Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #20

[Frig]

It's a self sealing evidence paper that they make evidence bags of any size out of. Moo

It's a roll, so I don't think it's self-sealing, but I ain't an expert.

@lindaromas posted a link that says "Our heavy-duty white Kraft paper is ideal for lining the bottom of drying closets and other equipment to help collect possible trace evidence that may be lost during the drying process. It is also utilized to display evidence for photographing and can be used to help properly preserve biological fluid patterns that may be present."

So it could be used for to package evidence, but I think it's use in this case was much more mundane. We'll find out eventually, hopefully.

 

[Coloradomomandgrandma]

I wonder if they found something in the land search that led them back to the house. Idk. But I do wonder if the 8 year old is talking a bit. Like, Gannon had to go to the garage when he was in trouble....
I wonder if punishment was carried out away from the eyes and ears of the girls in the home. Plus, in the garage, well.....my mind goes wild thinking about it.
Iirc, the police came

This goes along with some of my thinking. She said she bandaged him up in the garage after he got cut. I would typically do that kind of thing in the bathroom with my boys, because I could wash the wound, apply medication, bandages or gauze, etc. The garage just doesn't seem like the most sanitary area to clean a wound. JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Something about the shopping trip (cleared) ... is nagging at me. SM admits on MSM she went shopping but I don’t recall seeing her get out of the truck with any bags when she returned. Hmmm... Did I miss that somehow? Anyone have any further info?

The video clip released to the public was such poor quality, it's impossible to make out most of the details.
The good news is, that's not the video in police evidence, and they (LE) know exactly what she was holding, or if she was holding anything at all, when she got out of the truck.
I am confident the investigators are doing a meticulous job of logging all evidence in a comprehensive timeline, for this case.

 

[Spartygirl]

Here for Gannon !!
One Month already and he is still out there somewhere !!
Where are you little guy ???

 

[kkdj]

Another thing about the garage....
I know of some people who hang out in the garage. It's a place to smoke, maybe have a TV, small frig, etc. Did they use their garage as a place to hang out?
Is that why the people in the garage were startled that night LE came by?

 

[oviedo]

This goes along with some of my thinking. She said she bandaged him up in the garage after he got cut. I would typically do that kind of thing in the bathroom with my boys, because I could wash the wound, apply medication, bandages or gauze, etc. The garage just doesn't seem like the most sanitary area to clean a wound. JMO

I think most normal people would do this as well - unless it was hemorrhaging and you needed to quickly stop it then go to the kitchen or bathroom to clean and bandage it up - so as most have posted in these many threads - he must have bled in there - she has now had 4 weeks to think about this - I always wondered out these people can get through each day when they have killed - I hope she is suffering but I doubt it -
JMO

 

[squareandrabbet]

This goes along with some of my thinking. She said she bandaged him up in the garage after he got cut. I would typically do that kind of thing in the bathroom with my boys, because I could wash the wound, apply medication, bandages or gauze, etc. The garage just doesn't seem like the most sanitary area to clean a wound. JMO

I kinda find it borderline in terms of sketchiness, considering I could easily see AS being the kind of person who keeps a First Aid kit in the garage with his tools.

Not that I'm trying to give LS any more fodder, but I suppose it doesn't matter for the purpose of building any type of court case, as surely Al would already know if he himself keeps a first aid kit handy in the garage.

JMO, MOO, IMO

 

[Coloradomomandgrandma]

I kinda find it borderline in terms of sketchiness, considering I could easily see AS being the kind of person who keeps a First Aid kit in the garage with his tools.

Not that I'm trying to give LS any more fodder, but I suppose it doesn't matter for the purpose of building any type of court case, as surely Al would already know if he himself keeps a first aid kid handy in the garage.

JMO, MOO, IMO

I think that's one thing she did not lie about in her statement. I believe Gannon did bleed in the garage. The how's and why's of what led to him bleeding are what I doubt in her story.

 

[Seenit]

As a psychology student, I too refrain from labeling strangers over the internet with words associated with a clinical disorder. The DSM-V (standard manual for diagnosis) requires very specific criteria to be met for someone to qualify for a diagnosis. Those criteria can’t be assessed by reading a few statements or watching an interview. This is why I have stayed away from using diagnostic terms in my comments for the most part, even though I understand words like “sociopath” or “narcissist” also are used as everyday adjectives outside of the field of psychology.

