CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[Elley Mae]

We discuss possibilities here, right? If not, so sorry.

ETA: I know we don't discuss far out possibilities that are outlandish. I don't feel this is outlandish though, but this will be the last time I post about m. lions.

:blushing:Sorry, I didn't mean it to be taken serious. I was a bit surprised when they announced that they didn't thing he could have wandered off. Again for the confusion.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Maybe he intended to take a snack (or had already thrown it in the bag) and therefore had already set it and his pole outside on the porch, getting ready to leave. He wouldn't take everything with him, especially not his clothes, he wasn't running away, so who would take a full backpack with them. He ducks back in to get the phone, and some random (evil ) passerby (or someone that knew his dad and knew that he would be there alone, due to dad's vehicle missing or having seen him drive past alone earlier in the day) grabs Dylan's stuff, throws it in his vehicle, knocks on the door, tells Dylan "Hey, man, somebody grabbed your pole and took off." Dylan steps outside, random passerby says, "Come on, we'll go after him." No struggle at the house, missing items explained, and Dylan gone.

That's the only theory I have that allows for him to still be alive on Monday morning, and it would take a lot of coincidence, like the cell phone battery being dead or there being no reception, Dylan having to go back into the house, and the random passerby passing by at just the right moment. I guess stranger things have happened.

Oh boy that's a lot of coincidences.

 

[FlyerFan28]

But there is nothing to suggest Dylan went to the lake. Again, no fishing pole, no back pack found.
They likely stopped searching because they don't believe he was ever there.

The road from Durango to Vallecito runs along the lake for a good stretch.
The pole could be a red herring.

MOO of course.

 

[jjenny]

He did text mother when he arrived. We know that after he arrived he texted mother about arriving and friends to tell them there was change of plans and he will be meeting them Monday instead of Sunday. Then supposedly the phone was turned on at 8 pm and then turned off?- I am not sure what was done with the phone at 8 pm exactly.

 

[pinto]

Yet another question (I'm very reluctant to post theories, as I figure that the moderators, who've been doing this a long time, must have a better sense of the situation than I).

So, I grew up in the south, and loved fishing. I haven't been for at least 10 years, and that time was saltwater, rather than fresh, so I don't know if things have changed.

Back in the olden days, in order to fish, one needed not only a fishing pole, but usually brought along a tackle box and bait as well. Maybe it's different there. Can one just drop a line in the water and hope to catch anything, or was a tackle box also missing? Are they assuming he used artificial lures (we used to dig ours up, but maybe we were just cheap).

I would guess he used a lure. Looks like trout, bass, and pike are the main catches at that lake.

 

[Dixie811]

IMO, the new details that came out to the public yesterday weren't actually new. I am sure that Dad was given very thorough interviews during the first few days of this investigation. I don't find it "suspicious" that we are hearing this more detailed version now... I think this is the version LE has been told all along. Because (IMO) if he has continued to change/tweak/add to his story when speaking to LE, LE would be highly suspicious and probably would have caught him red-handed in a lie by now.

JMO.

 

[not_my_kids]

If he was tech savvy, he might have let his phone battery go dead, for just that reason. If his battery was getting weak and not lasting as long, he might have done what is recommended for that, and let it run dead. It is actually recommended to let your battery run down completely on it's own, every now and then, on all plug and charge devices (tablets, cells, laptops). He might have let it run down in the hopes that it would behave and stay charged longer the next day.

Just a guess.

 

[Pensfan]

I'm sure you know more about this topic than I do, given that you're a Search and Rescue worker, but I was recently doing research and writing on Colorado mountain lions, specifically the problems that they're been having around Boulder in recent years, and the success of tracking programs. Before anyone gets really alarmed by the photo posted above, or others that are similar, I'd like to post these facts, by the Colorado Division of Wildlife. It's also worth noting that a lot of the problems Boulder has had have stemmed from human behavior (feeding of mule deer, leaving food outdoors, not understanding that these animals are not just big kitties):

7. What are the risks to humans from lions?

In Colorado, there have been two confirmed deaths and one suspected death caused by mountain lions. All three have occurred since 1990, and all of these incidents occurred in undeveloped areas away from towns. In Boulder, the natural areas surrounding the city experience high visitation (an estimated 4.7 million visits to city Open Space and Mountain Parks property during a 12-month period in 2004 and 2005) and there has been one reported attack on OSMP property which occurred in 2006. Four additional people were injured by mountain lions in Boulder County between 1990 and 2000, all of which also occurred outside the Boulder city limits. Across the wider range of mountain lions in the western United States and Canada, attacks on humans are also very rare.

