Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #21

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  • #701
So did she just ignore her 8 yr old, and go into the basement and put headphones on, when the young child was walking home alone ?

Wouldn't a responsible Mom go meet the little girl herself? Or at least stand out front and keep an eye out for her, as opposed to putting on headphones and going in to the basement...
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I'm no fan of TS, of course, but this particular behaviour does not raise any flags to me.

ETA: RSBM
 
  • #702
I believe forgetting to remove her Apple watch was an oversight. It is possible that someone else wore the watch, but highly unlikely. How does one approach another to do such a thing? "Hey, would you wear my Apple watch and take a drive along those back roads for a while, then return the watch to me ... please?" Nah, I don't think so.
I was thinking the other way, like asking a family member to wear it for the day (maybe you pretend you’re testing something) and it tracks their routine location at work or whatever. And then you say you were wearing it and therefore couldn’t have been at Location B. But it sounds like the watch would detect if there were abnormalities in the owner’s heartbeat vs. another wearer, so may be irrelevant!
 
  • #703
Well that blew my the theory someone else could have taken watch and drove around with it.

There's no reason they couldn't have, though. The watch will record location data even if someone else or no one is wearing it. The other data it records would likely indicate if it was worn by someone else, but that wouldn't shut the device down. It would mostly just alert LE reviewing the data later.
 
  • #704
I'm no fan of TS, of course, but this particular behaviour does not raise any flags to me.

ETA: RSBM
Typically it's never any one thing but the sum of it all
 
  • #705
I may be wrong then. I am just remembering at least one of my nephews who seemed pretty oblivious to my existence when he was that age. (He grew into a charming, socially adept adult, thankfully.)

I don't think you are wrong. Sure there are children who are well-mannered and empathetic from a young age as has been modeled for them. It's also pretty normal for perfectly lovely, well-raised children to be fairly oblivious to the moods of adults, such as your nephew was, because they trust the adults around them to have a handle on stuff, especially their own emotions.

That said, abused children become excellent readers of the moods of adults around them. As Dr. Bruce Perry says in his book about abused and neglected children:
"Since humans have always been the deadliest animal encountered by other humans, we closely monitor nonverbal signals of human menace, such as tone of voice, facial expression, and body language." This becomes extreme in children who've been repeatedly traumatized by a caregiver. It's brain evolution--for an abused child to be able to suss out when an abusive adult is about to become violent is a survival strategy. These kids often become "people pleasers" who know how to assess and soothe adults as a matter of safety.

Perry, Bruce D.. The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog (p. 48). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.
 
  • #706
It depends on the Series of watch. If you have Series 0 or Series 1, no. Unfortunately, it does not have an onboard GPS.

However, if you have Series 2 or later, it has an onboard GPS that works via satellite without a cellular connection (for similar technology, think TomTom and Garmin). Series 3 or later also includes an onboard altimeter, which measures elevation. If I were reviewing the data on a non-cellular Apple Watch Series 3 or later, not only could I look at that data and tell that you were in a certain apartment building, I could also tell you were on the 3rd floor due to your elevation. It can also read when you're going up stairs, etc. It basically provides a 3D map of your whereabouts.

If you don't have data connected to the watch, even if you never connect it to WiFi again, the onboard satellite is tracking your movements and uploading that information in near-real time (about 20 second delay) to the cloud.
Wowzers!!!
 
  • #707
A question I have is, Wouldn’t the younger sister be on the same bus daily as Gannon given their age? She came home at 3:15 but didn’t see Gannon. What friend would be home before the bus?
Great catch!
 
  • #708
Technology is crazy these days. Sure heart rate alone isnt indicative. But this is where AI (artificial intelligence) kicks in and begins to learn you. How many steps till and increased heart rate? Were you sitting still while blood pressure increased indictated eating? Is it the time you normally have all the same stats, hence dinner time? Were you at a new location? Higher elevation? I could go on, but basically these devices "learn you" - it's not just storing numbers. I have no doubt it could tell not only a different person wearing it, but also based off tons of past study data, determine your age/sex/race pretty quickly.

This is basically the case. It’s taking all your health data and making a pattern. Think off all the things you do that you don’t think about that are small physical movements.

