Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #20

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  • #141
What would someone do to stage a runaway? Just thinking... pack a bag and leave it to be found fairly easily to stage “an abduction?” Scatter a few random items in other places to further the appearance of such? All in a completely different direction than where they may have actually placed or disposed of or hidden, etc. a body? That would certainly complicate things!
Yikes, I ran away once and took my pillow, favorite things, and food. Only a kid who has runaway would know what to pack. I’d expect favorite things then to be found. That’s the only way it’s make sense. Imo
 
  • #142
I question how TS was treated growing up?? I question if this house that is being searched - might there be (not sure how to word it) remnants, hairs, so forth from the last residents that moved out?
 
  • #143
What would someone do to stage a runaway? Just thinking... pack a bag and leave it to be found fairly easily to stage “an abduction?” Scatter a few random items in other places to further the appearance of such? All in a completely different direction than where they may have actually placed or disposed of or hidden, etc. a body? That would certainly complicate things!
DUP
 
  • #144
And another thing...when trying to come to grips with a missing child the last thing to elaborate on would be how a gate is controlled and how an 11 year old is the only one with a key...I have two grown kids and two grandchildren (8 and 4 months) and discussing how they are so responsible to keep checking a gate or door would be way down on my list of things to bring up during the initial interviews with LE...just sayin'

I wouldn't let my husband (or myself) be the only one with a key to something. Locks come with 2 keys - if you can't get a key made, buy a new lock.
 
  • #145
I question how TS was treated growing up?? I question if this house that is being searched - might there be (not sure how to word it) remnants, hairs, so forth from the last residents that moved out?

I thought maybe the house was so new that the Stauch's might be the first residents. But not sure...
 
  • #146
To me, the "trigger" to set LS off into a rage would be anytime GS mentioned his bio mom. LS probably did put a lot into caring for her step kids... But to most children, there is never anyone better than their bio parents, no matter how hard the step parent tries. So, whenever he talked lovingly about his bio mom, or possibly stated "you're not my mom" it upset her. And throw in jealousy too ... No better way to hurt someone than to hurt their child.

I personally have a son, who has hasn't seen or talked to his bio dad in over a year....My child glows with love when he mentions his bio dad. His bio dad is worthless, but my child thinks he is a super hero....I would never break his heart and tell him otherwise. My husband is an amazing step dad, but no matter how many bedtime stories he reads, how many times he pitches a baseball....he will never be the "super hero" his bio dad is.
True. A still married couple I know includes a narcissist dad. The wife said her husband does not like the son “to call mom” either. He threatened to throw away the sons phone/watch if he called his mom.
 
  • #147
Im not a major of any particular school subject, Ive never went to classes to learn about people and the way they act or their mannerism.
What I have done is studied many, many cases of missing children...
What I have done is attend vigils and speak to mothers and family of both the missing and the accused.
What I have done is gone on several, several searches trying to help in whatever way I could to find the precious little child that someone took away.
No I don't have a degree in anything but I know a thing or too about how a guilty person acts, I know a thing or two about how, if a child disappears the caretaker or person last seen with it is almost certain to be the one that lost them, especially when they start off more worried about themselves then the child that is gone.
I know when a child is missing a few hours you don't automatically label him a runaway instead of freak out and think someone took him.
I know you don't cause drama and spew out terrible information about the parents of that missing child all while he is being searched for.
Some things you just know!!!
Exactly.
When an adult loses a young child in a retail store after a just few searching minutes its Def Con 9.
Lose an 11 year old boy at dark when you don't know where he went and he always tells someone initiates the same level of panic.
Did someone grab him?
That is the main panic. In the SM interview she had a irritated reaction about him, like he is a little late.
Even if she is hell on wheels strict, love shows up when when there is danger.
In my experience with humans, she should have been emotional and remorseful that she let him go out without knowing where he went.
She was in charge of him and now he is gone.
No matter what happened, she is fundamentally responsible for it.
 
