Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #32

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  • #221
This is a mangling Chewys post w/ mine, my point is there are lots of variables w/in marriages to abusers...it isn’t that simple... WSM could have emotionally manipulated Gannon to great distress, physical abuse is harder to document...

Um......just no. But that's my personal experience and opinion. I very much understand DV situations when a person can't leave. But when the abuse is directed at a child it should be game over. I don't care how confusing and difficult it is. It's unconscionable to allow a child to endure this kind of abuse.

Btw what do you mean by WSM I've looked it up and there are several different meanings that don't seem to make any sense. TYIA.
 
  • #222
<Snip> We are now seeing the true Tee. Her whole facade has crumbled and she’s not going to give up on her crusade to come out on top. She’s delusional but not insane. Just crazy in a scary way.

This sums it all up perfectly! Poor, poor, sweet Gannon!
 
  • #223
My heart breaks every morning as I look across the mountains towards Colorado Springs knowing sweet G is waiting for someone to find him. It’s so hard that mother, grandmother pull of protection I can’t help but feel wishing somehow I could just see him, feel him. I put a blue ribbon on our fence post. My daughter is expecting a boy and we still break down when she comes over and we talk about G. I’m just a lurker here. I don’t know if this is allowed. everyone who has loved a child feels this one and for me it’s just the next town over.
Your post is fine and heartfelt I might add. This is so heartbreaking.
 
  • #224
IF a defendant confesses to their legal counsel during a trial, do they still carry on as if the person is not guilty. Do many of them going into trial know ahead of time that they are in fact guilty of the charges? Sorry to ask but I just don’t know how this works.

Yes, they are bound by attorney client privilege. And if the attorney were to even attempt to recuse themselves from a case I'm pretty sure they would be accused of illegally influencing a jury. I remember seeing 1 or 2 cases on Dateline where you could tell they were just going through the motions. But you have to have tough skin to be a DA these days.
 
  • #225
Does he know whether the handcuffs are removed by a female officer in order to use the facilities? Just wondered if that's when it happened? Though the articles I've read indicate she slipped out of them. LE have not commented so it could be the writer's assumption.

From my experience (in a different state and entirely different region of the US), cuffs are not removed to allow someone to use a “facility”. She most likely had a waist chain on as well, and it would be maybe(?) normal to remove one cuff (left hand cuff) to allow her to use the restroom. But I highly doubt they removed both of her handcuffs. Sometimes LE will leave handcuffs looser on the wrists than they realize. Is it possible she was able to wriggle a hand free?
 
  • #226
Now we see farther into her crazy story of being treated poorly by police. I’m sure she shot off her angry defiant mouth and they saw how volatile she is. There are no boundaries with these kinds of people. I’m confident she let LE know she was in charge of her questioning and detainment and when they disagreed, she blew her stack. The only reason she didn’t take swings then is because she’d just killed Gannon, was lying about everything, and couldn’t risk completely unloading.

It’s even clearer now that LE had her pegged as responsible for Gannon’s disappearance from the start. What never ever ceases to amaze me is how utterly lacking in insight these people are. It never occurs to them that they are the common denominator in all the chaos, unhappiness, failing relationships, and conflict and confrontations in their world.

The withdrawal of an offer of employment is another fine example. Her deception just wasn’t her fault. She must have come undone when exposed to be such a liar.
"She must have come undone when exposed to be such a liar." ~jillycat
Bingo! And fear of exposure is what a Narcissist fears most! To avoid it, there are no bounds or extremes they won't take. Their controlling behavior, manipulation, lies and deceit is to avoid exposure.

The loss of control is absolutely undoing her. Given the depth of evil to be exposed during trial, violent behavior is expected. If her attorney understands her disorder, she will strongly advise her to reveal the location of the body and plead guilty to avoid a trial. IMOO
 
  • #227
Well in her mind perhaps??? She doesn't meet the legal standard. Very few do.
Oh, that’s what I mean; I know just this on its own wouldn’t make or break that defense but I’m trying to figure out why on earth someone who’s been so vocal about their innocence would turn around and punch a cop.
But it’s true I’m not a murderous criminal so perhaps she really does think people will still believe she’s a poor misunderstood victim somehow, and I just can’t fathom the logical leap there.
 
  • #228
From my experience (in a different state and entirely different region of the US), cuffs are not removed to allow someone to use a “facility”. She most likely had a waist chain on as well, and it would be maybe(?) normal to remove one cuff (left hand cuff) to allow her to use the restroom. But I highly doubt they removed both of her handcuffs. Sometimes LE will leave handcuffs looser on the wrists than they realize. Is it possible she was able to wriggle a hand free?
Never underestimate the strength or pain tolerance of one criminally insane. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
  • #229
Um......just no. But that's my personal experience and opinion. I very much understand DV situations when a person can't leave. But when the abuse is directed at a child it should be game over. I don't care how confusing and difficult it is. It's unconscionable to allow a child to endure this kind of abuse.

