Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #42

[Jsizzle]

So did the affidavit say how she killed him or what was done to him?

 

[Knox]

Her interrogation vid will be interesting, but nothing can beat Jodi Arias’s. IMO

Jodi had a bit more on the ball than TS, little more refined. T's video will be more like an orchestra leader interviewing a street rapper. I can just see the detectives surreptitiously googling urban dictionary to figure out what she is saying

 

[MassGuy]

So did the affidavit say how she killed him or what was done to him?

No, because it was written before they found his body, and HH refused to cooperate.

We just know there was a great deal of blood evidence.

 

[Seattle1]

They’ll get her. She’ll be deposed before trial, and have to tell the truth under penalty of perjury.

If she wants to plead the Fifth, the prosecution could offer her an immunity deal that would inhibit her ability to do that, and force her to talk.

She is very important in all of this, and if she doesn’t decide to do the right thing, then she can be compelled to.

Colorado sparingly uses a grand jury but this is a good example of when it proves very valuable. HH couldn't refuse a grand jury subpoena and no attorney could intervene during her testimony. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that HH has probably talked to LE since LS arrest (or post AA) but understand why she wouldn't prior to her mother being locked up. Can you imagine her upbringing under the care of LS?

 

[RaspberryMama]

My issue with that is the quantity of blood, and that Google search that was made before she got home (setting up the runaway scenario).

So she couldn’t have planned for his body being found.

Ok. I need to read the AA again and get the timing right for all her texting and searching. I do remember one thing that stood out to me in regards to this timing is her 2nd trip to Petco and Gannon's reply to his dad, "can I at least play Zelda?" They occurred within a couple of minutes of each other. Why didn't he answer his dad sooner?

 

[MsBetsy]

Out of all the bonkers nonsense and other lies she told, what truths does everyone think she actually told?

I think there were important truths or "hints" in her many lies.

The blood in the house, on the walls, the story about her getting lost and having to take a detour in the area evidence was found, her insistence nothing would be found there, and so many others.

In fact I'm wondering if one of the murder weapons might have been a tool from the garage. She spent a lot of time explaining why there would be blood in the garage and talked about all the tools lying around that might have blood on them.

Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Colorado sparingly uses a grand jury but this is a good example of when it proves very valuable. HH couldn't refuse a grand jury subpoena and no attorney could intervene during her testimony. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that HH has probably talked to LE since LS arrest (or post AA) but understand why she wouldn't prior to her mother being locked up. Can you imagine her upbringing under the care of LS?

Yeah, grand juries are brilliant in regards to compelling testimony.

I do think it’s quite likely she will cooperate, if she hasn’t already. I do understand her going along with all of this, as her mother is about as evil and controlling as it gets.

 

[Knox]

Ok. I need to read the AA again and get the timing right for all her texting and searching. I do remember one thing that stood out to me in regards to this timing is her 2nd trip to Petco and Gannon's reply to his dad, "can I at least play Zelda?" They occurred within a couple of minutes of each other. Why didn't he answer his dad sooner?

She may have left his phone at Petco, before going on her two hour recon mission for a body dump site. That makes sense of the second Petco purchase, another poster suggested this in the last thread.

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok. I need to read the AA again and get the timing right for all her texting and searching. I do remember one thing that stood out to me in regards to this timing is her 2nd trip to Petco and Gannon's reply to his dad, "can I at least play Zelda?" They occurred within a couple of minutes of each other. Why didn't he answer his dad sooner?

He texted his dad if he could play and I think his dad answered within a few minutes, and said, "not today."

Imo

 

[Boxer]

Whatever she knows or did (and truly, who knows what and how much she knows), there’s a lot of distance between being the child of LS, and becoming a functional 18 year old who suddenly puts her mind, moral code, and overall belief system in order because she’s given an ultimatum.

If she’s truly complicit, she gets what she deserves. But if she’s a well-trained flying monkey (no offense to her, just using the characterization used for those used and deployed by narcissists), and she’s just showing up for duty, whether she has all the details of the mission or not, they better have a wizard of a behavioral resource and some support for her, if she’s to be fully valuable as a witness. JMO

"What do you want me to say?" HH

 

[MassGuy]

Ok. I need to read the AA again and get the timing right for all her texting and searching. I do remember one thing that stood out to me in regards to this timing is her 2nd trip to Petco and Gannon's reply to his dad, "can I at least play Zelda?" They occurred within a couple of minutes of each other. Why didn't he answer his dad sooner?

Page 5, number 40.

The Google search setting up the runaway scenario was made about half an hour before they returned home.

The Zelda thing is number 39.

 

[AbigailHobbs]

I think it means two containers of carpet cleaner.

I know all teenagers are different, but if I asked my daughter to get those things the first thing she would ask is, "Why do you need TWO?" She would also say, "Why do you need more baking soda? We have a box in the cabinet."

Not that she's old enough to drive yet, but she always questions me about everything and it's very annoying. She's like the "interrogator."

I can't imagine what she would say if I asked her to pick me up at the airport, the hospital, or the questions she would ask me if I ever rented a car out of the blue.

There's just no way I could get away with murder with her around. She has a question and then an alternate solution for everything.

My daughter is younger than Gannon and she's already this way. Well if we did this thing ..... then you aka me wouldnt have to.... help lol. Myself as a teen I would be so annoyed.

Also though, why would HH take Laina? I'd be annoyed about that part too especially if I just got off work, then I need to run an errand and babysit. I don't know their dynamics, but I would imagine most near adult teens who get two young step siblings full time arent going out of their way to take them to the store. JMO

 

[nyvictoria]

Colorado sparingly uses a grand jury but this is a good example of when it proves very valuable. HH couldn't refuse a grand jury subpoena and no attorney could intervene during her testimony. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that HH has probably talked to LE since LS arrest (or post AA) but understand why she wouldn't prior to her mother being locked up. Can you imagine her upbringing under the care of LS?

