Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

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  • #381
I don't think they are mistaken in regard to Gannon arriving home. I think she is just acknowledging that they have no evidence on video that shows him coming home. They couldn't identify him leaving in the truck, either.

In the first 25 minutes upon arriving home there was movement on both floors. This suggests they were the only two people home. When Laina came home, she was immediately sent outside. When her daughter arrived home, she was sent to the store for cleaning supplies.

TS ensured that no other person was around during those few hours because she was likely cleaning up her mess after having brutally murdered Gannon in his bed.

I don't think she attacked him before the truck ride since if he had been bleeding there would have been blood found inside the truck. The amount of blood found on the walls, mattress, carpet, floor, and likely the bedspread and pillow points to a massive injury or injuries, specifically an injury to the head.

He may have been injured on Sunday night, but I don't think that included the gun, a blunt object, or a knife or other sharp object.

Imo

Very well stated, and I tend to agree. Also, I think it's telling that she did not unlock her phone for 30 minutes after they returned home from the 4hr trip. She was busy killing him at this time.

I'm sure she was both fuming and paniced that he did not pass away during the 4hr trip after she ODed him in the a.m., after her physical abuse the night before.

She had one hour before Laina would be home. One hour.

I do wonder why she brought him home at all.

The only thing I can think of is that she needed him laying down and calm, sleeping, resting, to finish him off. For as much as I believe she resented him, I don't think she wanted to kill him with him alert and facing her.
 
  • #382
hey msbetsy:)

yeah but that's all kk had to do. nobody knew she was there.

LS had to keep the wheels turning of normal life including taking care of a young child and alibiing her time up.
TS had 300% more to contend with that day.
I cant see the comparison.
moo
Well, I think if someone is determined enough it can be done. She may not have finished in 3 or 4 hours, she left a piece of carpet in the utility room and she probably got rid of the blankets, pillow, and murder weapons at a different time.

Imo
 
  • #383
The scary thing is Leigh Egan on Websleuths last night states one of LS aunts believes in her complete innocence.

Apparently in a conversation with an Aunt and then another with LS.

It was suggested Gannon had a secret watch that he communicated with Landen on. Some pea brained story that LH had him runaway or he ran away to get to her. He was picked up by someone and taken to her in South Carolina.

It was also implied blood was planted and crime scene was compromised by family living there.

Unsure of the timing of when Leigh had these calls but it is similar to things I/we have read online. :mad::eek:
In regards to the aunt believing TS's innocence. I am sure TS's family has been hearing for years how much of a victim she is and how bad LH is and how awful her situation is etc, etc. And I'm sure she was very convincing. Early on I believe TS's sister was saying TS was innocent (TS was the victim) even though evidence indicated otherwise. IMO TS has spun this victim mentality for years and over time those family members would believe anything she said even if the evidence was staring them right in the face. So sad.
 
  • #384
I do believe there is more video (similar to what happened in PF trial) that will nail down her timeline. IMO
1000% AGREE
 
  • #385
Science time:

Does anyone know what would happen if you had an area of blood on a mattress and you poured vinegar or vinegar and water on it? Surely it would dilute the stain... would it soak through the mattress, drip down the side and pool into a saucer size blood stain beneath the carpet?

Would it entirely denigrate DNA?

Does Luminol react weaker and stronger, depending?

Is it possible that Gannon didn't actually lose as much blood as it might have appeared? That TS's cleaning technique resulted in an exaggerated the volume?

I wish we could ask her a few questions. We can bet she'd jump at a chance to clear up some confusion -- and create more. It's what she does best.

There's chaos in her brain.

JMO
@Megnut ... You are on a roll today!

While I cannot answer to all of your questions, I will share my method to removing spilled liquids.
  1. Blot up the spill by laying a towel on top, then weighing it down with something heavy. The towel will wick the spill contain it's spread.
  2. With carpet, it should be pulled up and blotted from the bottom, between the padding and on the top. Again, weigh it down with a heavy object.
  3. Once the blotting is complete, use a cleaner and an enzymatic liquid with a carpet/upholstery extractor to suck up whatever is left. Repeat as much as necessary, then allow it to completely dry.
Piss Poor Planning on TS's part, is not a defense for Premeditation.
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  • #386
I didn't attack anyone's opinion. I just asked why so many are so quick to dismiss what is given in the AA. Nothing wrong with that. I am interested in constructing theories based on LEO assumption that he did return home and sadly, all I see are theories that he didn't.

