Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #21

[Fireflize]

DBM

 

[Knox]

I also am very specific when I am naming an “electronic”
iPhone, switch, iPad.

That would be most natural, unless maybe you didn't know what the electronic device was.

 

[Coloradokid]

Everyone entitled to their opinion.

There’s 200k members of the Flat Earth Society FB group.

 

[DD8]

This thread is going so fast. I can't get caught up and believe me I'm really trying! By the time I press post, I get a notification of like 60 new posts

I also am very specific when I am naming an “electronic”
iPhone, switch, iPad.

Right? Or even "game thing" but not electronic device

 

[Knox]

DBM-Duplicate

 

[NCWatcher]

We all have different life experiences but if I found evidence apparently related to a neighbor's well-publicized missing and endangered child nearly a week after the child had gone missing, I definitely would call LE.

I might show the evidence to a family member of the child first....Maybe. Not at all sure about that. But if I did show it to a family member-- one I was sure was innocent in the disappearance--I wouldn't be more or less likely to call LE because of his/her reaction. But that's just me.

I don't always trust some individual members of LE but once a child has been missing for many days, I wouldn't trust a family member to resolve the situation either, especially if the evidence appeared to implicate another family member no longer in the home. (I know some posts have said AS kicked out TS once he saw the video. But if RD really found the video on Saturday as he has said, that can't be true.)

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I have my phone set up so that it alerts me to any accidents on I-25 Gap that would cause delays (also when they close lanes for various reasons). I checked and, nope, nothing showing on the 27th.
Okay, but there could still be something in town. And also, not everything shows on the alerts, so maybe. I have looked a few places and so far I can't find anything showing an accident that would have diverted her onto backroads. I am still looking though. Just to make 100000 percent sure.
I see nothing on the police blotters. I don't see anything on a quick search of the page that the locals use to check traffic here in town, as well as to and from other cities like Denver. I saw an accident the day after on the 28th on I25. So far, nothing on the 27th. Again, I'm continuing to look, as I know this must be absolutely shocking to everyone here. Obviously, she would not be telling a falsehood. NEVER!
My computer is acting up and being slow, so still searching.....(and need to go make some chicken and dumplings for the sweet family. But will keep on peeking...)
IMO
JMO
MOO

Excellent info. Thanks.

jmo

 

[helpfulcharlie]

On a side note, I've been reading this paper: "Children Killed by Genetic Parents Versus Stepparents." Too much info to summarize here, but some of you may find it interesting (PDF). http://people.uncw.edu/bruce/hon 210/pdfs/infanticide.pdf

There’s 200k members of the Flat Earth Society FB group.

I will posit that half of them are just there for the lulz.

 

[kittythehare]

Get what from? I'm asking a question in response to a poster who said TS did not name the electronic device Gannon dropped, e.g., tablet, phone, switch.

That is how I understood your post too.
She didn't say 'gameboy' or name the toy.. I wonder why???
Is it possible it was a toy that had a tracker or his mobile phone?

 

[missingm]

Get what from? I'm asking a question in response to a poster who said TS did not name the electronic device Gannon dropped, e.g., tablet, phone, switch.

And if you followed who that poster was you would understand that they are only pointing out the the term "electronic device" was not a direct quote of LS. There is no subterfuge, at least in the exchange you replied to.

 

[10ofRods]

I also am very specific when I am naming an “electronic”
iPhone, switch, iPad.

Yep, people usually are. But those who write stories may decide to use more generic terms. If anyone finds any kind of "electronic" by the side of a road near Colorado Springs, I hope they do call it in.

If people are craving a Switch, they might get way more interested in finding it (but not for the right reasons).

 

[Murphy1950]

Two different things. One is a filter (much loved by 4-5 year olds, their older siblings, their parents and their grandparents). The other is a pose intended to make the lips look puffier, because that's supposedly the current thing to do (thin-lipped people either embrace the pose or they don't - but if they do embrace it, they often over-do it). .

RSBM
Excellent response, very informative, thank you.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I think poster says she won’t say what type of electronic device in case it can somehow tie her to the crime in some way. Like if they find a smashed switch or something disposed of on the side of the road. So TS avoids actually naming the actual type of device that has been or will eventually be found.

