Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[ChuckMaureen]

Simple door and window open/close sensors typically consist of a two-piece design:

The first item is a magnet enclosed in a plastic case, usually attached to the moving element, a front door, a bedroom door, a window sash, a gate, a garage door, etc.

The second item could be one of two types of sensors: a magnetic reed switch (a mechanical element) that closes an electrical contact when a magnet is placed within close proximity to the switch. The other type is a Hall Effect (non-mechanical element) active element that outputs a signal, the level of which varies with the distance between the magnet and the sensor.

Either sensor design senses 'opened' or closed' state of the portal to which it is attached. The sensors do not count how many objects might pass through those portals. Such a counting process could be facilitated through use of specifically-positioned infrared, laser or ultrasonic sensors or camera/object recognition systems.

I've worked in the electronics field for decades.

 

[Bbybluz]

In response to your reply to mine, the fact that she needed 2 "things" of carpet cleaner, baking soda, and more vinegar (there was apparently already half a container full in the garage) indicates those things were used specifically to clean up the murder scene.

My point was that if she was just doing normal cleaning and she was "OCD" about cleaning, she would likely have some cleaning supplies on hand.
I believe there was 1/2 a gallon of vinegar left before Al left for his trip, which should have been more than enough for one weekend.

Imo

Oh I agree with you 100%. I apologize if it came out wrong. My thought process was I personally IMOO wouldn’t need to have a lot of supplies on hand if I had just done a complete house clean and hadn’t restocked my stash. Her timing to get those supplies at that moment most definitely fits into the puzzle but minus a child “known” missing/murdered the supplies can be warranted. The store receipt doesn’t show more vinegar I don’t believe & unclear if it was later bought in my memory. If bleach were on the receipt or mentioned by LE instead of coconuts I guess (still thinking runaway child) red flags would be waving clearly. Does that make sense?

 

[DTPeke]

That first attached image... wondering what the bulk track pickup bag was for?

I did not save the link. The exact date is unknown but from memory it is shortly after TS is arrested.

AS is clearing out the house to move. Landen's aunt was in some video as well.

Likely stuff that accumulates and is discarded upon moving.

I like to think items left by TS: wedding pictures, undies, Kate Spade bags, her Lilies, diplomas but I am sure she had already cleaned out all her valuables. I imagine leaving any items that would be considered sentimental by a normal person.

 

[MsBetsy]

LE never said it was human blood, did they? It could have been someone's leaking meat order from a supermarket. LE could just check the records of the past occupants and ask them what they carried in the trunk. Doesn't seem difficult to check out.

Yes, apparently it was human blood because they said it did not match the DNA of anyone involved in the case.
I don't think they will need to find out whose blood it was, since there is enough evidence to point towards TS moving the body in her own vehicle.

The significance of the rental is that she used it because there was evidence, likely Gannons body, in the trunk of her own vehicle.

So there is probably no need to follow up with the blood in the Kia.

Imo

 

[10ofRods]

{{{Hugs}}} @SwiftTiff

Sadly, I believe Gannon's life was a lot like your childhood.

 

[nyvictoria]

Takes us down an interesting path when LE show disdain in this way.

Policing is by consent and while LE are allowed to lie in interviews (lets not go there), a license to mislead the public is surely not a direction we want our trusted LE to be going? That takes us to some dark dark places. How would we like USA to be reporting covid stats in the same way as China do?? Thats the thick end of the same wedge.

Indeed there is no need to pander to mass or social media. "No comment at this time." Simple.

Imo
I don’t see it as disdain. It’s an investigative tactic. There are times LE releases misinformation to the public when the suspect, who is part of the public audience, is avoiding them at every turn. Sometimes it’s done to prod a suspect into action. I don’t have any problem with it because I know they’re doing it for the right reasons.

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh I agree with you 100%. I apologize if it came out wrong. My thought process was I personally IMOO wouldn’t need to have a lot of supplies on hand if I had just done a complete house clean and hadn’t restocked my stash. Her timing to get those supplies at that moment most definitely fits into the puzzle but minus a child “known” missing/murdered the supplies can be warranted. The store receipt doesn’t show more vinegar I don’t believe & unclear if it was later bought in my memory. If bleach were on the receipt or mentioned by LE instead of coconuts I guess (still thinking runaway child) red flags would be waving clearly. Does that make sense?

Yes, I understand and no need to apologize!

I thought I read that she had purchased more vinegar and it was not in the text, but on the receipt.

Anyway I thought originally you were wondering if she were OCD that she could just say that she cleaned the walls and under the carpet as part of her normal routine.

So I was just pointing out why I thought that wouldn't work.

Imo

 

[Bbybluz]

She follows him and kills him, looks at the mess she has made and goes into extreme efficiency mode.
I cannot see why she opened the back slider 10 times unless she was dumping used buckets of dirty vinegar water.

heeey that makes sense about tossing the dirty water in the yard, she probably did. But those sensor alarms were too frequent for just water dumping right? I mean that would be extreme speed cleaning! I think IMO she was sitting all the bedding out there as well (especially if out of trash bags until HH can bring them home). When HH gets back from the store with Liana unbeknownst to them the back yard is a crime storage area. I would be curious if the sliding door sensors alert a few times when she later sends HH & Liana to the park searching for G. LS could take that time to bag up all the bloody evidence (forgetting her shoes & carpet) & walk it through the gate into her car located in the garage where she had HH back it up into after returning from the store. This is when she brings up the suitcase with G in it up to the car too. She finishes cleaning up until the LE get there possibly telling the girls G had an accident in his room (flu type from being sick) that she needed to clean.

