Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

[RaspberryMama]

Thank you. I am behind reading on WS because I have been following another case. I now have read the above post. Interesting. But I had read the MSM (before) about this development and I still cannot find any story in the MSM that reported DID. I don't regularly read Twitter except when a court proceeding is live. Who tweeted the defense said they meant DID?

Thanks!

I will have time tonight to look through Twitter and see if I can find that. Funny how at first glance it sounds like the defense didn't really want to say DID.

 

[NCWatcher]

I will have time tonight to look through Twitter and see if I can find that. Funny how at first glance it sounds like the defense didn't really want to say DID.

I wonder about that too. They may have simply not wanted information about their defense strategy to be known at this point. That would not be unusual. But it's odd (to me) how the diagnosis wasn't reported by the MSM, at least not that I can find. Once it was mentioned in court, you'd think it would have been in news stories about the new evaluation, not just in a tweet somewhere.

Thanks in advance for any other info you can find.

 

[RaspberryMama]

Thank you. I am behind reading on WS because I have been following another case. I now have read the above post. Interesting. But I had read the MSM (before) about this development and I still cannot find any story in the MSM that reported DID. I don't regularly read Twitter except when a court proceeding is live. Who tweeted the defense said they meant DID?

Thanks!

Found a tweet. BBM:

Lauren Scharf (@LaurenScharfTV) Tweeted:
Now they are discussing #LeteciaStauch mental state. The defense is claiming she suffers from Disassociative Identity Disorder. The judge is talking about the state hospital having a 352+ waitlist as of 2 weeks ago & there is a slim chance she would get that done soon. https://twitter.com/LaurenScharfTV/status/1469052557897056259?s=20

 

[RaspberryMama]

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Found a tweet. BBM:

Lauren Scharf (@LaurenScharfTV) Tweeted:
Now they are discussing #LeteciaStauch mental state. The defense is claiming she suffers from Disassociative Identity Disorder. The judge is talking about the state hospital having a 352+ waitlist as of 2 weeks ago & there is a slim chance she would get that done soon. https://twitter.com/LaurenScharfTV/status/1469052557897056259?s=20

So, I don't know if that was something this reporter heard in the courtroom or an assumption she made about which dissociative disorder was being discussed.

 

[BeckyF]

If there was ever a case where it appears the perpetrator is receiving waaay more consideration than the victim, it is this one. Wow! Unreal.

 

[BeckyF]

I don't think LS has had an opportunity for a proper medical diagnosis since she's been incarcerated. I think if this diagnosis had previously been made during her last in-patient evaluation, I believe the defense would have acted on this allegation of DID much earlier.

I think the latest allegation in court was made that they could seek another evaluation at the court's request. I think the defense is essentially looking for tools, and not that they're necessarily worried about LS's mental health. JMO.

Sounds like a personal problem on the part of the defense. Sarcasm is not directed to you, Seattle1. This tools the defense is using is a drain on the court system.

 

[NCWatcher]

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So, I don't know if that was something this reporter heard in the courtroom or an assumption she made about which dissociative disorder was being discussed.

Thanks so much for looking for the tweet.

I'm inclined to look at the Scharf tweet skeptically. I think we all may be being led down the wrong path information-wise by this particular reporter. Here's why.

1. No other reporter has seemed to report the defense is claiming DID. And if it's true, it's certainly relevant information.

2. No published story contains the information that the defense stated they are claiming DID (that I can find.) Interestingly, even Lauren Scharf's own published story refers only to "a dissociative disorder" Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado
(although her story does include her tweets that I think are probably wrong.)

3. The way the disclosure is described in the tweet is not the way the disclosure was described here on WS. Here, as previously discussed, it's was as though the type of dissociative disorder almost had to be forced out of the defense by repeated questions from the judge. But the tweet makes it sound like the defense simply said it upfront fairly casually ("Now they are discussing #LeteciaStauch mental state. The defense is claiming she suffers from Disassociative Identity Disorder.") I just don't think other reporters would have missed that claim if it happened the way this reporter says.

4. This reporter is not one of the main ones I've seen quoted during this story. I understand she's been involved in reporting on other high-profile crimes. But hasn't been a main player on this story on WS, so far as I know.