How do you clean your teeth? Do you hold your breath when you brush? What kind of brusher are you-do you wiggle the brush, brush straight up and down, go circles all the way, some combination? Do you brush your tongue or tear a tongue scraper? How often? Do you floss? How often? What’s your flossing method-do you start in the lower right, left, upper right, left? Do you use floss that you need to wind on your finger or those take and toss ones? Where do you throw away your floss? Do you gargle? Spit? Do you rinse? Wash your face before or after? Wipe your face on a cloth?

Now think about your loved ones. They probably don’t have the exact same rhythm. My kid won’t floss unless I ask him if he did. He also uses too much toothpaste and will do two rounds of brushing so he can use more toothpaste. I’m a foamy brusher and like lots of toothpaste, too. My husband uses a single pearl of toothpaste. He also can finish brushing without wiping his face. I have toothpaste on my chin, so I wash my face right after brushing. I also clean the sink after I’m finished, every time. I floss twice a day. My husband flosses at night only. He uses mouthwash at night and hates it, so he holds his breath and winces.

Just that activity alone shows how different we all are. All of that info? Stored on your Apple Watch. It knows that you physically move this way, your heart rate speeds up when you use mouthwash, you hold your breath when you brush, you gargle for ______ seconds, because your body keeps the score. It also knows when you’re doing something out of the ordinary. When something scared you. When you were interrupted. Those things cause biological responses, and the Apple Watch records all that.

If you were to have your child put on an Apple Watch and brush their teeth, it wouldn’t create the same biological signature. Their heart rate isn’t the same. They don’t breathe the same way or hold their breath at the same time. They don’t have the same movements, their rhythm is different.

I love data like this because you can’t fool it. You can’t lie and have it explained away. No one will believe you, and Apple has plenty of R&D from people that are far smarter than I’ll ever know. It isn’t perfect, but you can’t trick it. The series 5 watches can give you a real time egc. It isn’t going to believe someone else is you while they’re wearing your watch.
 
  • #709
From what I understand it's a common misconception among users and I really think it may be what eventually sinks her. The watch doesn't need to be connected to a phone or anything else to record geolocation info.

This^ I have a series 4 and just discovered that even in airplane mode the GPS is not disabled. Seems like since series 2, users cannot disable GPS on Apple Watches.
 
  • #710
That's certainly possible. I tend to doubt it unfolded that way since one news organization said they were asked by LE not to run the video from Monday (and didn't) And the statement LE made publicly indicated they preferred it not be released. But I can't know for sure what happened.

I seriously doubt though LE is orchestrating the release of other clear security camera videos of the Stauch family on FB nor suggesting RD provide other info on FB. If LE wanted to "bait" TS with RD, I'd think it would be done by way of a legit news organization not FB. But maybe that's just me.

While defense attorneys hate "talkative" defendants, they probably love talkative prosecution witnesses! Plus, releasing videos of the Stauch children playing now might add weight to a later change of venue request. I just don't see the value in what RD's doing now although I'm sure he is upset.
JMO
A change in venue will not make a difference for TS. I am far away from CO, and I am outraged! Her arrogance and lies will turn off most human beings. In addition to the gaslighting, a liar is insulting the intelligence of the listener.
 
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  • #711
This thread is moving so fast. I can't keep up. I'm just trying to skim through. Whew.
 
  • #712
I don't think you are wrong. Sure there are children who are well-mannered and empathetic from a young age as has been modeled for them. It's also pretty normal for perfectly lovely, well-raised children to be fairly oblivious to the moods of adults, such as your nephew was, because they trust the adults around them to have a handle on stuff, especially their own emotions.

That said, abused children become excellent readers of the moods of adults around them. As Dr. Bruce Perry says in his book about abused and neglected children:
"Since humans have always been the deadliest animal encountered by other humans, we closely monitor nonverbal signals of human menace, such as tone of voice, facial expression, and body language." This becomes extreme in children who've been repeatedly traumatized by a caregiver. It's brain evolution--for an abused child to be able to suss out when an abusive adult is about to become violent is a survival strategy. These kids often become "people pleasers" who know how to assess and soothe adults as a matter of safety.

Perry, Bruce D.. The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog (p. 48). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.
Excellent post!!!
 
