CO Father of missing baby 25 years ago reaches out to parents of baby Lisa

[Abby Normal]

Yllek,

Agreed. KCPD and FBI seem to be doing a great job with a full scope investigation.

 

[NancyA]

The experience of a man who's baby was abducted and has spent 25 years looking for his child and others as well as living that reality is pretty appropriate, IMO.

We want people looking for this baby and trying to figure out where she is or who took her. GA is doing that. As a member of the community, I'm glad for it.

Is media is giving him a bigger megaphone than the rest of the world vis a vis his experience? Yeah, they are. I also find that he's using that tool as responsibly as he can. And he's promulgating the story to national media which is keeping it top of mind for some folks not living with it day by day.

BBM. I can't agree with that, I think it is the height of irresponsibility for anyone who is given the 'bigger megaphone' to abuse its power in order to try someone by media in this way with very little more in the way of proof than WE here have.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I've been trying really hard not to post comments about this case....only because the mom's statements/actions/behavior is leading me down the path of her guilt.....don't wanna go there.
BUT, in my mind, I'm pretty certain someone part of OR associated with this motley crew of characters knows something OR did something to this baby.

So, that said, this is half "tongue in cheek", but, since things can't get more convoluted and bizarre in this case, I'm almost expecting the scenario of someone in an Ambien induced sleep walking "episode" being used as an excuse for why someone would be just walking around, aimlessly, in full view, with a baby in their arms. Sorry if it's been said before...for anyone who said the same thing in any of the threads....I agree with you!!

BBM I agree with the bolded parts.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I respect Mr. Abbeyta and he also has my heartfelt sympathy for the abduction of his son.

BUT, I do not agree with any fingerpointing on his part. End of statement.


MOO

 

[NancyA]

It seems we have the same discussion going on about GA in two threads - I don't know about anyone else but I'm finding it a bit difficult to keep track and looking for post in one thread I actually saw in the other. Would it be possible for some kindly Mod to merge the two threads perhaps?

 

[annalia]

How can they move on?

The baby is missing? It is either some random stranger who stalked the family or something, or it's someone who knows them.

It's one thing not to consider the person a suspect but quite another to just "move on" from dealing with a potential witness to the family.

Seems weird.


Curious though if JI may have shown someone at Starbucks that night, a picture of his daughter who then would know dad was occupied at SBs and go to his home?

LE can and do move on from certain people in cases. That's how they narrow down suspects.

JMHO

 

[Eileen730]

My bolding

Good points. He would have been easily recognized, would he go into the house with all the lights on, or would he turn all the lights on when he could have easily been spotted from the outside? He would have known the layout of the house, why keep the lights on?

And what is the motive supposed to be, some sort of revenge?

Has anyone thought maybe DB did wke up and go checked on Lisa and she was gone. She turns on all the lights looks all over opens the front door looks outside or goes outside. Maybe the guy left a note . If she didnt do this she knows who did. JMO

Is this their biological child anyone know?

 

[In da Middle]

Yllek,

Agreed. KCPD and FBI seem to be doing a great job with a full scope investigation.

We also have to understand that LE has their hands tied legally what they can and can't do or say. Others do not have the same limitations and sometimes LE welcomes those with experience that can. We do not know that LE thinks of him as a hindrance or not.

 

[Turnadot]

We also have to understand that LE has their hands tied legally what they can and can't do or say. Others do not have the same limitations and sometimes LE welcomes those with experience that can. We do not know that LE thinks of him as a hindrance or not.

That is true, but the other side of the coin is this: Mr Abeyta's "help" may scare the neighbour into lawyering up, and that's the last thing LE would want if the neighbour is indeed a suspect.

Since Mr Abeyta continues to point the finger at the neighbour, then I will assume LE hasn't asked him to keep it quiet becasue I think he would if they asked. Based on that assumption, the neighbour is not a viable suspect. Just my own speculation.