Gannon...

MOO Some of us have been here for a great many threads, and we discussed extensively whether Gannon
got out of that truck, this went on for several threads, the general consensus reached seemed to be that Gannon did NOT
come back...

So I guess some of us are reluctant to rehash
it all over again, especially now, as I am
questioning this video is really the relevant
one, that’s all...JMHO

IMO, there is always a point, that we have posted just about every possible scenario,
thus the only thing to do is wait for the
actual evidence...rather than continue to try to convince
others our choice is correct...

IOW, that is when a discussion becomes
an argument...

I speak from experience, as I am married
to someone who loves to argue, he always says he is having a discussion...
so I looked up the definition, and finally
had the last word...
I know it’s trivial at this point but how could they possibly be earning over $180k? A teacher assistant and a Reserve? Doesn’t seem possible.

OK, did a preliminary search,
Captain $74,000
Major. $80,000
chart only gave basic pay for 6 yrs service, AS has probably
approx 16 yrs, so that figure would increase.
housing, etc

Considering LS lack of steady employment,
$180,000 is highly unlikely, still wondering where that figure came from
 
  • #387
The average teacher assistant in CO makes between $25K-$29K. He was active duty Reserve? Can't imagine that pays $150K @ year.

I think the AA is wrong. She wasn't a teacher's assistant, she
was a teacher. The letters the CO districts (D-20 & D-3) sent to parents after she was arrested said she was a teacher. If she could have been called a teacher's assistant, she would have been as that would have made the schools look a bit better.

Still, I doubt the 180K figure too unless all of the following were true:

1. It was household income and included any money HH earned.

2. It included the social security TS should have been receiving for HH.

3. It included a military housing allowance.

4. It included hazard duty pay for AS.

Even then, it sounds like it could be a stretch.
JMO
 
  • #388
I find it interesting that her lies INCLUDED LE at times. Like the cornering outside the store and they drew guns on her and her daughter... this woman cannot stop lying every time she opens her mouth, like it's honestly a total disorder at this point.

To the point where it isn't even referenced in the arrest warrant; you notice.

Which means it's a nearly 100% lie, since clearly HH wasn't handcuffed or whatever it is she said; and if LE had had T in their sights at the same time, they wouldn't have had to politely wait and cajole for her to come down to the police station. All of a sudden, that becomes them escorting/holding HH on house arrest, and not even letting her eat - where is the evidence of any of this happening in the AA?

No experience with blood, but I’d think blood stain that was diluted in cleaning attempt would still clearly be blood and clearly show attempt to clean. I’ve had to clean unfortunately! Cat pee from a mattress before and it created a much larger more faded stain.

Perspiration here; and yes, it does just "spread out" from a cleanish center and make a larger flawed area to be bleached. I think I was probably a minimum of 10 days trying to clean mine, and it wasn't even that sweaty to begin with. It's just, any time and anywhere you poured vinegar on the damned thing, another patch of yellow sprang up; and the bigger it is, the more fluid it takes to clean up the outer area.

ETA: I have a box spring, and apart from making certain that the vinegar wasn't seeping through it to the floor, I'm not sure how permeable a mattress generally is to this liquid treatment, as I didn't try lifting it up to look at the bottom or anything.

I just do not believe a candle can cause serious injury...even hot wax cools quickly. My mother was a burn victim she accidentally caught her hair and nightgown on fire with a candle, but the flames were from her clothes. Bleeding is not immediate and gushing because the damage is to small capillaries. Her story is BS

Plus, the intra-dermal skin fluid racing to the site to try and protect things if you nick it too deeply.

If she had killed him in the bedroom and moved him quickly, would the dogs have picked it up that fast? How long after death can cadaver dogs pick up the scent? Is it immediate?

It's practically instantaneous, according to Arpad Vass, a leader in this field:

According to Dr. Arpad A. Vass, a Senior Staff Scientist at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Adjunct Associate Professor at the University of Tennessee in Forensic Anthropology, human decomposition begins around four minutes after a person dies and follows four stages: autolysis, bloat, active decay, and skeletonization. Keep in mind, this process is what happens as long as the body remains undisturbed. Embalming and/or being sealed in a coffin can delay the decay process for years or even decades.
 