What I am willing to say is that I observe she experiences/expresses emotion in a way that is not normative. At the very least, if a child disappeared for a month when in a person’s care, most people would be traumatized and stressed by something happening on their watch (guilty or innocent). We didn’t see this, even initially with LS.

This could reflect a variety of things. Perhaps her normal abilities to express emotion became impaired earlier in life. Or she may be overwhelmed and has withdrawn into a coping mechanism like “I just have to pretend everything is normal or I will collapse in grief.” Or she may have lacked social awareness/aptitude all along.

Finally, her lack of grief may be tied to the more sinister role she played in G’s disappearance. She may have an internal narrative that pitted her against G and, therefore, she does not feel bad that he is gone.

I’ve commented on which of these explanations I suspect is right for this scenario, but it’s difficult to judge her fairly or objectively because she turns off listeners with her inappropriate and flippant remarks. We assume these remarks reflect guilt of some kind (I do too), but if she is innocent by some chance, her own behaviors hurt our chances of recognizing it.

Wonderfully said!

 

[krowdkat]

Innovative Evidence Identification Markers at a Crime Scene

Great article about crime scene investigation and how they use their different tools.

 

[JuneRose]

Im not a major of any particular school subject, Ive never went to classes to learn about people and the way they act or their mannerism.
What I have done is studied many, many cases of missing children...
What I have done is attend vigils and speak to mothers and family of both the missing and the accused.
What I have done is gone on several, several searches trying to help in whatever way I could to find the precious little child that someone took away.
No I don't have a degree in anything but I know a thing or too about how a guilty person acts, I know a thing or two about how, if a child disappears the caretaker or person last seen with it is almost certain to be the one that lost them, especially when they start off more worried about themselves then the child that is gone.
I know when a child is missing a few hours you don't automatically label him a runaway instead of freak out and think someone took him.
I know you don't cause drama and spew out terrible information about the parents of that missing child all while he is being searched for.
Some things you just know!!!

 

[Jillyg]

It's a roll, so I don't think it's self-sealing, but I ain't an expert.

@lindaromas posted a link that says "Our heavy-duty white Kraft paper is ideal for lining the bottom of drying closets and other equipment to help collect possible trace evidence that may be lost during the drying process. It is also utilized to display evidence for photographing and can be used to help properly preserve biological fluid patterns that may be present."

So it could be used for to package evidence, but I think it's use in this case was much more mundane. We'll find out eventually, hopefully.

Pretty sure it's a roll of large paper bags. Basic crime scene staple supply staple.
I have used them. That's how I know. It's identical.

 

[FlamingJane]

Im not a major of any particular school subject, Ive never went to classes to learn about people and the way they act or their mannerism.
What I have done is studied many, many cases of missing children...
What I have done is attend vigils and speak to mothers and family of both the missing and the accused.
What I have done is gone on several, several searches trying to help in whatever way I could to find the precious little child that someone took away.
No I don't have a degree in anything but I know a thing or too about how a guilty person acts, I know a thing or two about how, if a child disappears the caretaker or person last seen with it is almost certain to be the one that lost them, especially when they start off more worried about themselves then the child that is gone.
I know when a child is missing a few hours you don't automatically label him a runaway instead of freak out and think someone took him.
I know you don't cause drama and spew out terrible information about the parents of that missing child all while he is being searched for.
Some things you just know!!!

For sure. Instincts are definitely important in reading people!

 

[kkdj]

I think that's one thing she did not lie about in her interview. I believe Gannon did bleed in the garage. The how's and why's of what led to him bleeding are what I doubt in her story.

Oh I believe he bled in the garage too. That's why she told us the story of him getting hurt in the garage. Because she knew there was going to be blood evidence found in there. I question the story of how he got hurt.
I'm still trying to figure out the gate and key story. That one has me going mmmmmm. Hopefully it got caught on someone's video. But she had a reason for telling it... jmo

 

[Coloradomomandgrandma]

Oh I believe he bled in the garage too. That's why she told us the story of him getting hurt in the garage. Because she knew there was going to be blood evidence found in there. I question the story of how he got hurt.
I'm still trying to figure out the gate and key story. That one has me going mmmmmm. Hopefully it got caught on someone's video. But she had a reason for telling it... jmo

The key and gate story is a head-scratcher for me too. I suppose when this case proceeds to an arrest, trial, etc., we will learn about the key and the gate. I hope LE is getting closer.