IMO

 

[Karmaa]

We also have to understand that LE has their hands tied legally what they can and can't do or say. Others do not have the same limitations and sometimes LE welcomes those with experience that can. We do not know that LE thinks of him as a hindrance or not.

True, and GA is not JUST the dad of a missing kid - he was a cop if I remember correctly. I read that a long time ago, no link.

ETA Hold off on that - I may be wrong. I just saw something that said he is "a retired fed employee". I am looking further.

ETA AGAIN. This is really weird. I can only find one reference to him being a retired fed, and nothing else. And, I can't find a web page for "families of missing children international" or just "missing children international". Now I am curious! Anyone have anything?

OK - I found it. It was in a WS post in the other thread - don't know how to link it.

KANSAS CITY, Mo.— The Abeyta family of Colorado lost their young baby 25 years ago, and hasn't been found since. Now, retired cop Gill Abeyta is in the metro, hoping for a chance to talk to the family of missing Northland infant Lisa Irwin, who disappeared in eerily similar circumstances as his own child.
Video:
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-col...f-losing-young-child-20111013,0,4814468.story
Today he will be on Inside addition

The link is broken. So, still don't know if is was or wasn't a cop - but at least I am not CRAZY!!!!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Ever tried to polygraph a cabbage worm?? :dunno:

Arpad :heartbeat: and I are currently working on the Cabbage Worm Lie Whiffer Apparatus. We'll keep you posted on our progress.

 

[yllek]

I agree, if a Mod agrees, that it would make sense to merge this thread and the other Abeyta thread; feel like I'm missing some things hopping back and forth. JMO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

That is true, but the other side of the coin is this: Mr Abeyta's "help" may scare the neighbour into lawyering up, and that's the last thing LE would want if the neighbour is indeed a suspect.

Since Mr Abeyta continues to point the finger at the neighbour, then I will assume LE hasn't asked him to keep it quiet becasue I think he would if they asked. Based on that assumption, the neighbour is not a viable suspect. Just my own speculation.

IMO

BBM

Speaking of lawyering up...wonder why we haven't heard about this neighbor lawyering up. I mean, he's been questioned by LE repeatedly, had a witness ID him (allegedly), gave up a DNA sample, took a LDT, and has Mr. Abeyta going all over the news pointing the finger at him. If anyone in this case has a legitimate reason to hire an attorney, it's THIS guy, imo.

 

[Turnadot]

BBM

True, and GA is not JUST the dad of a missing kid - he was a cop if I remember correctly. I read that a long time ago, no link.

ETA Hold off on that - I may be wrong. I just saw something that said he is "a retired fed employee". I am looking further.

ETA AGAIN. This is really weird. I can only find one reference to him being a retired fed, and nothing else. And, I can't find a web page for "families of missing children international" or just "missing children international". Now I am curious! Anyone have anything?

OK - I found it. It was in a WS post in the other thread - don't know how to link it.



The link is broken. So, still don't know if is was or wasn't a cop - but at least I am not CRAZY!!!!

Irrelevant. Totally and completely. Hearing Mr Abeyta used to be a cop just makes me go: Yes, and? So what.

Mr Abeyta isn't privy to the inside of this investigation, and is speculating. He is pointing the finger at the neighbour, who, by the way, has been questioned by LE and taken a polygraph, which he passed if one cares about that sort of thing, which I don't. But pretending that I do, DB failed hers. IIRC, LE hasn't named the neighbour a suspect or POI. I'm sure Mr Abeyta's intentions are good, but the road to hell...

It''s unethical for Mr Abeyta to be pointing the finger without evidence. I don't care if he is a former cop or ex-CIA - it's f'd up to go on TV and accuse someone of snatching an infant if there's no evidence he did so

If Mr Abeyta has evidence, then so does LE and there would be an arrest.

Mr Abeyta is fantastic with helping people of missing children, but he crossed an ethical line when he began accusing the neighbour without any evidence of guilt whatsoever.