There has been an average of 0.2 annual human deaths in all of North America from mountain lions between 1900 and 2007. This number is very low compared to annual deaths from black widow spiders (1.4 between 1950-1989), domestic dogs (16 between 1979-1998) and car crashes (45,000 between 1980-2005).

While the risk of a lion attack is very low, there is still a risk associated with living or recreating in lion habitat. The obvious facts to take into account are that lions are predators, they prey on large mammals, and throughout their range they have on very rare occasions been responsible for some human injuries and deaths.


BBM

So, not saying that it _couldn't_ happen, just that these creatures usually prefer other prey, and rarely go after humans. Just wanted to add that I didn't post this to criticize anyone's opinion, as I wrote, it _could_ happen; it's just unusual. Rather, I did attend a talk by two biologists/specialists in large cat behavior a year or so ago, and they did emphasize how rare the attacks are, and were obviously worried about the possibility of people being incited to go and randomly shoot any mountain lion they happened to come across.

They leave a huge bloody mess where they kill their prey. After their prey is dead, they may feed on it at that site or drag it. There is a huge bloody trail when they drag their meal. If this is why Dylan disappeared, there would be a lot of evidence. Large scavenger birds would also appear near the site and would be more prevalent in the sky. (My niece's horse and llama were partial eaten by a mountain lion last year.)

 

[bessie]

Any ultra sleuths here that know where to find a map of the cell towers around Vallecito/Bayfield? I know I've seen those posted in other cases...? :dunno:

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp

You'll have to type in the location.

 

[Seek&Find]

So, dad said he tried texting Dylan's cell when he wasn't at the home when dad returned Monday. He doesn't say he ever tried calling Dylan.

Dad knew Dylan wanted to see his friends in Bayfield, and that was Dylan's plan Monday.

His son, who had flown in the evening before his disappearance to spend Thanksgiving with his father, badly wanted to go see friends who lived in Bayfield.

Mark said he told his son it was too late. So Dylan texted friends in Bayfield, his father said, and made arrangements to meet them the next morning.

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Why didn't dad try to call the Bayfield friends and ask to talk to Dylan? Wouldn't he know the names/numbers of the kids Dylan had originally planned to sleep over with? Apparently he knew their addresses. Why does he first go to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito, when he knew Dylan was planning on spending time with other friends in Bayfield? If for some reason he didn't have the numbers of the Bayfield friends, did he ask the Vallecito friend if he had their numbers? I wonder what time Dad's earliest text to Dylan was. It seems so odd to me that dad doesn't call anyone including Dylan, waits for hours, then first drives to a friend's house Dylan did not have plans with, drives out to Bayfield, then drives to the MO. Did he try calling 911 in Bayfield/on his way to report him missing? Was Dad's cell on Sun @ 8 PM - Mon @ 5?

Moo

 

[LotusPawprint]

Dylan had asked his father whether he could go to his friends' that evening....

Mark said he told his son it was too late. So Dylan texted friends in Bayfield, his father said, and made arrangements to meet them the next morning.

When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him

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No mention of anything about a FRIEND in Vallecito. Who is this person? Where do they live? Did he visit this friend in September? This is the first mention of this friend...

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Bayfield-Colorado.html

Not many cell towers in area, according to this. It comes up as Bayfield, even when I typed in Vallecito.

In response to both, and maybe you're both aware of this-- but I'm not so I'm piggybacking on your posts... I'm not entirely clear (nor have I ever been) on Vallecito vs. Bayfield, but I don't think they're two different towns.

I've searched and searched (and searched...), I think Vallecito is just the Vallecito Lake and surrounding grounds, if you will. If you look at the VL chamber website, all of the addresses (the accomodations, for example) are in Bayfield. As cluciano said, even when you tupe in Vallecito it comes up Bayfield (this has been my experience in all of my map /terrain searches, etc).