I think the le know what he has by what’s missing if any are . I think by saying electronics is just general so she doesn’t have to remember the lie of which one moo

 

[jvikes]

Your cell phone can record your location, altitude, motion and speed over time (history).

Sure, but my point is its raw data on a cell phone. It's not learning my behavior, which was the start of this convo about how an Apple watch knows someone else is wearing it. Someone in tech forensics would need to crunch a lot of numbers manually to deduce what's going on from raw data on a cell phone, whereas these fitbits and smart watches go ahead and do it for you, and proudly save the data for you too. And they are attached to you, learning your moves. The movie "Her" comes to mind.

 

[Inthedetails]

That would be most natural, unless maybe you didn't know what the electronic device was.

Or didn't care.

It could be she didn't care what he had in his hand, just as long as he was distracted by it. idk.

jmo

 

[10ofRods]

We all have different life experiences but if I found evidence apparently related to a neighbor's well-publicized missing and endangered child nearly a week after the child had gone missing, I definitely would call LE.

I might show the evidence to a family member of the child first....Maybe. Not at all sure about that. But if I did show it to a family member-- one I was sure was innocent in the disappearance--I wouldn't be more or less likely to call LE because of his/her reaction. But that's just me.

I don't always trust some individual members of LE but once a child has been missing for many days, I wouldn't trust a family member to resolve the situation either, especially if the evidence appeared to implicate another family member no longer in the home. (I know some posts have said AS kicked out TS once he saw the video. But if RD really found the video on Saturday as he has said, that can't be true.)

JMO

Yes, your experiences are different from mine. I would show it first to my own SO and probably to a colleague. I have a friend who is retired LE, I might involve him. But if I knew the family, was friends with them and I thought one parent was innocent, I would never go to LE first, I'd go to them.

I would follow the advice of my retired friend about who to turn it into (not sure I'd call local police - but you probably don't live where I live, you might agree if you did). Let me put it another way: I would never just call 911 or the tipline or the dispatcher, I'd have to figure out who to call. This is due to personal experience.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think poster says she won’t say what type of electronic device in case it can somehow tie her to the crime in some way. Like if they find a smashed switch or something disposed of on the side of the road. So TS avoids actually naming the actual type of device that has been or will eventually be found.

I think if it was a phone she would have said so, so I assume it was something to play games on, like a DS or a switch. I do wonder if he had his phone, though. There may have been multiple ways for LE to track their movements if she really was wearing the Apple watch. Jmo

 

[Fireflize]

We all have different life experiences but if I found evidence apparently related to a neighbor's well-publicized missing and endangered child nearly a week after the child had gone missing, I definitely would call LE.

I might show the evidence to a family member of the child first....Maybe. Not at all sure about that. But if I did show it to a family member-- one I was sure was innocent in the disappearance--I wouldn't be more or less likely to call LE because of his/her reaction. But that's just me.

I don't always trust some individual members of LE but once a child has been missing for many days, I wouldn't trust a family member to resolve the situation either, especially if the evidence appeared to implicate another family member no longer in the home. (I know some posts have said AS kicked out TS once he saw the video. But if RD really found the video on Saturday as he has said, that can't be true.)

JMO

Thanks for pointing that out, I had pictured that the video was the catalyst for her removal, but you're right, she was already removed from the home.

 

[MsMarple]

She could give certain things to them voluntarily, but they’ve certainly utilized search warrants for all sorts of things here (home, vehicles, devices; things like that).

To get a search warrant, you need probable cause that a crime was committed. It appears they’ve had that since the early days, and this is in fact a criminal investigation.

They don’t have to publicly name a suspect, to have a suspect. It’s pretty clear they do.

Yeah, I bet LE is doing everything by the book. I know in recent times there have been issues with warrantless searches. There was a case in Texas where the judge threw out a cell phone search because of no warrant. I know it depends on the state and the circumstances but I can't see LE playing with fire. A missing child is pretty strong probable cause IMO.

And if LE doesn't have LS on their short list of suspects I'll eat my fiddle (as I don't wear hats), lol.

 

[RaspberryMama]

Was "electronics" a quote from LS? Are we sure that's what she said, and not a rewording by the reporter (who possibly didn't want to give specific information out)?