Found Deceased CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3

[Cindizzi]

Defense team in murder trial of Mark Redwine calls its first witnesses | FOX31 Denver

The judge started the morning telling defendant Mark Redwine he has the right to testify or not to testify, although his defense team’s last published witness list from May did not have his name on the list.

Friday, the defense started its case with Dr. Bruce Anderson, an expert in forensic anthropology.

Retained and paid by the defense, Anderson examined several of Dylan’s bones in 2019, years after the bones were found.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In my area the coyotes are so thin and scrawny (hot dry desert) they seem barely big enough to carry a skull, let alone 5 miles! I'm sure they will do what's necessary to survive though.

We have coyotes at the ranch here in Northern California and they are a thin animal. Could they carry a skull? I don't see why not.

The testimony from experts in this trial have talked about energy management and that makes a lot of sense. An animal will not carry a skull a long distance if it can find a safe place close by. The prosecution even had the defense wildlife expert witness reiterate that fact.

A coyote did not carry Dylan's skull the 1.5 miles from the main remains site over or around vertical terrain. There would be no reason for a coyote to do that.

There was a reason for a human to do that. One that wanted to hide the fact that Dylan suffered a traumatic injury to his head from a straight bladed instrument. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

The defense needed someone to bolster their claim that a coyote could have carried Dylan's skull from the main remains location site to where it was found.

They should have only used him to say it was possible and end it there. They got him talking about way too much stuff that let the prosecution use in their favor.

I think that the wildlife expert was becoming a prosecution witness towards the end.

Dr Ha should have been called first since he has to leave town. I have no idea why that didn't happen. JMO

BBM
I agree totally!!

 

[Cindizzi]

This will sound like a stupid question, but now that the Prosecution has rested is there any phase of the trial moving forward where they could call witnesses? Thanks.

 

[geevee]

This will sound like a stupid question, but now that the Prosecution has rested is there any phase of the trial moving forward where they could call witnesses? Thanks.

The state can call rebuttal witnesses but only to rebut something the defense puts on in their case.

 

[Cindizzi]

The state can call rebuttal witnesses but only to rebut something the defense puts on in their case.

Thanks. And this would be after the Defense rests their case?

I only wondered because I have been perusing the Court site and the thousands of documents in this case. Today I noticed that the State had filed an endorsement of 3 witnesses on 7/6/21 just 3 days ago.

 

[wary]

Nicole Fierro @FierroNicole 1h
Looking at part of Dylan’s skull, defense’s forensic anthropology expert says it looks like an animal punctured it with a tooth. Without other parts of the skull and face, he says he is not certain if this happened long after death.

Has there ever been a case where coyotes actually killed a healthy person of Dylan’s size? I think it’s very unlikely—so is it possible that the jury members are just visualizing a man leaving his son’s body to be torn to pieces by scavengers? I know that’s what I’d be thinking about.

 

[geevee]

Thanks. And this would be after the Defense rests their case?

I only wondered because I have been perusing the Court site and the thousands of documents in this case. Today I noticed that the State had filed an endorsement of 3 witnesses on 7/6/21 just 3 days ago.

Yes, the state would put on rebuttal witnesses (if they choose) after the defense is finished with their case. The state may be anticipating what testimony the defense is going to put on and have their witnesses ready if needed, not sure at what point they need to alert the judge of their potential rebuttal witnesses, maybe it depends on how the particular judge runs his courtroom.

 

[wary]

I don't think that's correct.

It had to do with a stronger scent. But the witness said that's why the dog would ignore the pillow. Why would the last thing Dylan laid his head on be "less strong" than scent items brought from Elaine's home?

That's my confusion.

I don’t know what the witness is saying, but I’d think that something that Dylan had slept on many times would have a stronger scent than something he’d slept on just once.

 

[Cappuccino]

Has there ever been a case where coyotes actually killed a healthy person of Dylan’s size? I think it’s very unlikely—so is it possible that the jury members are just visualizing a man leaving his son’s body to be torn to pieces by scavengers? I know that’s what I’d be thinking about.

Good question. I don't know much about coyotes admittedly, but it doesn't sound very likely that they would kill a 13 year old. I've heard of dingoes killing a baby in Australia, but never heard of a coyote killing a child.

 

[BUF]

I don’t know what the witness is saying, but I’d think that something that Dylan had slept on many times would have a stronger scent than something he’d slept on just once.

Although I agree with what you are saying about the scent, I just don’t think that Dylan ever laid his head down on that pillow. All his communication on his cell and FB stopped early in the evening. IMO I think that MR placed the sheets and pillow on the couch as a cover to try to show Dylan had spent the night on the couch. I don’t believe that pillowcase had any of his scent on it.

 

[Emerald1328]

The defense needed someone to bolster their claim that a coyote could have carried Dylan's skull from the main remains location site to where it was found.

They should have only used him to say it was possible and end it there. They got him talking about way too much stuff that let the prosecution use in their favor.

I think that the wildlife expert was becoming a prosecution witness towards the end.

Dr Ha should have been called first since he has to leave town. I have no idea why that didn't happen. JMO

I think the defense attorney was arrogant enough to think that Dr. Ha would be qualified as an expert quickly, though I’m not sure why because it sounds like there had been a lot of discussions/filings about his qualifications (or lack thereof more specifically) in the past. The prosecution really only objected to him being qualified as an expert in the HRD aspect of it and it sounded like the defense tried to throw that part in at the last minute, maybe hoping the prosecution wouldn’t notice? It had to have taken an hour or longer just to get him qualified in what the judge would allow him to testify as an expert on.