  • #389
I think it's very likely she wanted to cause the bio parents some pain, but -- and this is just MOO, JMO -- I think she wanted to cause GS direct pain. When you listen to her words in the interview, she intentionally points out that GS was immature and that he pooped his pants. And that was when she was trying to control herself - no loving parent would ever say those sorts of derogatory things about their child. I think she disliked him to such an extent, she couldn't stop herself from saying those things.

I also think she wanted him to feel pain because three weapons are claimed in the charges, a knife, a blunt object, and a firearm. If her sole intent was to hurt bio parents, she could have taken him out quickly with just the gun, but she used three weapons, and I feel it was to make him suffer right up to the end.

I hope I'm wrong.
A person feigning victim usually devalues the true victim. TS could not restrain herself from devaluing Gannon. Made me sick.
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  • #390
Very well stated, and I tend to agree. Also, I think it's telling that she did not unlock her phone for 30 minutes after they returned home from the 4hr trip. She was busy killing him at this time.

I'm sure she was both fuming and paniced that he did not pass away during the 4hr trip after she ODed him in the a.m., after her physical abuse the night before.

She had one hour before Laina would be home. One hour.

I do wonder why she brought him home at all.

The only thing I can think of is that she needed him laying down and calm, sleeping, resting, to finish him off. For as much as I believe she resented him, I don't think she wanted to kill him with him alert and facing her.
But.... If she killed him in that first 30 minutes after returning home and before she unlocked her phone, no way he was already asleep, right?
 
  • #391
Yes and here’s another thing. She is recorded on a phone call saying she and Landen and their husbands got along and there was no jealousy at all.

I had read the way she met Al was that she and Landen and Al were all together on a softball team. So maybe she and Landen were friends and Landen did some ordinary thing that LS took as an affront to her narcissistic ways.

So she goes after Al and he leaves Landen and marries her. She thought she won. But Al and Landen had to share their children and LS hated that. Then she agreed to half time custody thinking she would have control but Gannon loved his mom, still had memories of his mom and stayed in touch with her. No matter what LS did, she couldn’t break those bonds.


Life was no longer about “her”. She hated that, so her revenge was to get rid of the one she hated most. In essence, Laina would cling to her now and Al would melt in her hands because of his sadness.


What she didn’t count on was the power of love. That’s something she could never understand.

A colleague of mine, years ago, took a job as the healthcare manager of the Santa Monica Free Clinic (he's an anthropologist). Many of their patients were mentally ill.

He wrote a really poignant article about how people who are acutely upset and suicidal (a common grief reaction), could readily flip and become homicidal instead.

I can't find the article for some reason. Anyway he mentioned that he erroneously thought that "loving" or "caring" for a person who was suicidal/grief-stricken would surely help them.

A member of the staff not a patient was grieving and suicidal, was getting psychotherapy and, my colleague gave him kindness, love, compassion, etc. There were so many depressed patients, my colleague thought that trying to cheer this man up, be his friend would be the antidote

The man frequently expressed suicidal ideation. Then, one day, he came to work and shot up the clinic, killing 2 coworkers and injuring several others. This was not the shooting in 2013, so I'm not doxxing anyone.

So the anthropologist wrote this piece and he said:

1) everyone knows that murder/killing humans is taboo. It's a human universal and everyone knows it, except perhaps the severely incapacitated mentally ill - who are too disorganized to buy weapon and ammo (as this assailant did).

2) Willingness to kill oneself and thinking about killing oneself still breaks the tabu and indicates a willingness to break the tabu.

3) Once a person is willing to kill humans, they are willing to kill both themselves - and others.

Some kill others first, intending to kill themselves (or suicide by cop). Then, they are prevented from carrying out their "kill others" mission and never quite get around to killing themselves.

In jail, this assailant told my colleague he still very much wanted to kill himself. He had always wanted to kill himself but somehow, after acquiring the means to do so, he thought he'd also take out a few people who had "hurt him." In other words, a person willing to be so aberrant and living so much in the belief that "soon it's going to be over" (for someone), is very dangerous.