Also, I remember reading a comment a few days ago on the Find Dylan fb page from a poster, it basically says the same thing.. that there is no "Vallecito Colorado" only V.Lake.

Scratch some of what I wrote... re-reading the article, there are different friends in the different locations, but I do think these two places are interchangably used sometimes, esp when referred to by non-local MSM. JMO IMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

If he was tech savvy, he might have let his phone battery go dead, for just that reason. If his battery was getting weak and not lasting as long, he might have done what is recommended for that, and let it run dead. It is actually recommended to let your battery run down completely on it's own, every now and then, on all plug and charge devices (tablets, cells, laptops). He might have let it run down in the hopes that it would behave and stay charged longer the next day.

Just a guess.

I agree. He was probably aware of this as well, but I have found that most cell phone batteries run down or go completely dead after using them for a day. It is habit at my house to put the phone on the charger every night so the next day is a fresh start. I've had cell phones for years and a 15-yr old tech savy daughter. Every day normal use runs the battery out.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Thinking about cell phone pings...

I think that by the time LE is to a point in a missing persons investigation that they are able to get a search warrant for the parent's home and vehicles, they would probably warrant a search of the phone records; landline and cell, of the parent as well. I wish we knew what MR's cell records revealed.

LE has requested videos and photos which include any traffic in the background for the routes MR and Dylan might have taken in their travels from airport to home, ( sorry, I don't recall the names of the roads), Sunday evening through Monday noon.

They did not request the same for the time between MR arriving back at his home on Monday and the time he reported Dylan missing. This leads me to suspect that they are aware of MR's whereabouts that afternoon, either by witness confirmation or cell phone pings. I really do think MR's story indicates he was alone. So, why no video requested for that afternoon? I think it is most likely because his phone pings confirmed where he was on Monday afternoon.

My question would be:

Was MR's cell phone pinging Sunday evening and Monday morning? If MR's phone was pinging Sunday evening, was it pinging at the same locations that Dylan's phone pinged? If MR's phone did not ping Sunday evening or Monday morning, when did it stop and when did it start pinging again?

I believe that LE likely has all of this info by now. Maybe that explains why they don't think he ran away or left on his own. Could it be that MR's pings for Sunday evening-Monday morning don't match up?

So, why are they not naming any suspects?

Probably because they want to watch what their interesting person(s) is doing and what would they suspect this person of? Kidnapping... or murder? We don't know which crime has been committed. Same goes for contradicting any non-LE statements in the MSM. Unless any statement harms their investigation, I doubt LE will confirm or refute statements given by family or friends to the media until they find Dylan or are ready to name a suspect.

MOO

 

[PaulR]

Ah-"prepaid"! Not "disposable". My brain is on auto-suspicious.

Generally they are the same thing though. "Disposable" phones are ones that are cheap, easy to find at Walmart/Target/etc., easy to activate and don't require plans. Same thing as a prepaid phone.

 

[NC Analyzer]

He did text mother when he arrived. We know that after he arrived he texted mother about arriving and friends to tell them there was change of plans and he will be meeting them Monday instead of Sunday. Then supposedly the phone was turned on at 8 pm and then turned off?- I am not sure what was done with the phone at 8 pm exactly.

Ahhhh, yes. I do recall reading that. Which further confirms what I was thinking. Mom's expect their kids to stay in touch :dance:

 

[vasportsmom]

I agree. He was probably aware of this as well, but I have found that most cell phone batteries run down or go completely dead after using them for a day. It is habit at my house to put the phone on the charger every night so the next day is a fresh start. I've had cell phones for years and a 15-yr old tech savy daughter. Every day normal use runs the battery out.

And if you are traveling in an area where coverage is spotty the constant searching for a signal will drain the battery much quicker.


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[summer_breeze]

http://www.newstribune.com/news/2012/nov/30/no-sign-boy-who-vanished-visit-dad/

By The Associated Press
Friday, November 30, 2012

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The next day, while his father ran an errand, he disappeared after setting off to meet friends in the secluded vacation spot high in the mountains near Durango.

Hmm. I wonder if this is just the reporter's interpretation of what may have been said by authorities?

