CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[LWoods]

I'm still here, nothing to say, but positive thoughts in my head.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Do you have a link to that?

Links to accurate information about cell phone pings have been posted again and again on this thread. You need only to scroll a few posts prior to your post which I have quoted to find one.

Cell phones ping as long as there is a battery with any charge left, even when the phone is off, and even if you turn off GPS. All that does is keep apps such as your maps or other apps from draining power from the battery . Your phone still pings. This is common knowledge to anyone who will read the information.

Anyone can choose to believe it or not .
The information is easily accessible to anyone willing to read info at links previously posted or use Google.

MOO

 

[Confusion]

Links to accurate information about cell phone pings have been posted again and again on this thread. You need only to scroll a few posts prior to your post which I have quoted to find one.

Cell phones ping as long as there is a battery with any charge left, even when the phone is off, and even if you turn off GPS. All that does is keep apps such as your maps or other apps from draining power from the battery . Your phone still pings. This is common knowledge to anyone who will read the information.

Anyone can choose to believe it or not .
The information is easily accessible to anyone willing to read info at links previously posted or use Google.

MOO

As I've said, I'll wait to discuss it.

 

[nursebeeme]

I posted this in another thread just this week. It might shed some light on the subject of cell phone forensics.

Cell phone tracking has become routine for many LE agencies. Some have even installed in-house systems for this purpose. Others pay cell providers for information, and the providers are more than happy to oblige by offering packages of for-fee services.

The New York Times
March 31, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/u...raises-privacy-fears.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Cell Phone Records -- Training Manuals

CNET News
August 15, 2012

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57...ks-warrantless-cell-phone-tracking-by-police/

ACLU
September 10, 2012

http://www.aclu.org/protecting-civi...hone-location-tracking-public-records-request

ETA: This link is a few years old, but the basic information about triangulation and GPS remains the same.

Locations Technology Primer

bumping up cell phone links provided by Bessie. Also another warning folks: the back and forth sniping ENDS HERE.

 

[SCHMAE]

bumping up cell phone links provided by Bessie. Also another warning folks: the back and forth sniping ENDS HERE.

Whatever Nurse !

JK hehe

Yea the last few days has been a lot of minute details
with out anything new it seems we've turned on each
other. Lord of the Flies comes to mind !
Let's focus on what will bring a lead or a tip or an idea
that finds sunshine boy !

 

[Seajay]

Thought I'd share this as encouragement that there is always hope. I know this boy was only 5 and he was taken by his grandparents, but still, after 19 years he was found. There is always hope.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-boy-abducted-in-1994-found-in-minnesota?lite

 

[rebeccaeee]

Does anyone know if DR's paternal grandparents are still alive and if so where do they live? I am asking about Mark's parents. Not sleuthing them, just wondering if they are in the picture and are helping MR thru this. tia

Best as I can tell, DR's paternal grandpa died in 2006 but paternal grandma, Phyllis, seems alive and well in Greensboro NC.

 

[Confusion]

wrong again, sorry. I'm just not reading well today.

 

[Seajay]

I was looking at a conversation on my phone between my daughter and I.

11:37 am she texts me. We text back and forth, no timestamp on that. But there were 11 entries, of us going back and forth. Then she got busy and her next reply to me in the same converation was at

12:38 pm. We did not send those 11 texts back and forth in that one minute. At least 10 minutes passed between our last text and this one.

1:05 pm I text back to her 12:38 pm text. We had 4 more texts.

1:17 pm we are still in the same conversation, a little time had lapsed.

So this one conversation lasted about 1 1/2 hours, with both of us doing different things, with several different timestamps. JMO

 

[absentia]

<All of the calls above came in at 8:01. The call below from R came in at 9:27>

All but the last call from R were at 8:01. I don't see anything to show Dylan made any calls after that time.
ETA: That should say "text" not "call" but hopefully you know what I meant.

these were texts, but, my text history will show one conversation including multiple texts that take place over a period of time, and they will only show one timestamp at the top of the first text in the convo. It looks like DR didn't send any texts after 8:01 PM, but he could have been sending them over an hour or so, until the next time stamp kicked in for R's 9:27PM reply. That would indicate there was some time that passed between DR's last reply and R's 9:27 reply.

 

[absentia]

I was looking at a conversation on my phone between my daughter and I.

11:37 am she texts me. We text back and forth, no timestamp on that. But there were 11 entries, of us going back and forth. Then she got busy and her next reply to me in the same converation was at

12:38 pm. We did not send those 11 texts back and forth in that one minute. At least 10 minutes passed between our last text and this one.

1:05 pm I text back to her 12:38 pm text. We had 4 more texts.

1:17 pm we are still in the same conversation, a little time had lapsed.

So this one conversation lasted about 1 1/2 hours, with both of us doing different things, with several different timestamps. JMO

i just posted the same point
funny

 

[absentia]

ohhhh. kayyy....

Let's start with this.