 

[kkdj]

Interesting how LS tells of things she thinks might be evidence. Did she say much about anything that wouldn't be? Seems it's all about saving her instead of saving Gannon. One should think before they speak, actually.

 

[Bellecent]

Agree with parts of your statement. I hate to sound as if I’m qualified to diagnose (which I’m not... at all), but I will say that these disorders become easier to spot once you’ve seen it before. A sociopath has many of the same characteristics as the narcissist. Main difference being that they have no problem violating the rights of others to get their way. Like the narc, no ability for empathy or true remorse for their actions against another. Ability to lie and lie and lie without fear of consequences of being found out, they’ll just lie again (Which is why many mention CA). Their lies can make you crazy, make you question every tiny tidbit of information that you do have (as witnessed in these 20 threads), etc. They gaslight, they’re usually victims, they have zero self awareness because in their mind - their actions are justifiable, are self centered, etc. In my unprofessional opinion, TS fits this bill from what I’ve seen. I can’t try to make any sense of her non-sense.

Both Narc and Socio are extremely low self esteem, falsely confident, are usually abusers, feel the need to put others down in order to build themselves up, etc.

IMO

I have first hand experience with a sociopath/narcissist from my recent past. To me SM does show some traits. Limited trust in what she says. Her actions or lack of action speaks for itself.

 

[Knox]

As a psychology student, I too refrain from labeling strangers over the internet with words associated with a clinical disorder. The DSM-V (standard manual for diagnosis) requires very specific criteria to be met for someone to qualify for a diagnosis. Those criteria can’t be assessed by reading a few statements or watching an interview. This is why I have stayed away from using diagnostic terms in my comments for the most part, even though I understand words like “sociopath” or “narcissist” also are used as everyday adjectives outside of the field of psychology.

What I am willing to say is that I observe she experiences/expresses emotion in a way that is not normative. At the very least, if a child disappeared for a month when in a person’s care, most people would be traumatized and stressed by something happening on their watch (guilty or innocent). We didn’t see this, even initially with LS.

This could reflect a variety of things. Perhaps her normal abilities to express emotion became impaired earlier in life. Or she may be overwhelmed and has withdrawn into a coping mechanism like “I just have to pretend everything is normal or I will collapse in grief.” Or she may have lacked social awareness/aptitude all along.

Finally, her lack of grief may be tied to the more sinister role she played in G’s disappearance. She may have an internal narrative that pitted her against G and, therefore, she does not feel bad that he is gone.

I’ve commented on which of these explanations I suspect is right for this scenario, but it’s difficult to judge her fairly or objectively because she turns off listeners with her inappropriate and flippant remarks. We assume these remarks reflect guilt of some kind (I do too), but if she is innocent by some chance, her own behaviors hurt our chances of recognizing it.

No degree here, just lots of life experience. However you choose to label, diagnose, or relate to what TS has said in the media interview or the written statement. Something is not right in her head, it comes out for all the world to see when she speaks. The "why" she harmed Gannon will only be important in court when it comes to sentencing. I'm willing to bet that no one in Gannon's life would have ever seen something like this coming. TS works with kids at the professional level. I think it's safe to assume something set her off and she reacted. Couldn't rewind, and she's been covering it up since then.

EPCSD is ramping up to make an arrest, whether they find Gannon or not. They keep coming back to the house and removing evidence, they know what happened. Will she crack and tell the truth? I think her story will be partly fiction, with a bit of truth to fit the evidence. A "Gannon made me do it", with TS as the victim of circumstances.

 

[H73]

Tessa Majors' Murder: Police Bluff Led to Teen's Confession
This is why LE doesn't release much information. You don’t want the suspect to know what you have, what you don’t have, what is true, what is not true. Granted the suspect in the attached is only 13 but just the same you want the suspect guessing.

 

[Kyte]

The key and gate story is a head-scratcher for me too. I suppose when this case proceeds to an arrest, trial, etc., we will learn about the key and the gate. I hope LE is getting closer.

I think TS used the gate story to explain why he wasn't caught on camera leaving for errr his friends house/got kidnapped!!!
Maybe TS was killing two birds with one stone with this story..?
There could be spots of blood near the gate area...?
Maybe TS gave Gannon a nosebleed...?
Maybe the key will turn up somewhere unexpected and she is preparing incase it's found and will fit with her tall tales...?