JMHO

 

[Chewy]

BBM

Irrelevant. Totally and completely. Hearing Mr Abeyta used to be a cop just makes me go: Yes, and? So what.

Mr Abeyta isn't privy to the inside of this investigation, and is speculating. He is pointing the finger at the neighbour, who, by the way, has been questioned by LE and taken a polygraph, which he passed if one cares about that sort of thing, which I don't. But pretending that I do, DB failed hers. IIRC, LE hasn't named the neighbour a suspect or POI. I'm sure Mr Abeyta's intentions are good, but the road to hell...

It''s unethical for Mr Abeyta to be pointing the finger without evidence. I don't care if he is a former cop or ex-CIA - it's f'd up to go on TV and accuse someone of snatching an infant if there's no evidence he did so

If Mr Abeyta has evidence, then so does LE and there would be an arrest.

Mr Abeyta is fantastic with helping people of missing children, but he crossed an ethical line when he began accusing the neighbour without any evidence of guilt whatsoever.

JMHO

And if I had a kid who was abducted in a manner to this man who has spent 25 years working with families of missing children I sure as hell would want him helping me find my missing child.

Unless of course I knew she really wasn't missing. Then I'd want him as far away from me a possible.

IMO :twocents:

 

[Turnadot]

BBM

Speaking of lawyering up...wonder why we haven't heard about this neighbor lawyering up. I mean, he's been questioned by LE repeatedly, had a witness ID him (allegedly), gave up a DNA sample, took a LDT, and has Mr. Abeyta going all over the news pointing the finger at him. If anyone in this case has a legitimate reason to hire an attorney, it's THIS guy, imo.

I can't tell you how upset I would be if another private citizen went on TV and accused me of snatching a helpless infant.

TBH, I'd probably threaten to sue if the accuser didn't stfu.

 

[Ora Macc]

No one has been cleared. Police made that definitive statement last week.

natsound, that's right! Thx for the reminder.

 

[Chewy]

I can't tell you how upset I would be if another private citizen went on TV and accused me of snatching a helpless infant.

TBH, I'd probably threaten to sue if the accuser didn't stfu.

I agree. I wonder about this actually, I wonder if he's saying this stuff with the permission of the accused to get DB to let her guard down.

 

[Karmaa]

BBM

Irrelevant. Totally and completely. Hearing Mr Abeyta used to be a cop just makes me go: Yes, and? So what.

Mr Abeyta isn't privy to the inside of this investigation, and is speculating. He is pointing the finger at the neighbour, who, by the way, has been questioned by LE and taken a polygraph, which he passed if one cares about that sort of thing, which I don't. But pretending that I do, DB failed hers. IIRC, LE hasn't named the neighbour a suspect or POI. I'm sure Mr Abeyta's intentions are good, but the road to hell...

It''s unethical for Mr Abeyta to be pointing the finger without evidence. I don't care if he is a former cop or ex-CIA - it's f'd up to go on TV and accuse someone of snatching an infant if there's no evidence he did so

If Mr Abeyta has evidence, then so does LE and there would be an arrest.

Mr Abeyta is fantastic with helping people of missing children, but he crossed an ethical line when he began accusing the neighbour without any evidence of guilt whatsoever.

JMHO

I don't disagree with you at all. I am as against him saying that as I am against people accusing the family when there is no evidence. The only thing I was saying is that he might have more insight into the case than the average person (or maybe even have a bit more access to LE).

But I totally agree - I don't think that GA has any business saying all this. It would be fine for him to give his opinion on whether he thinks that the family is guilty or innocent, but to make pointed semi-accusations? Not cool.

 

[Ora Macc]

Is Mr. Abeyta allowed to do this without discussing his documents and his 'suspect' with LE? Is it in his place to act as a type of LE?

ABEYTA: I`m saying to you that we have prepared a document naming a suspect near the family that has the experience, had the opportunity to be able to do this. Also, I want to add that that had the training to do this. Remember that -- training to do this. And so --