 

[BUF]

Is there a chance of a claim of ineffective counsel in the future?
Judge has to talk to Moran as if he’s a child. Constantly. JMO

He does…he even had to tell him to put his jacket on after a break before the jury walked in the other day.

 

[BUF]

I think the defense attorney was arrogant enough to think that Dr. Ha would be qualified as an expert quickly, though I’m not sure why because it sounds like there had been a lot of discussions/filings about his qualifications (or lack thereof more specifically) in the past. The prosecution really only objected to him being qualified as an expert in the HRD aspect of it and it sounded like the defense tried to throw that part in at the last minute, maybe hoping the prosecution wouldn’t notice? It had to have taken an hour or longer just to get him qualified in what the judge would allow him to testify as an expert on.

The defense has been pushing that envelope all along.

@Cindizzi has been great about posting decisions the court has ruled on as each witness has come up. Here is the one Cindizzi posted about Dr. Ha: https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ct/La_Plata/Redwine/Order 101820 re Dr Ha.pdf


I had to go back and view the video as I missed that testimony. What really struck me is how Dr. Ha was responding to questions with his arms crossed…that is a defensive position….and really not a good look for the jury to see on a witness.

 

[wary]

Although I agree with what you are saying about the scent, I just don’t think that Dylan ever laid his head down on that pillow. All his communication on his cell and FB stopped early in the evening. IMO I think that MR placed the sheets and pillow on the couch as a cover to try to show Dylan had spent the night on the couch. I don’t believe that pillowcase had any of his scent on it.

I agree with you—the lack of communication is very telling. It’s not as though he was having such a great time catching up with his dad that he forgot about his phone.

Also, since when do dogs need an amazing amount of scent?

 

[mothwings]

I have been rewatching things a lot, jumping between Law & Crime and Durango Herald stream recordings of this trial. This trial has been so hard to hear at times, I feel like I am missing bits and pieces.

However, I do think the theory of the defense is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous defense theories perpetuated at any trial I have ever watched. Obviously, there were animals gnawing on Dylan's cranium but it was AFTER it was deposited there, by his father.

The judge said at the end of the state's case there was post-death use of a knife when summarizing the evidence. So I guess Mark really must have dismembered his son.

 

[Warwick7]

The defense has been pushing that envelope all along.

@Cindizzi has been great about posting decisions the court has ruled on as each witness has come up. Here is the one Cindizzi posted about Dr. Ha: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Order 101820 re Dr Ha.pdf


I had to go back and view the video as I missed that testimony. What really struck me is how Dr. Ha was responding to questions with his arms crossed…that is a defensive position….and really not a good look for the jury to see on a witness.

Dated October 18, 2020 That is why the prosecution was so adamant, they absolutely wouldn't let go of this, even got a little hot under the collar.

 

[Warwick7]

I have been rewatching things a lot, jumping between Law & Crime and Durango Herald stream recordings of this trial. This trial has been so hard to hear at times, I feel like I am missing bits and pieces.

However, I do think the theory of the defense is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous defense theories perpetuated at any trial I have ever watched. Obviously, there were animals gnawing on Dylan's cranium but it was AFTER it was deposited there, by his father.

The judge said at the end of the state's case there was post-death use of a knife when summarizing the evidence. So I guess Mark really must have dismembered his son.

One of the worst parts for me was watching Bruce Anderson.

He stumbled on his words and thoughts. He was cocky, laughed at he prosecution, even laughed at the judge at one instance. The judge at one point had to tell him he couldn't speak an objection only the attorney could. Then at one moment he was so ruffled that he told prosecution "I'm not answering that question!"

He tried to skirt around issues in the way he would answer. After answering with ramdom, scattered information the defense objected, and the judge told him you can't object he never answered the question. Bam! Woo hoo!

 

[shotgun09]

Recalling the best of the last few days of this trial, on Thursday the state's last witness was the god-like, chiseled cheek boned FBI investigator...whose testimony riveted the court room as well as those who were watching on line. It was such damning testimony against MR, certainly showing how he was evasive and then caught lying trying to squirm his way out of any of Dylan's blood being found. It was a slam dunk in my eyes. And a powerful way to rest the state's case against MR.

The very next day, as the stumbling and ever irritating defense attempts to prove it's case, they proceed with delays ! The judge was annoyed, the jury must have been agitated as well. When they finally get going, and call someone to the witness stand ( Just before lunch time ) they call this Mr Anderson to the stand. This guy ended up being completely chewed up and spit out by cross exam from the state. It was a fiasco for the defense.

As much as I would like to see the trial come to close by this next Friday, the way the defense has performed recently gives me little hope. They have had NINE years to prepare and they are fumbling and stalling to the finish line.

Justice for Dylan!

 

[Chelly]

I am spending the weekend catching up on this trial. What a lot of material to cover! Thank goodness for @Niner summaries and all the member posts. Watching portions of trial on YouTube, I have a few Yes or No questions if someone doesn't mind taking the time to answer.
1). Did Dylan ever tell his mother about the incriminating photos of Redwine?
2) Am I correct that Dylan didn't disclose to Mark that he had seen the photos prior to the Nov. trip with Mark when Dylan was killed?

3) Am I correct that Cory never sent copies of the photos to Dylan as Dylan requested?
Thanks in advance.