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  • #148
Yikes, I ran away once and took my pillow, favorite things, and food. Only a kid who has runaway would know what to pack. I’d expect favorite things then to be found. That’s the only way it’s make sense. Imo
I agree!! Something for comfort, something to eat, favorite possessions and definitely a phone if they have one. Maybe a key to get back in, just in case they change their mind?
 
  • #149
Here reading and hoping as well that the investigation is moving forward, which it seems it is. Praying that this is the calm before the storm.

This case is unusual in that Gannon is a bit older than the usual kids that are "disappeared" by a parent or step-parent. Him being 11 - he was bordering on pre-teen, not a toddler, not that easy to handle maybe (I don't have a good sense of T's physical attributes). My own personal theory of what may have happened is that perhaps Gannon was starting to stand up for himself, tired of the mistreatment. Perhaps he talked back, perhaps he threatened to tell his father, or tell his mother. He perhaps defied her authority and threatened her ego. This could not be, could not continue. Perhaps there was some other threat to her - where things going badly in the marriage?

I tend not to think she physically hurt him prior to this but I suppose it's possible. I also don't really think that she abused him and he succumbed to injuries requiring her to panic and act. Her type is usually calculating and pre-meditated. It might also be possible that she gave him something the night before to make him sick, then again on Monday in the guise of "medicine" to make him compliant and pliable, docile or sleepy. Perhaps she told him they were going to the doctor. She took him...wherever she took him. Somewhere relatively far away, very secluded. Ordered him out of the truck, or dragged him out if he was sedated. And did what she did and left him there. I am undecided as to what method she might have used to accomplish any deeds - soft or hard? Weapon? It's unfathomable to think about, really. Which is why I understand why people are clinging to hope and wishing for any alternative other than this.
 
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A middle-school aged boy with autism in our neighborhood went missing 4 or 5 years ago. It was in the winter, after dark, and my husband and I went out and walked all over the neighborhood, in the parks, along the roads, you name it. And we weren't alone, there were numerous other people doing the same. Luckily, that boy was found at his school a few miles away. But there was definitely a sense of panic from the parents, the neighbors, etc. until he was found. TS's apparent lack of concern about Gannon just seems so out of the norm!
 
  • #152
Thank you to everyone who replied to my questioning why SM may have treated GS differently. What may have triggered her (IMO) over the top anger towards him for an “offense” . The one that stuck out the most is her jealousy of GS admiration of his mother. I know someone very much like that. She gives “everything” to her step kids and can not tolerate the thought of them loving their “piece of crap, drug addicted” mother who is no longer the person she was once, but this SM will not let anyone who likes their mom (including mom’s family) have anything to do with the girls. She is insanely jealous.
 
  • #153
She ain’t normal by her reaction to him missing on her watch. IMO
 
  • #154
Yikes, I ran away once and took my pillow, favorite things, and food. Only a kid who has runaway would know what to pack. I’d expect favorite things then to be found. That’s the only way it’s make sense. Imo

Agree. MOO Running away at 11 is very emotional for a kid.
They are saying whatever is happening is intolerable, they prefer no home to the one they have.They don't want to leave, they feel afraid, hurt, shame, angry or that it is all unjust. Then pack sentimental and practical things.
 
  • #155
I do field diagnostics for research projects and this is generally true and very right on.

However, I've been taken in twice by someone who is clearly on the Antisocial/Narcissist boundary. In one of the cases, I was not exactly taken in, but I did not think the person was clinically diagnosable. I noticed the lying on practically the first day I met her (she was and is no longer a high ranking college administrator). There are quite a few N/ASP people in administration, I've come to see. Very few among the teaching ranks, as various processes weed them out.

So, IOW, in my own personal life, I still get taken in.

They can be very charming, but one clue is that you might notice them talking cr#p about the very people they are charming to (or scheming outright to harm or defraud them). The ordinary, every day Narcissist/APD person has no trouble lying to their relationship partner, and is particularly prone to various types of affairs. If they require a constant audience of admirers, it's quite difficult for them if they can't get access to their group (whom they also use to manipulate, to provide alibis for their other actions, etc). Both of the people I'm speaking about have performed criminal actions, both have been given mere slaps on the wrist (asked to resign, details undisclosed to press, etc).
1000% ALL of it.
 