5. This reporter was careless with her words or misunderstood what was going on at least one other time during this hearing. She tweeted (BBM)

"Judge Werner advised #LeteciaStauch she may remain silent during the evaluation. They don't know when the evaluation will happen. The judge is concerned she will be at the bottom of the waitlist for the competency evaluation at the state hospital."

According to every story I've read (plus common sense and my knowledge of evaluation types) Judge Werner specifically said this evaluation is NOT a competency evaluation. There is plenty of discussion reported that suggests the dissociative diagnosis is being investigated as relevant to LS's behavior AFTER GS's death. Obviously that would have nothing to do with competency to stand trial.

I honestly think this tweet about DID is probably wrong. That doesn't mean DID might not be the diagnosis, but I don't think the defense ever stated that in court. I think it's much more likely the reporter misunderstood or simply assumed it was DID that was being discussed as that is the best known of the dissociative disorders. For example, in undergrad abnormal psyc courses that may be the only dissociative disorder covered.

The other dissociative disorders (amnesia and depersonalization/derealization) seem much more relevant to me to the context the defense has described (behavior after GS's death.) Of course, maybe the defense attorneys do mean DID but I sure wouldn't bet on it based on that tweet. But thanks again for finding it.
JMO

 

[Seattle1]

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So, I don't know if that was something this reporter heard in the courtroom or an assumption she made about which dissociative disorder was being discussed.

If I remember correctly, the comment by the defense specifically citing LS suffered from DID came after the Judge stated he had insufficient information on any Disassociative Disorder to address and/or decide the issue. (There are four known types of DD that I cited earlier).

I also think the Judge was speaking from the position where there were at least two prior competency evaluations for LS which probably didn't address or even touch DD as part of her diagnosis. JMO

ETA: add prior discussion links

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

 

[NCWatcher]

If I remember correctly, the comment by the defense specifically citing LS suffered from DID came after the Judge stated he had insufficient information on any Disassociative Disorder to address and/or decide the issue. (There are four known types of DD that I cited earlier).

I also think the Judge was speaking from the position where there were at least two prior competency evaluations for LS which probably didn't address or even touch DD as part of her diagnosis. JMO

ETA: add prior discussion links

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

Maybe it's just me, but I still think it's very odd only one reporter (Scharf) noticed what the defense said, especially if it happened in response to prolonged questioning from the judge!! That's when news is made!! And in Scharf's published story about that hearing she doesn't mention DID. She states "a dissociative disorder."
Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado

DID is only mentioned in her tweet so far as I can tell. And courtroom tweets sometimes are wrong as they are made in "real time."

Also, a minor point but the 4 Dissociative Disorders you mentioned in your earlier post-- dissociative amnesia, dissociative fugue, depersonalisation disorder and dissociative identity disorder-- come from DSM-IV/DSM-IV TR (1994/2000) not DSM-5 (2013). So a bit out of date. In DSM-5 there are 3 dissociative disorders-- dissociative amnesia (subsumes fugue), depersonalisation/derealization disorder (new name & new criteria) and dissociative identity disorder.

JMO

 

[RaspberryMama]

If I remember correctly, the comment by the defense specifically citing LS suffered from DID came after the Judge stated he had insufficient information on any Disassociative Disorder to address and/or decide the issue. (There are four known types of DD that I cited earlier).

I also think the Judge was speaking from the position where there were at least two prior competency evaluations for LS which probably didn't address or even touch DD as part of her diagnosis. JMO

ETA: add prior discussion links

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #52

Seattle1, was the statement that included the word "identity" something you heard yourself? I would love to see some confirmation that defense said that. Otherwise I fear we are barking up the wrong tree.

I've suffered a sort of amnesia when trying to recall past trauma, and I bet I'm not the only one here that has experienced that. If it isn't DID, my feeling is it's dissociative amnesia. Not that I believe her one bit, but that seems more likely to be what she claims. Imo.

 

[Seattle1]

Seattle1, was the statement that included the word "identity" something you heard yourself? I would love to see some confirmation that defense said that. Otherwise I fear we are barking up the wrong tree.