Btw what do you mean by WSM I've looked it up and there are several different meanings that don't seem to make any sense. TYIA.

I read WSM as Wicked StepMother.
 
  • #230
From my experience (in a different state and entirely different region of the US), cuffs are not removed to allow someone to use a “facility”. She most likely had a waist chain on as well, and it would be maybe(?) normal to remove one cuff (left hand cuff) to allow her to use the restroom. But I highly doubt they removed both of her handcuffs. Sometimes LE will leave handcuffs looser on the wrists than they realize. Is it possible she was able to wriggle a hand free?
The reports do say she slipped her handcuffs in the back of the truck
The news article attached to this tweet takes you to a reliable report that states this :)
Ashley Franco on Twitter
11 News learned that Letecia slipped out of her handcuffs in the back of her transport vehicle from South Carolina to Colorado and reportedly attacked a deputy. Sources tell 11 News the deputy was taken to the hospital with injuries. That's why her transport was suddenly stopped and that's why Letecia was jailed in Kansas for about 12 hours. She was released Thursday morning from the Kansas Jail and appeared for her video advisement in Colorado Springs on Thursday. 11 News asked the El Paso County Sheriff's Office for a comment on the reported attack and an official said they cannot comment at this time.
 
  • #231
"She must have come undone when exposed to be such a liar." ~jillycat
Bingo! And fear of exposure is what a Narcissist fears most! To avoid it, there are no bounds or extremes they won't take. Their controlling behavior, manipulation, lies and deceit is to avoid exposure.

The loss of control is absolutely undoing her. Given the depth of evil to be exposed during trial, violent behavior is expected. If her attorney understands her disorder, she will strongly advise her to reveal the location of the body and plead guilty to avoid a trial. IMOO

They often talk about the MASK SLIP when a NPD reveals their true self. I'd be curious to see some pictures of her now. I bet she'll have even colder eyes at the next trial.

I really hope she reveals his body but I also know that for her, that's the last bit of control she has right now and I doubt she'll give it up.
 
  • #232
RSABBM:

Well, she ain't in Texas, so she can't get what she truly deserves.

Since we can't see true justice here, the closest we could get would be for TS to spend the rest of her miserable, ill-begotten life in solitary confinement.

She's someone who needs constant attention from others, regardless of whether it's positive or negative.
Next to the threat of annihilation, solitary confinement would be the most excruciating sentence for her type.

Making her listen to the sound of her own voice all day every day would almost be a fate worse than death.

Almost.

I'd still prefer to see her get the needle.

JMO.

Well, I grew up in Texas. They don’t post the highway signs saying “Don’t Mess With Texas” for nothing. :D
 
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Um......just no. But that's my personal experience and opinion. I very much understand DV situations when a person can't leave. But when the abuse is directed at a child it should be game over. I don't care how confusing and difficult it is. It's unconscionable to allow a child to endure this kind of abuse.

SABBM:

Absolutely.

I could not agree more.

I'm extremely dubious that this was a one-off episode of abuse.

It's much more likely to be the case that TS routinely victimized poor Gannon in a myriad of ways.

JMO.
 
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  • #235
A source told our partners @9NEWS in Denver Letecia Stauch did in fact attack a deputy en route to CO, which is why she was booked into the Saline County jail in Kansas.

We’re waiting to hear back from @EPCSheriff who would not confirm the incident yesterday.

#GannonStauch

Julia Donovan KRDO on Twitter
 
  • #236
"She must have come undone when exposed to be such a liar." ~jillycat
Bingo! And fear of exposure is what a Narcissist fears most! To avoid it, there are no bounds or extremes they won't take. Their controlling behavior, manipulation, lies and deceit is to avoid exposure.

The loss of control is absolutely undoing her. Given the depth of evil to be exposed during trial, violent behavior is expected. If her attorney understands her disorder, she will strongly advise her to reveal the location of the body and plead guilty to avoid a trial. IMOO
Yes. Exactly. Exposure from a Narcissist perspective is equal to annihilation and sufficient for all kinds of harm to start coming to other people.
 
  • #237
IF a defendant confesses to their legal counsel during a trial, do they still carry on as if the person is not guilty. Do many of them going into trial know ahead of time that they are in fact guilty of the charges? Sorry to ask but I just don’t know how this works.