I agree. I think if HH hasn’t since cooperated, we’d be hearing about a Grand Jury being convened. It must have been unstable, at best, growing up with that for a mother!

 

[RaspberryMama]

He texted his dad if he could play and I think his dad answered within a few minutes, and said, "not today."

Imo

But his dad first texted him "hey, buddy". Gannon didn't respond to that until the 2nd petco visit.

 

[SleuthBee]

Yeah, LK, there had to be enough blood in the room for LE to prove a murder occurred or they couldn't have charged her with it, right?

Blood spatter is measured in microns. A droplet of aerosol spray is measured in microns. The picture in the AA of Gannon's bedroom wall is of poor quality. But apparent to me are the stickers used to mark the spatter. It appears that TS inflicted a head injury most likely while he slept.

 

[Knox]

Just rewatched the truck video.
So awful, now sure Gannon is fleeing truck through furthest door from her, a moment later
She gets out truck to go after him. MOO she follows him to his room, possibly assaults him with an object, and kills him.
Just too bad he still trusted her enough not to run to a neighbor.

What makes me feel Gannon was not under normal speed when he entered that truck. There is no reason for her to back the truck up into the driveway. They both could have just walked to the street and got in the truck? She's not a compassionate person, so clearly she wasn't doing that so he had less distance to walk. She was hiding something, didn't want to risk anyone seeing him. Or better yet someone walking by would talk to him.

 

[Mito]

Just rewatched the truck video.
So awful, now sure Gannon is fleeing truck through furthest door from her, a moment later
She gets out truck to go after him. MOO she follows him to his room, possibly assaults him with an object, and kills him.
Just too bad he still trusted her enough not to run to a neighbor.

Hmmm. That could explain why she opened the truck door so hard it bounced.

 

[jvikes]

I’m sure LS didn’t inform HH that she murdered Gannon, and HH didn’t know his blood was all over the house. I’m also sure that LS had some whopper victim tales for needing a ride, needing cars backed in, needing cleaning items, needing helpful storylines, and all the other things that had her relying on her daughter in the course of her crime adventure.

The “What do you want me to say?” moment, when LS was performing her interview scene with Spencer, and she commanded, “I need H...”, and HH dutifully reported to duty, tells a story itself. LS wasn’t functioning as a mother, she was a director in a scene from her movie where she had cast herself as a victim heroine. HH was cued up at the moment that LS needed a distracting family scene with a heartwarming Burger King end to the evening. HH spoke the lines she was told to speak. My impression of that moment was she really had no idea why she was suddenly in the scene.

Her mother is someone who breezily began broadcasting a runaway tale from the scene of her grotesque crime, apparently while her victim’s body was still on site, presumably because that was the moment in her script where it was time to say, “Gee golly, I have a missing step-son. I’m going to call the police.” She was confident she could pull this off because she’d been getting away with manipulating and snowing people all her life. And because she’s too nuts to perceive how high risk that really was.

Or was it? The police were none the wiser, with the body of the missing child right under their noses. Because that’s how it works with an LS type.

HH went into training the moment she was born. Children of these kinds of people are pawns on a game board. I’ve watched three of them in my own life march like bots and parrot their psychopathic mother’s words as smoothly as the next note in a song follows the melody. They are victims. They really believe their mother is a heroine who’s been persecuted.

Now after reading the AA, and seeing that LS is even crazier than we imagined, nothing in the behavior of any minor in a relationship with her would surprise me. We don’t know what LE knows about HH and any role she had, or under what influence. But based on my tragic experiences, the first thing I would say if I got to teach a class in this, is if everyone on the periphery feels like their head was run through a blender after encountering someone like LS, as we’ve encountered her, imagine what it’s like to live with her from birth and have your brain puréed on a daily basis.

I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing you or people that have commented about HH's upbringing being a reason for not cooperating or having an unfailing allegiance to their parent. But, serious question from me is where is the the line? Because one reason I've flipped on feeling sorry for HH to being very suspicious is that this is a murder case of her step brother. I feel she should have been very open to relaying on the oddities of her mother's behavior to investigators prior to the arrest given what we read about her in the AA.

So where is that line - should people raised by a TS type person be treated differently if they actively participate in murdering someone with their mothers? Covering up murder? Participating in something not as bad as murder? Knowing info but not cooperating? Knowing nothing and not cooperating? Note I'm *NOT* saying HH is involved at all in the act of murder. Just wondering where she stops being a victim that doesn't deserve judgement of her behavior for people that sympathize with her upbringing.

I completely understand and sympathize with those that can compare their own upbringing with HH's, so please don't take this post as confrontational, I'm just genuinely curious of where the line is crossed from victim to willing participant. Regarding HH specifically, what would need to come out in this case to come to a mindset of "despite her upbringing she really isn't a victim here - should have known better and <fill_in_the_blanks_here> is inexcusable behavior."

 

[MassGuy]

But his dad first texted him "hey, buddy". Gannon didn't respond to that until the 2nd petco visit.

Correct. She’s caught on camera making a purchase at 1322. The response from “Gannon” about Zelda, happened a minute earlier.

That phone was likely hidden in the store, and she sent that text pretending to be Gannon just before she reached the checkout counter.

 

[dawnraks]

QUOTE="Jsizzle, post: 15996735, member: 134366"]So did the affidavit say how she killed him or what was done to him?[/QUOTE]

Expert says blood stains on the walls were likely created by gunshot, blunt force or a stabbing.