I've suffered a sort of amnesia when trying to recall past trauma, and I bet I'm not the only one here that has experienced that. If it isn't DID, my feeling is it's dissociative amnesia. Not that I believe her one bit, but that seems more likely to be what she claims. Imo.

No audio here as news cameras are not allowed in the Colorado courtrooms except for advisement and arraignment. We are stuck with court hearing news by twitter.

The quote for "identity" was specifically by the defense and not attributed to any other source.

 

[Seattle1]

Sounds like a personal problem on the part of the defense. Sarcasm is not directed to you, Seattle1. This tools the defense is using is a drain on the court system.

LS defense probably thinks their only option is to suppress evidence and they need the evaluation to attempt this. And not surprised after LS was a no-show in court, again. They have their hands full with that one....

 

[Seattle1]

Colette Bordelon
@ColetteBordelon

NEW: A couple of court documents have been published in #LeteciaStauch's case. She's the El Paso County woman accused of killing her 11-year-old stepson, #GannonStauch. There's a few portions of the documents I want to point out...

@DenverChannel



4:08 PM · Dec 17, 2021·

Colette Bordelon
@ColetteBordelon

One, filed by #LeteciaStauch's defense team, says an insanity plea is NOT off the table. In court, it's been said the mental health evaluation she's undergoing is not related to competency or insanity, but if it proves insanity, could be introduced at trial as such:


4:13 PM · Dec 17, 2021·

^If you're wondering about the above picture, NGRI stands for "not guilty by reason of insanity." We also know what counts the defense will primarily use the new mental health evaluation evidence for - Counts 3&4. We knew it was related to charges after #Gannon's alleged murder.



4:16 PM · Dec 17, 2021·

And right here [down arrow] #LeteciaStauch's team says since the mental health evaluation is not in connection to Counts 1&2 (first-degree murder charges) - she should be allowed to remain silent about those. They argue it's the only way for the evaluation to be constitutional:



4:20 PM · Dec 17, 2021

Plus, the court has DENIED her request to keep her jail visitor logs confidential. AND, if she once again does not show up to court in person, she must give the court a week's notice. #GannonStauch #LeteciaStauch
@DenverChannel


4:25 PM · Dec 17, 2021

 

[crhedBngr]

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This video clip.

To me, LS has a "Yes, I committed this crime, but you'll never prove it" look on her face.

Pure evil.

JMVHO.

 

[Megnut]

She's a hot mess but that's not a defense, merely an explanation. Bet her communications using HH's phone or a new phone were plenty lucid. She rented a car. Bet she was lucid. A lifetime of mismanaged mental health issues is no defense.

I bet she twirls after imaginary butterflies only when she thinks she's being watched.

It's only remarkable that she managed to skirt serious crime until this point in her life.

More than ever, I can't wait until we can forget her all together.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I wonder about that too. They may have simply not wanted information about their defense strategy to be known at this point. That would not be unusual. But it's odd (to me) how the diagnosis wasn't reported by the MSM, at least not that I can find. Once it was mentioned in court, you'd think it would have been in news stories about the new evaluation, not just in a tweet somewhere.

Thanks in advance for any other info you can find.

1. No other reporter has seemed to report the defense is claiming DID. And if it's true, it's certainly relevant information.

2. No published story contains the information that the defense stated they are claiming DID (that I can find.) Interestingly, even Lauren Scharf's own published story refers only to "a dissociative disorder" Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado (although her story does include her tweets that I think are probably wrong.)

^^rsbm

Pursuant to the 12/9/21 hearing, the court issued Order-18 citing that LS must provide the court 7 days notice PRIOR TO THE HEARING when she will not appear in person. (Item #2).

The order also cites that LS will be evaluated at CMHIP for a [REDACTED] mental condition raised by LS for some of the charges in this case, and the evaluators will be provided with LS competency evaluations that were previously performed for this case. (Item #3).