It's a Missouri paper, but an A/P article.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

SBM

How in the world did we go from "out like a light" and "nudged Dylan's shoulder" , to "...ate breakfast..." .
This is getting strange.

I WISH that Dylan is just hiding out somewhere.
But, I doubt even a good friend could hide him this long, w/o an adult catching on .

If Dylan's family and all who know him have nothing to do with this; this has to be one of the more bizarre cases of kidnapping I've heard of. I'm trying to picture in my head if Dylan WAS taken against his will from the house, could it be done without disturbing anything ??

It didn't evolve like that. He was asleep and didn't completely wake up when Dad was getting ready. Then people asked "did you even see him? Did you talk to him? maybe it was pillows and he adds "I nudged him and tried to rouse him, but he was not to be risen. When dad came home later he observed that he had eaten breakfast while his Dad was gone.

Just because it contradicts with what you are envisioning, doesn't mean it actually contradicts.

I was under the impression it was a criminal investigation, are mountain lions now considered criminals?

Let's not forget the dingo ate my baby case. Authorities were processing that as a criminal investigation too.

Until their is evidence to suggest others, processing this as a criminal investigation is WISE. It is a safe and fair and probable assumption. It's not definitive, however.

I never said cat would disrobe him. But I don't think cat would take backpack that Dylan had with him. As far as I can tell cats have no interest in backpacks.

Neither do they have an interest in picking it off and leaving in a conspicuous area. If it stayed on, it stayed on. It's]d be left up to chance.

FTR- I don't think he was attacked by Mountain Lions. I think it would be very unlikely, and shouldn't be the focus of the investigation. LE is wise for focusing on criminal angles and not looking in the woods exclusively. But I don't think we need to consider other options laughable, just unlikely.

 

[LietKynes]

Just wanted to add -- if it hasn't already been stated --- the BEST clues are what was said/texted to Dylans' friends. The friends he was to get together with. I hope LE has talked very thoroughly with any buddies of Dylan's !! That, and the phone records.
Just a question... is it possible to get a transcript of what exactly was SAID between Dylan and friends ??
Since there's so little evidence, the above paragraph is all we ( well, LE) have to go on.

LE's silence is worrisome to me. Makes me think they know what's transpired, but are building a case. I hope that's not the case at all. This boy looks a bit like my sisters' youngest kid --- even though he's 15 yrs. old.

If this happened to me ( my child disappearing while I was out on errands ) I'd immediately be begging LE and anyone else (crime lab?) to come into my house, take my pc, check for fingerprints, produce any item my child may have handled or whatever.
LE probably wouldn't do anything until I'd called any of my kids' friends, etc., after which I'd practically be grabbing the authorities' arms and demanding they do something to help. I'd be a wreck.

In one of Ann Rules' books (forgot the title), she writes about a man's wife who went missing from work ( electrical technician ? ) --- all they found was her work truck and hard hat. She (Ann) said it was one of her hardest interviews, because the husband was so grief-stricken. He spent his money and went looking for her any time he wasn't at work.
I feel for everyone who loves Dylan !

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In response to both, and maybe you're both aware of this-- but I'm not so I'm piggybacking on your posts... I'm not entirely clear (nor have I ever been) on Vallecito vs. Bayfield, but I don't think they're two different towns.

I've searched and searched (and searched...), I think Vallecito is just the Vallecito Lake and surrounding grounds, if you will. If you look at the VL chamber website, all of the addresses (the accomodations, for example) are in Bayfield. As cluciano said, even when you tupe in Vallecito it comes up Bayfield (this has been my experience in all of my map /terrain searches, etc).

Also, I remember reading a comment a few days ago on the Find Dylan fb page from a poster, it basically says the same thing.. that there is no "Vallecito Colorado" only V.Lake.

My apologies if this is obvious to everyone, but I think in some MSM articles, the two have been used somewhat interchangably, if you refer back to scorekeeper's post that I quoted, and I think (JMO!!) that may (may!!) be the possible issue. That they are one in the same. JMO MOO JMO MOO!!

I believe you are correct. "Vallecito" is in Bayfield but it's an area of Bayfield around Vallecito Lake. So the article stating the Dad first went to a friends in Vallecito then headed to another friends in Bayfield made me assume that the first friend lived in the Vallecito Lake area closer to Dylan's Dad.