Even if Albert had tried to get help for LS or treated her with real concern and compassion, it probably wouldn't have helped, especially if he was thinking of leaving or there were other issues (she dreaded him finding out about her real employment prospects). He says he "gave more to her" than to any other woman. He tried the supportive route.

This was before there was much literature about extensive suicide and to me, has always helped explain the actions of the people who kill family members or their whole family and then either kill themselves OR stop because their own self-preservation instinct is still there. They wanted to die, to "end everything," and their mind embraced violence, conceived of how to kill, thought about dying and killing, and they never "meant to" kill their families and not kill themselves.

LS filled up with hate. She wanted to "end everything." It's possible her mind darted around, hating Albert, hating Gannon, and perhaps occasionally even hating herself - but we know she was incapable of just killing herself (if divorce was so unappealing due to her intense fears of failure and abandonment). I totally agree that "winning" Albert away from Landen gave her a kind of high; that went away after a while and she was left in her same old state (I'll bet quite a bit that LS does occasionally have moments of self-loathing, but probably not for the reasons the rest of us would).

Sorry for the very long response - but it just seemed to me that you intuitively knew all of this. And our parents knew it too, which is why we were strongly discouraged from hating, using the word hate, lying, lashing out, harming others, etc. Even well brought up adults can break the tabu, but if tabus in general are broken (and there are many), the child learns to be a kapu/tabu-breaker.

Children need to learn how to love, how to deal with discouragement - and how to deal with disappointment or anger without killing people.
 
  • #392
I’m sure this has been discussed many times, but did we ever find out what the flashing lights and yelling at the Stauch Residence was all about? I think it happened like the first week GS was missing and it was caught on camera by a News Team.
 
  • #393
Agreed!

BTW, just love your new Avatar!! You are a woman of your word :). I’m sure it wasn’t easy on you, and I have to wonder how big @MassGuy ‘s head has grown. Likely the size of a football :p:D

BBM:

Football? Ha! More like a Zeppelin.

Fortunately, like MassGuy's idol, TB12, I'm prepared to tackle that problem head-on, no pun intended.

"Deflategate 2." Coming soon to a thread near you.
 
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  • #394
Science time:

Does anyone know what would happen if you had an area of blood on a mattress and you poured vinegar or vinegar and water on it? Surely it would dilute the stain... would it soak through the mattress, drip down the side and pool into a saucer size blood stain beneath the carpet?

Would it entirely denigrate DNA?

Does Luminol react weaker and stronger, depending?

Is it possible that Gannon didn't actually lose as much blood as it might have appeared? That TS's cleaning technique resulted in an exaggerated the volume?


I wish we could ask her a few questions. We can bet she'd jump at a chance to clear up some confusion -- and create more. It's what she does best.

There's chaos in her brain.

JMO

BBM:

This is where my head's at right now, too.

The affidavit did say something to that effect, but I need to go back to find the reference I'm thinking of, though.

A case can be made both for and against GS having returned with her in the truck that afternoon.

I'm working up a list of bullet points arguing both the pros and cons of both scenarios.

JMO.
 
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  • #395
I think the AA is wrong. She wasn't a teacher's assistant, she
was a teacher. The letters the CO districts (D-20 & D-3) sent to parents after she was arrested said she was a teacher. If she could have been called a teacher's assistant, she would have been as that would have made the schools look a bit better.

Still, I doubt the 180K figure too unless all of the following were true:

1. It was household income and included any money HH earned.

2. It included the social security TS should have been receiving for HH.

3. It included a military housing allowance.

4. It included hazard duty pay for AS.

Even then, it sounds like it could be a stretch.
JMO
Hard to believe that she has a Masters and a PhD.
"She previously worked as an education specialist and teacher and at-risk youth coordinator in South Carolina. She completed her doctorate at Liberty University in 2019 in education, according to her Linkedin profile. She also worked for the South Carolina State Department of Social Services as a human services specialist from 2008 to 2010 in Myrtle Beach, according to her Linkedin profile. She previously earned her master’s degree in curriculum and instruction from Capella University, she said on Linkedin after graduating with a political science degree from the University of North Carolina-Pembroke."
Letecia ‘Tee’ Stauch: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
 
  • #396
I agree we don't know. But according to RD, LE went to all the neighbors' houses to get their video on Sat Feb 1. They asked for the weekend up until the time Mon GS supposedly went missing. (They had already asked people to check 3-4 Jan 27.) It was after that RD looked at the older stuff himself and found the 10-2 stuff that he showed AS on Sun Feb 2 and AS called the FBI.

