parleys difficult to drive, especially in a mini van.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Maybe they were ALL JP, typing under various pseudonyms.

I'm sure some were him or steve before he went to the greybar hotel. What we are seeing now, some may have been his sister AP. IMHO. [I'll leave it at that right now]

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Thank you to Jacie Estes and Dovebar...from your information I did some research, and I just took a delightful 5 1/2 min. virtual road trip through Parley's Summit into Park City by highway!

In the video the weather was sunny with some clouds, and the roads were clear, so the conditions were not what JP and his boys would have witnessed.

Gorgeous country! I have seen a lot of Utah...most times taking the 15 vertical route. So I haven't seen this part of Utah! :seeya:

 

[Jacie Estes]

Thank you to Jacie Estes and Dovebar...from your information I did some research, and I just took a delightful 5 1/2 min. virtual road trip through Parley's Summit into Park City by highway!

In the video the weather was sunny with some clouds, and the roads were clear, so the conditions were not what JP and his boys would have witnessed.

Gorgeous country! I have seen a lot of Utah...most times taking the 15 vertical route. So I haven't seen this part of Utah! :seeya:

I LOVED livng in Utah, we went camping in the Oquirrhs as often as possible. While we were doing searches we also saw some really pretty places. Another place of interest to 'virtual tour' for you would be Redwood Rd. south to the terminus. It goes into a really little town and then Rt 6. This is the west side of Utah Lake; in February of 2010 [don't remember the exact day] we smelled a strong decomp smell as we were on mm10-11 of Redwood Rd. We reported this. I believe it was a man who drowned in the lake.

As I am writing this something comes to mind: On Redwood Rd. South there is a street called Pony Express St./Trail, a new Mormon Seminary/School [don't know if that's the right term] was being built there. In that same vicinity on Redwood Rd. was a utility company, an electric plant. fwiw

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I LOVED livng in Utah, we went camping in the Oquirrhs as often as possible. While we were doing searches we also saw some really pretty places. Another place of interest to 'virtual tour' for you would be Redwood Rd. south to the terminus. It goes into a really little town and then Rt 6. This is the west side of Utah Lake; in February of 2010 [don't remember the exact day] we smelled a strong decomp smell as we were on mm10-11 of Redwood Rd. We reported this. I believe it was a man who drowned in the lake.

As I am writing this something comes to mind: On Redwood Rd. South there is a street called Pony Express St./Trail, a new Mormon Seminary/School [don't know if that's the right term] was being built there. In that same vicinity on Redwood Rd. was a utility company, an electric plant. fwiw

Wow, Jacie! I love working on WS because I get to meet such interesting people like you! So, you are Search and Rescue? What a tremendous labor of love that job must be...but so exciting, as well.
I can see why you would miss living in Utah. DH, DD and I have taken the Bryce, Zion camping trips. We've visited Pocatello, ID where in-laws live. And we've driven up to Yellowstone, all taking the 15, like I said. It is incredibly beautiful scenery, and I would love to visit the snowy areas some day, too.

So you were close to discovering a drowned man that was decomposing. I bet that is a memory that will stay with you forever!

Pony Express St./Trail that you mentioned is something to consider. I can't get "Pony Express" out of my mind since I heard JP state it on the initial interview! But I know I don't want to get tunnel vision, either!

 

[Jacie Estes]

Wow, Jacie! I love working on WS because I get to meet such interesting people like you! So, you are Search and Rescue? What a tremendous labor of love that job must be...but so exciting, as well.
I can see why you would miss living in Utah. DH, DD and I have taken the Bryce, Zion camping trips. We've visited Pocatello, ID where in-laws live. And we've driven up to Yellowstone, all taking the 15, like I said. It is incredibly beautiful scenery, and I would love to visit the snowy areas some day, too.

So you were close to discovering a drowned man that was decomposing. I bet that is a memory that will stay with you forever!

Pony Express St./Trail that you mentioned is something to consider. I can't get "Pony Express" out of my mind since I heard JP state it on the initial interview! But I know I don't want to get tunnel vision, either!