  • #156
I'm sorry if this has been discussed, I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to keep up, but is there video footage of her from the store/shopping trip? Thanks
Nothing has been released to the public.
 
  • #157
As to the "chosen victim" model of family life, it's fairly common. There's a well known pattern involving narcissistic parents, wherein one child is the "Golden Child" and like, the Narcissist, can do no wrong. Another child is chosen as the "Scapegoat." This dynamic happens in families that don't contain a narcissist, but it's very common - diagnostic, really - in narcissism.

There are some clues in this case. I'm not going to quote SM but I will note that the picture trail in this case has bothered me. I'll describe a different case (that is very similar) so that I'm not breaking rules.

In the case of a woman with Narcissistic/Histrionic diagnosis (both a field diagnosis and a clinical diagnosis from a psychiatrist), she had a FB in which you could barely tell that one of her children (the boy) existed. The daughter's birthday parties and other events were displayed on FB almost daily. Tons of selfies with the daughter. Even in travel pictures, one had to wonder where the boy was. The pictures were taken by both parents, but rarely contained any with the boy in them. Boy's birthday pictures were never posted. Since I got to interview this woman, I asked to look at family videos. Huge, extravagant birthday parties for Daughter, some years, no birthday party at all for Son, and when it occurred, no videos, we had to hunt for a couple of photos. While we were doing this, the woman showed no awareness of the issue. She just didn't see it.

The Son did get taken to the doctor and she sought psychiatric treatment for him when he was only 6. She seemed to think there was something wrong with him, although she couldn't articulate it. The father was frequently gone (military) and eventually left altogether, but before that occurred he revealed that the Son was diagnosed with depression at age 6.

The Daughter was rarely punished, the Son was punished frequently, often with psychological pain rather than physical pain.

This case has been published in academic literature, pretty much as I just outlined, so I'm not breaking any professional rules. There were some details about the case (non-criminal) that caused the treating psychiatrist to wish to publish some of his findings. There was, for example, a pretend abduction (of the Mom).

Anyway, there are things about this case that make me think of that case.

Oddly enough, this post sounds like it is describing in detail someone I know personally. When she first had her children I thought they would end up in a Munchausen Syndrome situation or worse. This is exactly to a the finest detail how she acts with her son and daughter.
 
  • #158
The book, The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker expounds on this.

Excellent book! I've read it twice and it was really an eye-opener. A must-read for anyone but especially if you have children.
 
  • #159
To me, the "trigger" to set LS off into a rage would be anytime GS mentioned his bio mom. LS probably did put a lot into caring for her step kids... But to most children, there is never anyone better than their bio parents, no matter how hard the step parent tries. So, whenever he talked lovingly about his bio mom, or possibly stated "you're not my mom" it upset her. And throw in jealousy too ... No better way to hurt someone than to hurt their child.

I personally have a son, who has hasn't seen or talked to his bio dad in over a year....My child glows with love when he mentions his bio dad. His bio dad is worthless, but my child thinks he is a super hero....I would never break his heart and tell him otherwise. My husband is an amazing step dad, but no matter how many bedtime stories he reads, how many times he pitches a baseball....he will never be the "super hero" his bio dad is.

Sounds like your hubby is amazing. :)
 
  • #160
To me, the "trigger" to set LS off into a rage would be anytime GS mentioned his bio mom. LS probably did put a lot into caring for her step kids... But to most children, there is never anyone better than their bio parents, no matter how hard the step parent tries. So, whenever he talked lovingly about his bio mom, or possibly stated "you're not my mom" it upset her. And throw in jealousy too ... No better way to hurt someone than to hurt their child.

I personally have a son, who has hasn't seen or talked to his bio dad in over a year....My child glows with love when he mentions his bio dad. His bio dad is worthless, but my child thinks he is a super hero....I would never break his heart and tell him otherwise. My husband is an amazing step dad, but no matter how many bedtime stories he reads, how many times he pitches a baseball....he will never be the "super hero" his bio dad is.
Not now. Down the road, when he has his own family.
 
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