First the dad said that he tried to awaken his son before he left in the morning, but he was "out like a light"

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612

Then he changed it to “Before I left I nudged him on the shoulder and he acknowledged that he understood that I needed to leave and if he needed anything he would just call me..”

Those two don't go together, imo.

to my knowledge it's never been shown definitively whether both statements were true or if one is inconsistent. WS'ers thought maybe at 6:30AM DR was out like a light - no response, but when MR left at 7:30AM MAYBE Dr woke up enough to acknowledge MR, but I don't think anyone knows if that's what happened or if it's just people trying to make sense of the inconsistency.

 

[Allusonz]

We can all discuss cell phone pings in this case till we are blue in the face. We cannot compare what was done in other cases because this one is unique.

In most of the links and cases cited, they are discussing when a cell phone is able to communicate. Vallecito Lake is not in the middle of a major city nor is it an area that is flat. We are talking a mountainous area in the middle of nowhere with extremely poor coverage.

The fact is many of us are spoiled when we follow cases, as the information is probably available.

In order for a cell phone to ping either an antenna or tower (please note the word antenna here), the cell phone must be able to communicate with the antenna or the tower.

There are some very fundamental things which must occur in order for a cell phone to talk to an antenna or tower. First the antenna must be pointed in the correct direction.

1. Can anyone tell me what direction these antenna's are facing?
2. Can anyone tell me if there is anything that would block the cell phone signal either man made or natural?

When I drive through the mountains I can tell you exactly where I will lose reception and it is not because there is not an antenna close by. I lose reception because there is a mountain which blocks my cell signal from reaching the antenna which is on the other side of the mountain. As the crow flies this would be about 1 mile.

There are antenna's within a 4 miles radius of MR's home but no towers.

Can anyone here tell me which direction those antenna's face? If they face the wrong direction your cell phone will not be able to communicate with it.

Can anyone tell me if there are any man made or natural things which would block the cell and antenna from talking. If so where are they and what are they?

Can anyone tell me on the night/day in question, if there were any atmospheric disturbances taking place?

Were any masts full? If full, your cell phone signal cannot communicate with it. It then will try to communicate with the next one.

Once these questions are answered then we must look at the type of cell, what the antenna requires, what technology it uses and the list goes on.

LE in this case is facing some unique challenges. What I cannot determine is how unique simply for the fact that the information relies on many variables in this particular case.

I don't believe many are understanding that the problem here is not the fact we have the technology. The problem I see is did this area have the technological abilities many of us are use to.

 

[cluciano63]

The only thing that stood out to me in the article linked above is that MR declined to be interviewed this week. Wracking my brain to think of a parent of a missing child who would decline an interview, if innocent.

 

[katydid23]

to my knowledge it's never been shown definitively whether both statements were true or if one is inconsistent. WS'ers thought maybe at 6:30AM DR was out like a light - no response, but when MR left at 7:30AM MAYBE Dr woke up enough to acknowledge MR, but I don't think anyone knows if that's what happened or if it's just people trying to make sense of the inconsistency.

I think it is inconsistent. If you are asked about the last time you actually saw your missing child, and you describe him as being 'out like a light' , why do that, IF in fact you had a conversation with him?

It makes no sense that he would leave out their discussion and mutual agreement in his description of the last time he saw his son. JMO

[ it makes me wonder if he embellished it somewhat later on to avoid criticism.]

 

[asyousay]

The only thing that stood out to me in the article linked above is that MR declined to be interviewed this week. Wracking my brain to think of a parent of a missing child who would decline an interview, if innocent.

From the interview with Cory and Elaine yesterday , MR is doing next to nothing in the search for Dylan . And if he can behave like this now then i dread to think what kind of a father he was before Dylan vanished .


MOO

 

[Seajay]

We can all discuss cell phone pings in this case till we are blue in the face. We cannot compare what was done in other cases because this one is unique.

In most of the links and cases cited, they are discussing when a cell phone is able to communicate. Vallecito Lake is not in the middle of a major city nor is it an area that is flat. We are talking a mountainous area in the middle of nowhere with extremely poor coverage.

The fact is many of us are spoiled when we follow cases, as the information is probably available.

In order for a cell phone to ping either an antenna or tower (please note the word antenna here), the cell phone must be able to communicate with the antenna or the tower.

There are some very fundamental things which must occur in order for a cell phone to talk to an antenna or tower. First the antenna must be pointed in the correct direction.

1. Can anyone tell me what direction these antenna's are facing?
2. Can anyone tell me if there is anything that would block the cell phone signal either man made or natural?

When I drive through the mountains I can tell you exactly where I will lose reception and it is not because there is not an antenna close by. I lose reception because there is a mountain which blocks my cell signal from reaching the antenna which is on the other side of the mountain. As the crow flies this would be about 1 mile.

There are antenna's within a 4 miles radius of MR's home but no towers.

Can anyone here tell me which direction those antenna's face? If they face the wrong direction your cell phone will not be able to communicate with it.