IMO, the Judge perhaps quoted HIPAA in court instructing media not to identify the alleged or undiagnosed 'mental condition' (i.e., DID disorder) after LS tweet and LS honored the instruction. I don't think one should ignore that this alleged condition provided by the defense was clearly redacted by the court in its Order.


https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/[O-18] Order.pdf

 

[NCWatcher]

^^rsbm

Pursuant to the 12/9/21 hearing, the court issued Order-18 citing that LS must provide the court 7 days notice PRIOR TO THE HEARING when she will not appear in person. (Item #2).

The order also cites that LS will be evaluated at CMHIP for a [REDACTED] mental condition raised by LS for some of the charges in this case, and the evaluators will be provided with LS competency evaluations that were previously performed for this case. (Item #3).

IMO, the Judge perhaps quoted HIPAA in court instructing media not to identify the alleged or undiagnosed 'mental condition' (i.e., DID disorder) after LS tweet and LS honored the instruction. I don't think one should ignore that this alleged condition provided by the defense was clearly redacted by the court in its Order.

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https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/[O-18] Order.pdf

Maybe you are right. Still doesn't make sense to me.

And that would have to be the oddest interpretation of HIPAA I've ever heard (although that could be how this judge thinks. I hope not!)

But according to that interpretation, it's perfectly OK HIPAA-wise to report the defense claimed she has "a dissociative disorder" but not OK to say Dissociative Identity Disorder? (DID) Similarly, it would be OK to report a defense team claimed a defendant had "a bipolar disorder" but not OK to report he/she had Bipolar I? Or OK for a hospital to release info saying Patient X had "a cardiac event" but not OK to say he had an infarction or an arrhythmia?

It doesn't make sense to me that IF Scharf was trying to conform to this odd variation of HIPAA she'd say "a dissociative disorder" in her article BUT embed in that same article her tweet that said DID. In addition, the judge knew the hearing was to raise mental health defense issues. If he was going to get his robe in a twist over HIPAA (which doesn't make much sense anyway when talking about a mental health legal defense) why didn't he make some announcement to reporters & others present at the start of the hearing rather than try to un-ring the bell after tweets were made? But IF that's what he did, why didn't any other reporter tweet about DID before the judge's HIPAA warning? And why did they all simply say "a dissociative disorder?"

I think Scharf is convinced the defense said DID or (more likely IMO) even if they didn't say that, she's sure that's what they meant. She wrote in her article
Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado

"Stauch’s defense attorney’s Will Cook and Josh Tolini claim she is suffering from a dissociative disorder. Someone with this disorder suddenly becomes observers of their own speech and actions, or their bodies may feel different to them...."

But see What Are Dissociative Disorders?

It says "People with dissociative identity disorder may feel that they have suddenly become observers of their own speech and actions, or their bodies may feel different..."

So not only does it appear she plagiarized, but she didn't plagiarize a description of Dissociative Disorders in general (a MUCH more useful description for the lay public IMO) but chose to plagiarize a description of DID (although people with Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder may have those experiences too. That description does not apply to Dissociative Amnesia though.)

Better in my opinion to copy this general description from the above source:

"Dissociative disorders involve problems with memory, identity, emotion, perception, behavior and sense of self. Dissociative symptoms can potentially disrupt every area of mental functioning."

I guess we'll eventually find out the diagnosis in this case.
JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I think Scharf is convinced the defense said DID or (more likely IMO) even if they didn't say that, she's sure that's what they meant. She wrote in her article
Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado

"Stauch’s defense attorney’s Will Cook and Josh Tolini claim she is suffering from a dissociative disorder. Someone with this disorder suddenly becomes observers of their own speech and actions, or their bodies may feel different to them...."

So not only does it appear she plagiarized, but she didn't plagiarize a description of Dissociative Disorders in general (a MUCH more useful description for the lay public IMO) but chose to plagiarize a description of DID (although people with Depersonalization/Derealization Disorder may have those experiences too. That description does not apply to Dissociative Amnesia though.)

^^rsbm

I need to clarify or amend my understanding of what transpired at the hearing after trusting OP's post as an accurate account of LS report and/or the full content of the link depicting LS/Fox21 report.

To be clear, the link ALSO includes a 1:47 min video broadcast where LS does in fact state that the defense believes LS suffers from DID -- which is consistent with her tweet. After listening to LS's linked video, it further makes my thoughts about the Judge moot.