I am NOT Search and Rescue; I am the survivor of a violent domestic violence attack 5 years ago [my now ex]. I have stared down the barrel of a loaded gun pointed at my face so not much scares me.

I was in Salt Lake City a week after Susan went missing; we were traveling to South Dakota to visit for the holidays. When I saw the story on the news I was saddened because I knew it wouldn't end well. Over these 2 years, every opportunity I have had, we have gone to SLC. What has happened this past week makes me want to go more. Susan touched my heart; her story and now the story of her sons demand justice. jp can't take the secret of her where-abouts to the grave, he doesn't get to do that! She will be found.

 

[dovebar]

It seems like we go around and around here, but I think it is useful to continue to brainstorm - if only for our own peace of mind.

I've always thought everything JP said should be treated as a lie, like he deliberately said "Pony Express" because that's the opposite direction. But he did say "south" too and that seems most likely given the roads. The other likely direction given the weather is west, where they've searched near "Simpson Springs" and the Pony Express marker.

Because this seems premeditated, I think he had time and a willing partner in SP - he drove due west so he could claim they went to Pony Express, in case he'd been seen. But he never turned off and went to those campgrounds; he drove due west on the best highway, I-80, and handed her over somewhere past Wendover. He walked her somewhere and was met by someone who was waiting. There are long stretches of nothingness until Ely. No cameras.

Either they buried or burned her together, or he got windburn being out in the cold for the hand-off. The torch was about cutting a gate or a seal somewhere.

Also, leaving her or her remains in Nevada would provide jurisdictional complications that they may have found appealing.

One thing that strikes me is that in that area, there is a correctional institution - maybe more than one. Is it possible, given SP's job, that they buried or disposed of her in an area related to one? Or in a manner that SP would have known about given his background in corrections?

JMO

 

[Oriah]

It's crossed my mind that he may have kept her with him, and the burning of the residence- as well as the issue about the utilities- that he thought may have ensured she would never be found? The search of their home that turned up the stained carpet/fans etc (and spurred a lot of further issues) may have prompted a more 'complete' destruction site, along with the follow up murder/suicide?

Is it possible he or his father did move Susan- but moved her much closer to this final event, rather than farther away?

 

[Jacie Estes]

Given the news of 'incestuous' CGI [computer generated images] found on jp's computer I want to add another dimension here.

I don't know that I can post the specific names of forums/sites that have CGI and sell/trade/share this work but I hope that LE is looking into any pseudonyms/user names that were on jp's/steve's computers and if they are involved in these sites. Not all of these sites are nefarious but there are spin-offs that are in the category of what was found on jp's computer. Alot of this is based off-shore and would require FBI involvement IF there was any connection to actual kiddie .

 

[IWannaKnow]

Question: Was it ever verified that JP bought a cutting torch? I read back last night and found the thread where it was mentioned:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98969"]27 March 2010: Did Josh purchase a cutting torch from Air Gas on 7 Dec 2009? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

And it is all seemingly by one person who is now banned. IS this true? Did he really buy a cutting torch or is this simply a rumor?

 

[deca]

It would be interesting to so a WS poll about where Susan's remains might be...
I agree with some other posters: I don't think she would be that far away. Maybe 2 hours drive away maximum. I don't think JP would want to be driving around for a long time with her body, the weather was bad, sleeping kids in the car, possible need to "keep an eye on her" (or on the general area to see if the searches were close). The problem is there are SO MANY places to hide someone. I guess we are all going to have to resign ourselves to the fact that IF she is found, it will probably be by accident. Unless LE gets some clue from JPs last emails.

 

[passionflower]

Maybe if LE looks at family photos of places jp/sp loved to go 'often'.
Esp the places that Susan hated.
Maybe jp loved as a teen, before marriage.
Where jp/sp were very comfortable in and blended in.
Somewhere no one would think a van with 2 little boys would be in
during a 'blizzard'? Private land of a friend?
What do statistics say about how far killer husbands dump their wives?