Can anyone tell me if there are any man made or natural things which would block the cell and antenna from talking. If so where are they and what are they?

Can anyone tell me on the night/day in question, if there were any atmospheric disturbances taking place?

Were any masts full? If full, your cell phone signal cannot communicate with it. It then will try to communicate with the next one.

Once these questions are answered then we must look at the type of cell, what the antenna requires, what technology it uses and the list goes on.

LE in this case is facing some unique challenges. What I cannot determine is how unique simply for the fact that the information relies on many variables in this particular case.

I don't believe many are understanding that the problem here is not the fact we have the technology. The problem I see is did this area have the technological abilities many of us are use to.

BBM: And it comes back to that, whether or not a particular area has a signal strong enough and clear of any impedments to connect.

As I've said several times. I have a place on the way up to my mothers where every time, I will lose my signal, right after I pass a tower because I get on the other side of the mountain from it. I do not get another signal for half an hour, after I come out of the mountains. But by that time I'm in a "bowl" between mountains and there are a couple of towers around. At that point, reception is spotty at best. It comes, it goes, it has no rhyme or reason. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and I can never count on it.

 

[Eileen730]

Did MR talk to his son the week before Dylan went there to visit?

 

[SmoothOperator]

I just tested this theory on my iphone, and that is not true. Don't know what kind of phone he had, and maybe it is different than mine (probably). I am not typing a message the same time and it is not showing a time stamp on it. I am not a cell phone professional, but since it did not prove true on my phone, there is a chance that is not true on the friend's phone.

yes, princess IMO what you describe above is not only accurate(jmo).. but IMO more importantly its accurate and relevant due to the fact that so, too did RN have an iPhone from which he was texting Dylan, and from which the media retrieved the below timeline of text messages between he and Dylan..

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

R: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

R: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

R: I will

R: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

R: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

R: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

R: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

Strictly MOO but how I interpret the above timeline of texts is that the first 11 text msgs listed begins with the first at 8:01pm and the 10 texts that followed occurred within a relatively small amount of time, of which we do not have the actual itemized timeline of texts that you would receive via online acct from your cell carrier or receiving a copy directly from your cell carrier itself..the itemized list from the carrier has documented when the exact time of each text message was exchanged..whereas RN's iPhone screen(which is where the above timeline of texts was obtained by the media)..his cell phone screen is just as yours is in that it quite simply logs the time of first text msg in a conversation..

IMO the only thing we can accurately confirm from RN's cell screen is that
the 11th/last text msg of the convo's sequence of texts that BEGAN at 8:01pm, that there's a notable chunk of time that transpired between that 11th text msg and then the 9:27pm text msg sent by RN to Dylan, to which Dylan never replied.. IMO that much we can derive and confirm strictly from RN's cell phone screen of texts..

Now, what some may see as a point of confusion or rather an arguing point is to what amount of time that the convo beginning at 8:01pm(the first 11 text msgs of the above timeline) lasted, or how long was the text msg exchange between the two...
IMO from what I've read of the posts today the arguing point is that THE 11 TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGE could have been over a large window of time ...where as the other side of that argument is that the 11 TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGE happened rather close together in time, thus leaving a much larger window of time to have passed between that 11th text message and the 9:27pm text msg sent by RN to which Dylan never sent a text of reply..

My take on it is that while we cannot confirm which argument is correct by just looking at RN's text timeline, but IMO what is apparent to me personally is that when added to that timeline of texts is the statements made by LE and others that DYLAN's phone ceased being used minutes after 8pm.. the totality of both of those pieces of information IMO obviously speaks to the fact that the sequence of texts btwn Dylan and RN that began at 8:01pm all transpired within a very small window of time(moo is obviously within mere single digit minutes rather than the proposed longer, stretched over a period of time theory)..that IMO would coincide with the statement that Dylan's phone ceased all communication minutes after 8pm.jmo, tho..

IMO either way you look at it the IMO point of most importance is that when RN later attempted contact with Dylan(9:27pm) that Dylan was unable or chose not to ever reply.. IMO the text timeline will be a relevant factor in this case IMO establishing a clear point in time(via the cell carrier records they know THE EXACT TIME OF EACH TEXT where RN's screen does not).. that last communication from Dylan's phone IMO will prove to be a significant point in time that IMO becomes even more relevant when combined with that in just a matter of an hour and a few mins Dylan was no longer able to communicate.<--to be clear I will reiterate that this is my own personal opinion (and yes, I've very much looked at all the "oh but wait, it could be this..or it could be that" list of other totally benign excuses for Dylan ceasing all communication PERMANENTLY at this point in time on Sunday night)..

All jmo.

 

[Eileen730]

As to the cell pings.

IMO
Even with spotty reception his cell would have come back on radar at some point
If it was at all possible. Even if his battery died (which I doubt very much) it would come back when he charged it.

The pic of Dylan in Walmart is very sad this child looked very forlorned.
JMO