MOO if Gannon came home with LS and if he went through front door MOO the ADT Ring type camera there would have video of him.

Great thinking! I always forget about those door cameras! I hope he did go through the front door for the camera but would the front door need a key if locked & sliding door only unlocked from the inside leaving those without keys having to go through the garage keypad? Just curious

 

[Fireflize]

MOO that is a good question about how the door alerts works.

If what I think I see on RDs video is true, Gannon exited truck at same time as LS and ran to the house before LS (who scarily flings her door open and MOO jumps out in a combative landing.
RD's video angle only has front half the driveway as camera is actally focused on the entrance and sidewalk of Mandan St.

MOO if Gannon came home with LS and if he went through front door MOO the ADT Ring type camera there would have video of him.

So, if he came home in truck MOO he had to have gone through the garage. Or tried to go through the gate to the back slider which seems like a very remote possibility.

MOO he ran to garage keypad punched in code ducked under the door and trying to stay ahead of LS ran down to his room and shut his door. She follows him and kills him, looks at the mess she has made and goes into extreme efficiency mode.
I cannot see why she opened the back slider 10 times unless she was dumping used buckets of dirty vinegar water.

Sounds reasonable that he would use garage pad to enter, people often keep front door locked. Their kids know the code and can enter without having to keep up with a key.

 

[crhedBngr]

Here for Gannon.

 

[MsBetsy]

Takes us down an interesting path when LE show disdain in this way.

Policing is by consent and while LE are allowed to lie in interviews (lets not go there), a license to mislead the public is surely not a direction we want our trusted LE to be going? That takes us to some dark dark places. How would we like USA to be reporting covid stats in the same way as China do?? Thats the thick end of the same wedge.

Indeed there is no need to pander to mass or social media. "No comment at this time." Simple.

I think it's much different when it involves a murder investigation.
The intent is not to mislead, but to protect the integrity of the investigation. LE made that very clear.

Yet over and over again the media asks the same questions, knowing that LE cannot answer. At least they took the time to explain why, rather than just saying "no comment."

We don't know the particular reason why they would not say it was a criminal investigation, although it was pretty obvious that it was.

Maybe they thought it would just increase speculation. Maybe they were afraid TS would run. (which she did, and more) Her every move was to avoid being caught or to prevent LE from finding the body, so why would they give her even more information?

I think the decision to reveal information depends on the case. Every suspect is unique, so they do what they think is best. Sometimes they come right out and say someone is a suspect from the start.

TS tried to manipulate and mislead from the moment she decided to commit murder. Investigators knew who they were dealing with, and acted accordingly.

I don't see how their decision in any way harmed the public. They weren't dealing with a serial killer so there was no need to warn the public of any danger.

Imo

 

[Boxer]

heeey that makes sense about tossing the dirty water in the yard, she probably did. But those sensor alarms were too frequent for just water dumping right? I mean that would be extreme speed cleaning! I think IMO she was sitting all the bedding out there as well (especially if out of trash bags until HH can bring them home). When HH gets back from the store with Liana unbeknownst to them the back yard is a crime storage area. I would be curious if the sliding door sensors alert a few times when she later sends HH & Liana to the park searching for G. LS could take that time to bag up all the bloody evidence (forgetting her shoes & carpet) & walk it through the gate into her car located in the garage where she had HH back it up into after returning from the store. This is when she brings up the suitcase with G in it up to the car too. She finishes cleaning up until the LE get there possibly telling the girls G had an accident in his room (flu type from being sick) that she needed to clean.



Great thinking! I always forget about those door cameras! I hope he did go through the front door for the camera but would the front door need a key if locked & sliding door only unlocked from the inside leaving those without keys having to go through the garage keypad? Just curious

MOO It really takes a family insider who knows what the family habits are. Some kids for instance would never use a front door unless forced to, and that slider looks completely unused except for letting dogs out.

 

[Bbybluz]

Simple door and window open/close sensors typically consist of a two-piece design:

The first item is a magnet enclosed in a plastic case, usually attached to the moving element, a front door, a bedroom door, a window sash, a gate, a garage door, etc.

The second item could be one of two types of sensors: a magnetic reed switch (a mechanical element) that closes an electrical contact when a magnet is placed within close proximity to the switch. The other type is a Hall Effect (non-mechanical element) active element that outputs a signal, the level of which varies with the distance between the magnet and the sensor.

Either sensor design senses 'opened' or closed' state of the portal to which it is attached. The sensors do not count how many objects might pass through those portals. Such a counting process could be facilitated through use of specifically-positioned infrared, laser or ultrasonic sensors or camera/object recognition systems.

I've worked in the electronics field for decades.