  • #713
I don't think you are wrong. Sure there are children who are well-mannered and empathetic from a young age as has been modeled for them. It's also pretty normal for perfectly lovely, well-raised children to be fairly oblivious to the moods of adults, such as your nephew was, because they trust the adults around them to have a handle on stuff, especially their own emotions.

That said, abused children become excellent readers of the moods of adults around them. As Dr. Bruce Perry says in his book about abused and neglected children:
"Since humans have always been the deadliest animal encountered by other humans, we closely monitor nonverbal signals of human menace, such as tone of voice, facial expression, and body language." This becomes extreme in children who've been repeatedly traumatized by a caregiver. It's brain evolution--for an abused child to be able to suss out when an abusive adult is about to become violent is a survival strategy. These kids often become "people pleasers" who know how to assess and soothe adults as a matter of safety.

Perry, Bruce D.. The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog (p. 48). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.

Great quote.
 
  • #714
I don't think you are wrong. Sure there are children who are well-mannered and empathetic from a young age as has been modeled for them. It's also pretty normal for perfectly lovely, well-raised children to be fairly oblivious to the moods of adults, such as your nephew was, because they trust the adults around them to have a handle on stuff, especially their own emotions.

That said, abused children become excellent readers of the moods of adults around them. As Dr. Bruce Perry says in his book about abused and neglected children:
"Since humans have always been the deadliest animal encountered by other humans, we closely monitor nonverbal signals of human menace, such as tone of voice, facial expression, and body language." This becomes extreme in children who've been repeatedly traumatized by a caregiver. It's brain evolution--for an abused child to be able to suss out when an abusive adult is about to become violent is a survival strategy. These kids often become "people pleasers" who know how to assess and soothe adults as a matter of safety.

Perry, Bruce D.. The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog (p. 48). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.
Love Dr. Bruce Perry, if you want to study dynamic of child abuse, valuable source
 
  • #715
Loaded question, LOL. The Sun is considered MSM, similarly to The DailyMail

THANK YOU!!

(I'm screengrabbing this exchange btw :D)

I imagine he holds the same suspicions and frustrations that many of us do. He probably shouldn't be blabbing about the case on social media, but I feel for him. It'd be very hard to just sit on stuff like that while this poor child is still missing under suspicious circumstances AND someone connected to the case is trying to publicly smear him.

I thought I posted this, but maybe I didn't... didn't the Crime Online article said they reached out to RD for clarification? Maybe he has also, additionally, told Friend of WS Leigh Egan, the same thing he let leak on his own FB; and we just don't know about it yet.

I wondered that too. I suppose you could even put it on a dog somehow. But I am not sure if she was that thoughtful and calculated about this or if she was kinda reacting in the moment and making choices on the fly. What do you all think?

That's a good question.

I've posted before, saying that I know folks have used inanimate objects to up their step count on Fitbit (purposefully hooked it to a ceiling fan; accidentally tossed it into a dryer); but that seems only useful for increasing number of steps counted, and not heart rate or locale. I don't know if an Apple Watch is different.

Though, now that I type that out, I note if maybe TS always meant for the watch to signify ... something else, tied to her original contention that she was in the basement "exercising" when Gannon last left the house.

Maybe it was always going to be a part of her alibi(es). :mad:

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  • #716
A change in venue will not make a difference. I am far away from CO, and I am outraged! Her arrogance and lies will turn off most human beings. In addition to the gaslighting, a liar is insulting the intelligence of the listener.

BBM

A change in venue can be a hardship for prosecutors according to attorneys I know.
JMO
 
  • #717
That is so amazing what the apple watch registers. Now that I know this I doubt I will invest in one. I don't like something knowing more about me than I do :p
 
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Roll call...
Who’s here for Gannon?!!

May today be the day.
Im here!!!
Gots lots of catching up to do. 30 some pages behind. But In on it!
 
  • #720
Mark Redwine's trial for murdering his son Dylan is next month (starting on April 2) in La Plata County, Colorado. He did not get a change of venue and the population of La Plata County is small, only about 56,000. His case received National (maybe International) attention because it was featured on Dr. Phil a few times. When there is a trial for Gannon, I do not anticipate the defense would be able to have it moved. MOO
 
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