If one also followed the hearing tweets, preferably in order of the live hearing, it would also be clear to the reader that the courtroom was having technical difficulties, session a bit disjointed, and where the Judge even left the courtroom at one point.

Given the complete description and/or content of LS report on the hearing, I don't understand OP's strong language against this specific reporter -- especially the accusation that LS somehow plagiarized. I certainly don't agree with this characterization and also think it's inappropriate in this context where Colorado reporters serve us in what we've come to know as trial by Twitter.

pla·gia·rize
/ˈplājəˌrīz/
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verb
past tense: plagiarized; past participle: plagiarized

1. take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
   "he was fined $6,000 for having plagiarized the song"
2. copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own.

MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

^^rsbm

I need to clarify or amend my understanding of what transpired at the hearing after trusting OP's post as an accurate account of LS report and/or the full content of the link depicting LS/Fox21 report.

To be clear, the link ALSO includes a 1:47 min video broadcast where LS does in fact state that the defense believes LS suffers from DID -- which is consistent with her tweet. After listening to LS's linked video, it further makes my thoughts about the Judge moot.

If one also followed the hearing tweets, preferably in order of the live hearing, it would also be clear to the reader that the courtroom was having technical difficulties, session a bit disjointed, and where the Judge even left the courtroom at one point.

Given the complete description and/or content of LS report on the hearing, I don't understand OP's strong language against this specific reporter -- especially the accusation that LS somehow plagiarized. I certainly don't agree with this characterization and also think it's inappropriate in this context where Colorado reporters serve us in what we've come to know as trial by Twitter.

pla·gia·rize
/ˈplājəˌrīz/
Learn to pronounce

verb
past tense: plagiarized; past participle: plagiarized

1. take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
   "he was fined $6,000 for having plagiarized the song"
2. copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own.

MOO

I said the reporter appeared to plagiarize because the description of "a dissociative disorder" in her article is exactly the same as the words on Psychiatry.org, an APA site describing Dissociative Identity Disorder. It's not just that the excerpt seems to be copied with NO attribution to the source, the borrowed words further muddle tbe issue of a dissociative disorder vs DID. So it's relevant IMO because goes to the heart of the issue we were discussing.

I'm not talking about a technical term or two being the same (which would be quite understandable.) And honestly, the two cited symptoms aren't the most obvious ones or even the most distressing to the patient so the word overlap is highly unlikely to be "accidental" IMO. To show the words again,

She wrote:

"Stauch’s defense attorney’s Will Cook and Josh Tolini claim she is suffering from a dissociative disorder. Someone with this disorder suddenly becomes observers of their own speech and actions, or their bodies may feel different to them...."

Third mental evaluation for Letecia Stauch poses possible murder trial delay | FOX21 News Colorado

And Psychiatry.org states

"People with dissociative identity disorder may feel that they have suddenly become observers of their own speech and actions, or their bodies may feel different..."

What Are Dissociative Disorders?

Her words refer to "someone" (singular) with "a dissociative disorder" (as in one of several possible dissociative disorders) but then she states that with "this disorder" (as in a specific disorder) these things happen. The psychiatry site refers to people (plural) with DID. So her words end up being inaccurate and disjointed. That made the apparent plagiarism jump out.

I do appreciate the work reporters do but I don't automatically accept everything that appears in the press.

I still think it's very odd this reporter is the only one who reported DID. And I think its odd she didn't mention DID in the main text of her published article (link above.) What she did or did not say in a brief broadcast somewhere is not as relevant to me as what she wrote in an article. People can and do misspeak. But a reporter writing for publication is more deliberative and the product is proofed or should be. And she wrote "a dissociative disorder" in the article. That's just not in dispute. Link is above. AND as I wrote earlier, she also suggested in a tweet the judge referred to the upcoming evaluation as a "competency evaluation." The upcoming eval most definitely is not a competency eval as the judge made quite clear according to multiple other reporters. So I do wonder if she is reporting accurately on what the defense said.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Dissociative disorders

Overview, Symptoms, Causes, Risk Factors, Complications, and Prevention:

Dissociative disorders - Symptoms and causes