So it is very weird that a Feb 28 AA refers only to ambiguous video for such an important point. While all evidence they had at the time wasn't included, this is a big point.

I don't think they have video showing GS definitely returned. A Ring camera from across the street might have been aimed too low to capture all of their driveway. A Ring from next door likely wasn't pointed at their house. RD had a more extensive setup (in terms of camera directions) it seems to me although it didn't seem to produce clear visuals, at least not as clear as most Ring videos I've seen. JMO

Is it only the ADT data that seems to show that he was killed between 2:20 and 3:00 pm? Isn't it possible that Laina was sent outside until 4?

I dunno, I agree that the timeline seems so strange.

I bet you're right about no video showing how she got him back into the house. I wonder if that particle board was originally in the back of the truck, to keep the truck bed protected from stuff.
 
  • #397
When LS & GS departed home in the morning, GS walked to the truck and climbed in the back seat on the driver's side. I'm not sure why he got in the back seat initially -- perhaps to lie down if he wasn't feeling so great...

If he was riding in the front seat when they returned home - it follows that he would get out on the passenger side (easy for a slim child versus an adult).

MOO
Where I live and where my sister lives, until the young person of 13, they have to sit in the back seat.
 
  • #398
But.... If she killed him in that first 30 minutes after returning home and before she unlocked her phone, no way he was already asleep, right?

I don't think he was asleep. But I think he was in a fetal position, on his bed, happy to be there resting finally...when he met his fate.

It's weird. With Gannon's case I see scenarios in my head that I don't see with others. I am very much a visual person, but I don't approach cases visually and don't "picture stuff" as I process information.

I'm no voodoo guru, though lol, and I'm wrong a lot. But I'd take the odds up at Vegas with my gut on this one.
 
  • #399
In regards to the aunt believing TS's innocence. I am sure TS's family has been hearing for years how much of a victim she is and how bad LH is and how awful her situation is etc, etc. And I'm sure she was very convincing. Early on I believe TS's sister was saying TS was innocent (TS was the victim) even though evidence indicated otherwise. IMO TS has spun this victim mentality for years and over time those family members would believe anything she said even if the evidence was staring them right in the face. So sad.
I can't even go there without saying what I'm thinking.

Not just sad, but infuriating.
LE had the proof against the perp even before he was found; and now with poor Gannon's remains to give silent testimony...
Shame on them.
But it shows why the monster might've turned out this way.
 
  • #400
Science time:

Does anyone know what would happen if you had an area of blood on a mattress and you poured vinegar or vinegar and water on it? Surely it would dilute the stain... would it soak through the mattress, drip down the side and pool into a saucer size blood stain beneath the carpet?

Would it entirely denigrate DNA?

Does Luminol react weaker and stronger, depending?

Is it possible that Gannon didn't actually lose as much blood as it might have appeared? That TS's cleaning technique resulted in an exaggerated the volume?

I wish we could ask her a few questions. We can bet she'd jump at a chance to clear up some confusion -- and create more. It's what she does best.

There's chaos in her brain.

JMO

Definitely possible. Bleach would definitely destroy DNA (although...with blood spatter on the wall...what would be the point? It's really hard to get every single blood cell wiped and destroyed with bleach).

It is definitely possible he didn't lose enough blood there in the bedroom to cause him to die. Since they don't know the time of death, they are guessing about what happened. However, it seems really unlikely he suffered a major blow to the head in the bedroom before he walked out at 10:15. **Maybe** if she smacked him really hard with a hockey stick or something that didn't kill him, just gave him a broken skull and caused blood spatter. How he managed to walk in that condition, I don't know, but stranger things have happened. People with severe head injuries are sometimes still wandering around like zombies.

I guess we could rent a joint PO box and write to her - I bet she'd answer if we sent her $5.
 
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