I am under the impression that if a client directly confesses to their lawyer then it's a bit of a game changer as the defence lawyer is still an officer of the court,so he/she couldnt stand before a jury and claim their client's innocence if they have direct knowledge of their guilt,that would be perjury?
I dont think they have to recuse themselves but they would be much more limited in their defence strategies.
I am not a lawyer and could be completely wrong,and most likely am!. MOO
 
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<Snip> We are now seeing the true Tee. Her whole facade has crumbled and she’s not going to give up on her crusade to come out on top. She’s delusional but not insane. Just crazy in a scary way.

This sums it all up perfectly! Poor, poor, sweet Gannon!
Just want to contribute some things about GS's relationship with TS, from my standpoint - of course this is all JMO, IMO, MOO, etc. And I'm probably not saying anything that hasn't been said before, just wanting to throw in my two cents.

I grew up, for a significant portion of my childhood and teenage years, with a narcissistic stepfather. For narcissistic parents and step-parents, control is the name of the game - and they will do just about anything to keep it. Children are easy targets, because they are easier to manipulate and easier to keep under the thumb. It's easier to capitalize on their self-esteem because they are young and their sense of self-esteem and worth is still under development - and maintaining control by self-esteem is critically important to narcissistic abuse. Emotional abuse, gaslighting, and psychological abuse are big components of narcissistic abuse, and it would not surprise me if that kind of abuse was rampant in TS's treatment of GS. Backhanded compliments or veiled insults designed to damage the self-esteem, gaslighting about that treatment, etc. This was my experience, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was his, as well.

My experience of physical abuse with a narcissistic step-parent was limited, but in my experience, it comes from a loss or, even worse, a challenging of the control that narcissistic parents need to feel. TS likely felt she was losing control of her life through the job loss, the potential loss of AS as her husband - and I think it may be likely that GS did or said something to undermine her control of him as well. It may have been as simple as calling her out on an abusive behavior, or questioning her authority in his life. The loss of the job, the potential (and UNCONFIRMED) divorce put the gas in the room - but GS possibly challenging her might have lit the match. Killing is, in some ways, the ultimate form of control - it is, literally, having the control to decide life or death for someone. I feel that TS may have ended GS's life as a desperate measure to regain some sense of control, not just over him, but over her life in general. Reaffirming, in whatever f-d up way, that she still had that power, and still had that control.

All of this is just my own observations, JMO/MOO, and I suspect it's largely me projecting my childhood experiences onto this case. I'm not trying to fish for sympathy or interject my personal issues onto this forum - just wanting to contribute from my standpoint. And I certainly don't mean to say anything insensitive or hurtful, or to say things that might disturb or cause pain to other members of this forum - I will absolutely delete this if it's not appropriate to the discussion. I just wanted to contribute some of my two cents about narcissistic parenting, and the ways that might have contributed.

This case has broken my heart in a way that none of the many I've followed have, and I've shed more tears for this sweet little boy than any other case. My heart breaks for Gannon, and for the narcissistic parenting he had to endure, and the fact that he never escaped from it. I wish somebody could have rescued him from it. I wish, so badly, that this hadn't been the outcome. And I'm praying every single day that he's found soon, and that he can rest easy with his family watching over him and ensuring justice is done for him.

ETA: I just realized this is a small novel of a forum post. Sorry :eek:

What a profound, and dead-on assessment of this whole tragic situation! Even though all we can do is speculate, I suspect you are right about the majority of what you've described. I'm sorry that you had to experience this as a child, but by sharing your insight you are helping others!

As you so eloquently put it in the last paragraph of your post, our hearts break for what Gannon had to endure throughout his time with TS and that he couldn't escape here on earth. I share in your prayer "that he's found soon, and that he can rest easy with his family watching over him and ensuring justice is done for him."

#GannonStrong #FindGannon
 
  • #239
Yes. Exactly. Exposure from a Narcissist perspective is equal to annihilation and sufficient for all kinds of harm to start coming to other people.

Very true.

I did a lot of research on NPD stuff over the last two years and I remember one therapist answering the question "How can you beat a Narcissist" and the answer was that the only way you could would be to destroy yourself in the process. Because once they are exposed they would rather die taking you down with them than lose.
 
  • #240
Oh, that’s what I mean; I know just this on its own wouldn’t make or break that defense but I’m trying to figure out why on earth someone who’s been so vocal about their innocence would turn around and punch a cop.
But it’s true I’m not a murderous criminal so perhaps she really does think people will still believe she’s a poor misunderstood victim somehow, and I just can’t fathom the logical leap there.
Exactly what separates "Us"from "Them"
 
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