 

[Skully]

Thanks, Queen D! I looked up this mining company and found that on/by its grounds is a "Stauffer Chemical Tailings Pond".
This mining company in Vernal, Utah is 3 hr. 27 min. from the Sarah Circle house. Putting a body in a chemical pond could decimate a body, and could make JP's hands irritated/red.

Just a thought.....

My husband cleaned our fence last year with water and clorox and he burnt his hands and arms. He was using it with an attachement on the hose outside, and it drips on your hands and down your arms as you spray and then scrub the fence. Could he have used clorox to clean up????

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/sl...nswers-into-Susan/n8xTFRQLOkKihW2iYi34wA.cspx

Cell phone, notes could provide answers into Susan Powell disappearance
Updated: 12/23/2009 9:25 am | Published: 12/23/2009 7:55 am

Petersen also says when Powell came to his house he had the worst case of wind burned he'd ever seen. Petersen said they were bright red and he had a bottle of lotion with him and kept applying it on his hands.

Police took Powell's van Monday night, between that night and Wednesday Powell put hundreds of miles on his rental car. Petersen thinks he may have gone back to the campground. "I just kind of speculate he went out there again and I wonder why would someone do that?"

But, if Powell did go back out there that could explain his red hands. That Monday was bitter cold, in the middle of the first wave of a major storm and the wind chills in the area were in the low teens.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14058397

Searching for Susan Powell: Neighbor describes husband's odd behavior

By Sheena Mcfarland
The Salt Lake Tribune
Published December 23, 2009 7:40 pm

Neighbors called all day Dec. 7 after his wife was reported missing, and when they finally talked to Joshua Powell, it took him two hours to get home.

"He just said he was driving around West Valley City," Peterson said. "He wasn't in a big hurry to get home and find his wife. It's just a really crappy situation."

Two days later, when Joshua Powell dropped by the Peterson home, he had "the worst wind burn" Peterson had ever seen on the back of his hands and he kept applying lotion to them as they talked in Peterson's front room.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14137241?source=most_viewed

Neighbor to Joshua Powell: 'I want my swing set back'

By Melinda Rogers

The Salt Lake Tribune
Published January 7, 2010 11:27 am

Peterson said his wife asked Joshua Powell about Susan's whereabouts and Powell replied "Well, it's not like I stabbed her."

 

[Spice]

WHO sits around telling friends about disposing a body and not to get caught?
Then the wife comes up missing!

Scott Peterson. And he said that he would tie weights around the body and throw it in the ocean. Which is exactly what he did to Lacy.

What did Josh say? Like Scott, he is probably described exactly what he would do.

 

[passionflower]

Many times it is said that murderers go back to the scene of the crime.
Scott P went and watched the bay........
Did jp go anywhere allot after Susan disappeared?
Did he continue to go camping at midnight?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm new to this case and I'm trying to find a facts or verified details thread. Am I missing it?

When was the last time Susan was seen by someone other than family?
Where did she disappear from?

 

[Jacie Estes]

I'm new to this case and I'm trying to find a facts or verified details thread. Am I missing it?

When was the last time Susan was seen by someone other than family?
Where did she disappear from?

A lady from church named Jovanna Owings was at the house on the 6th, Sunday, to help Susan with yarn for a project they were working on. josh fed them pancakes and eggs for brunch, Jovanna was hurried out the door around 5p; Susan got very tired and didn't feel well after the plate josh served her. Jovanna was the last person not family to see Susan.

 

[mamamia54]

A lady from church named Jovanna Owings was at the house on the 6th, Sunday, to help Susan with yarn for a project they were working on. josh fed them pancakes and eggs for brunch, Jovanna was hurried out the door around 5p; Susan got very tired and didn't feel well after the plate josh served her. Jovanna was the last person not family to see Susan.

What could have been in just Susans meal and not the others. He would have had to plate the food up and deliver to each person, making certain that Susan had the one that may have rendered her incapcatated. Could vomit have been the stain on the carpet that he was attempting to dry with the two box fans? The stains were reddish if I remember correctly. Could she have been throwing up blood?