TY so much for explaining this!! I’ve never dealt with ADT or sensor security before. So I hate to admit my brain tries to sneak to the ole chewing gum wrapper logic lol.

 

[LietKynes]

I think it's much different when it involves a murder investigation.
The intent is not to mislead, but to protect the integrity of the investigation. LE made that very clear.

Yet over and over again the media asks the same questions, knowing that LE cannot answer. At least they took the time to explain why, rather than just saying "no comment."

We don't know the particular reason why they would not say it was a criminal investigation, although it was pretty obvious that it was.

Maybe they thought it would just increase speculation. Maybe they were afraid TS would run. (which she did, and more) Her every move was to avoid being caught or to prevent LE from finding the body, so why would they give her even more information?

I think the decision to reveal information depends on the case. Every suspect is unique, so they do what they think is best. Sometimes they come right out and say someone is a suspect from the start.

TS tried to manipulate and mislead from the moment she decided to commit murder. Investigators knew who they were dealing with, and acted accordingly.

I don't see how their decision in any way harmed the public. They weren't dealing with a serial killer so there was no need to warn the public of any danger.

Imo

Bbm.

Ita.
And some perps have been caught by LE withholding or putting out misleading information.

 

[GordianKnot]

 

[Error505]

Its also some kind of dissonance to be okay with LE misleading the public on day 1 and also trust the AA to be written in full and frank good faith.

LS is the one who misled the public, LE, Gannon’s mother and father, her own daughter and relatives, neighbors and residents of CoS in my opinion.
My thoughts:
MOO LE owes the public nothing in the way of information that would compromise their ongoing investigation as long as the general public is not endangered by information not shared. I feel pretty certain when LE started trying to piece together the lies coming from LS, they had an educated guess that G was no longer alive. The lies told by LS wasted valuable time and resources (human and resource wise). There’s a ton of info in the AA but only what is needed to prompt an arrest.

LE was looking for the Tiguan as early as Tuesday evening, 24 hours after G “ran away”. They couldn’t locate the car and TS lies about where it was parked. There had to have been a few who were suspicious then.

By noon Wednesday, within 36 hours or so of G’s disappearance, TS puts on a real show during her interview with LE.

And again, this is just my own opinion.
Here4Gannon Happy Easter

 

[MassGuy]

Its also some kind of dissonance to be okay with LE misleading the public on day 1 and also trust the AA to be written in full and frank good faith.

Not really. I have zero issue with them not tipping their hand to a murder suspect. It’s not as if many people here were fooled by their statements and posture.

If they were to come out and call this a criminal investigation, then everyone would know who the suspect was.

By not calling it that, they clearly felt there were some advantages.

I care about what they do, not what they say. What they do, tells you all you need to know. What they Tweet, and what they tell reporters is one thing, but the AA is based on actual evidence and reason.

This is completely standard, and we see it all the time. I’d rather the integrity of the investigation be upheld, than law enforcement sabotage their case by telling the media exactly what is going on.

It’s not like we didn’t know.

 

[BitchieBlackmore]

DBM

I'm a bit new here and am still getting the hang of posting!

 

[Boxer]

Takes us down an interesting path when LE show disdain in this way.

Policing is by consent and while LE are allowed to lie in interviews (lets not go there), a license to mislead the public is surely not a direction we want our trusted LE to be going? That takes us to some dark dark places. How would we like USA to be reporting covid stats in the same way as China do?? Thats the thick end of the same wedge.

Indeed there is no need to pander to mass or social media. "No comment at this time." Simple.

MOO this is another way to look at it, calling a person a suspect in the media before police have at least enough evidence to convince a judge to sign an arrest warrrant seems like the greater infridgement on civil rights.

The fact this case started as a runaway --missing, bringing in S&A resources evolving to probable family murder with alibis of being kidnapped and raped means hundreds of search warrants for cameras and devices and thousands of hours of review and correlation of the data
When LS gave them a kidnap rape story, a story of a cut foot and nosebleeds to explain blood, the alibis needed to be confirmed or debunked with more review and for instance warrants for employment records looking for the existence of "Eguardo."
Add the already massive physical ongoing search with half a dozen agencies who were looking for body either dead from exposure or hidden by a killer.
IMHO 2/15 marks the first evidence AFAIK (board and sock) that squarely and unequivically pointed to LS, as the location correlated with the Tiguan and rental car, visits on two known occasions.

That week also marks the redoubling of effort by the forensic team at the Stauch house.
She was arrested 17 days later.
Probably 10 days after DNA confirmation from the Perry Park Rd. evidence.
Two and half weeks seems like barely enough time to accurately document assemble and present the evidence collected during the investigation to the court.

I dont think tthe EPSO was didsdainful, MOO to me it is more that they feared making mistakes with so many facets to the case.

MOO Without this huge effort this could have happened:
A boy ran away and was never heard from again. Some suspected the stepmom, but she moved away and the case went cold.

 

[Error505]

Now as far as her Trial goes.. no Live coverage in the Court?

Correct according to the judge during the advisement hearing.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...rges to occur on March 11 2020 at 4 00 pm.pdf