Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #23

[Hach]

Finally I was able to upload a photo for my avatar ( my drawing of my 11 year old son )
How is the search going?
Does anyone know the exact location of the search?
It's tricky staying in the loop from England, most of the news posts here are blocked due to EU laws . . . . . Soon that will change when we leave Brexit is coming.

 

[Kyte]

This is true. However, perhaps after her "interrogation" she got scared and tried to do a runner? So whether she drove "there and back" or drove ALL the way and then flew back, I'm pretty sure she'd have some kind of "reasonable" explanation for this....

Explaining a flight that early on in the investigation...well, perhaps she didn't think there would be so much attention drawn to a "runaway".

Then again, perhaps the 955 miles is an inaccuracy. All just speculation and tossing out ideas. Some weird enough to fit the ludicrous pre-splanations that we keep getting tossed ourselves

TS drove her own car to pick up the rental so we can toss out any speculation of a flight in my opinion and a seperate drop off point than where she picked the rental up from as she needed to collect her own car back up.
This is getting ridiculous and there is going to be a part 3 according to leigh from crimeline!!
I'm dreading it!!

 

[kkdj]

LS arrived Tuesday 28th.
It's unclear when TS left,if she did or whether she is still away.

So, the same day the car was rented.
I suspect this was the day TS left the home also.
The rental and leaving the home may have been planned by TS.

 

[FlamingJane]

Apologize I lost the post I wanted to respond to regarding 900 miles in that period of time. When I met my husband 30 years ago he would drive back to his hometown straight through. It was ~1200 miles and took him ~18 hours, and again on his return back to our home after his family visit. He did this many times back then. If someone was determined 900 miles could be done.

That said I left Colorado 6 years ago, I still see a doctor down there twice a year, the traffic blows my mind compared to what I knew before moving away. Even if you do factor that in, 900 miles is still possible from what I've seen. IMO.

Agreed.

I think we all recognize the 955 *could* be a mistake or estimate and the rental car *could* be a red herring, but I think it is too important of a detail to cast aside until we know.

When I was in college, my boyfriend and I drove 500 miles to see his brother (who he hadn’t seen in a while), had lunch with him and hung out for a bit, and then turned around and drove 500 back same day.

And remember that astronaut who drove hundreds of miles—she even bought adult diapers so she didn’t have to stop to use the bathroom!—to confront a woman in a love triangle with her lover? Some people have pathological tendencies.

From LS’ behavior, I absolutely believe she was pathologically determined that “I am NOT going down over this kid.” The prospect of prison for the rest of their lives is all someone needs to suck it up and drive 955 miles.

But even if she didn’t, and LS just drove one full tank 300-400 miles down to empty, it would be wise to recognize the radius could be bigger than the current searches account for.

Absolutely cadaver dogs were probably used on the involved vehicles. I hope they used them with the rental vehicle too. And I hope they know exactly where she drove thanks to various onboard tracking systems that might be in play.

But we don’t know if there were any cadaver dogs hits or not, and we don’t know if LE can use tracking data to rule out the scenario where LS drives a significant distance to dispose of G.

It’s also possible the dogs may have hit on something in more than one vehicle and they don’t know conclusively which vehicle dumped him so they have to check multiple locations. And it’s possible they haven’t arrested her because they know where she is (and would prevent her from fleeing), but think she is just a loose enough cannon that she might reveal important details on her own to help them develop a more airtight case if they don’t lock her up.

 

[proctorelites]

I bet we will learn every step of the 955 miles in Part 3. This is absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Momof4RN]

I don't think Munchausen plays a role in this case. Gannon's mother reported that he had stomach issues and it was possibly a side effect of his medication.

I think if anything his stomach problems irritated and inconvenienced TS. The symptoms she described are very common in children that age who have anxiety. I wouldn't be surprised if Gannon suffered severe stress when the kids were left alone with her and his Dad wasn't around.

I still believe TS was mentally abusive towards Gannon and it may have escalated to physical abuse.

I realize that there is not any evidence of past abuse (which has been pointed out) but mental abuse can be subtle, and the children may not have even recognized it, or were afraid to tell their parents for fear of what TS might do.

I think her behavior stems from jealousy and resentment and she took it out on Gannon.

Imo

Munchausen syndrome by proxy: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
I urge u to read up on it. Two of the main symptoms in a child suffering from this type of abuse is ADHD and stomach issues. Yes LH states G had stomach issues but who was she receiving that info from and who was perhaps causing those issues and who perhaps fabricated symptoms for G to be put on medications in the first place?
But ok we’ll go with he had ADHD and IBS. Why then on a Monday morning was she not calling G’s pediatrician for help. She instead called an urgent care line. That is not typical of a parent with a child with a chronic illness. They would reach out to the Dr who knows them best. Unless that Dr has already formed suspicions. Then they do what most Munchausen parents do and they reach out to multiple care givers. Moo she’s is classic Munchausen.

 

[FlamingJane]

BBM
Actually, she just may have! She could drive to some places in Utah and back in that rental car in under 900 miles.
EDIT TO ADD: approximately 413 miles to Ogden, Utah from Colorado Springs!

And keep in mind, if the timeline plays out like many of us think it may have, she had all night to think of the most obscure location she could.

 

[broadviewren]

The CrimeOnline journalist said that LS stated she drove her “own car & left it at the airport until she returned the rental car”.

This got me thinking.

I tend to think that the 955 miles was an error.

Maybe it wasn't so much about the rental car, but about keeping her own car away for the day. Perhaps there was something in it that she didn't want found or scrutinized? I know there's no evidence, that we know of, that she drove it the day G disappeared, but maybe it figures in somehow.

 

[FlamingJane]

This is true. However, perhaps after her "interrogation" she got scared and tried to do a runner? So whether she drove "there and back" or drove ALL the way and then flew back, I'm pretty sure she'd have some kind of "reasonable" explanation for this....

Explaining a flight that early on in the investigation...well, perhaps she didn't think there would be so much attention drawn to a "runaway".

Then again, perhaps the 955 miles is an inaccuracy. All just speculation and tossing out ideas. Some weird enough to fit the ludicrous pre-splanations that we keep getting tossed ourselves

In the beginning, I don’t think they would have interrogated her very long because they still believed he was a runaway.

 

[FlamingJane]

The problem I have with TS, herself, putting the 900 plus miles on the rental is that she was never gone that long and someone/LE would know if she was. More importantly, she has not fabricated a story line to pre-explain that.

He was considered a runaway at that point so LE may not have been watching her yet.

 

[stattlich1]

I bet we will learn every step of the 955 miles in Part 3. This is absolutely unbelievable.

Indeed, it is sickening. It is akin to a reality show. The only way crimeonline saves face with me is if they are working with LE in this case.

If they are doing all this for $$$ and ratings, it would be the ultimate in greedy depravity.

Gannon seems to be lost in the entire mess, 'tis a shame.

 

[Abstar80]

Wait.....
What if he isn't far from home at all.
She is a control freak. She has controlled the narrative from day one. She believes she is controlling this and what better way then to have him close to home, and "control" LE by letting them think he was with her when she was out for four hours
She has said certain things are "cleared'
So, what if she dumped Gannon before she went and did the rest of the stuff in the four hours thinking she could use that as the alibi.

She has verbally leaked so much She mentioned the word "chase" multiple times. Maybe she is leaking about the chase she is sending LE and the public on.
I swear it's right in front of us and she has told us, but we haven't connected it yet.

 

[proctorelites]

Am I allowed to as where T is from? Where is T from? She is not from Colorado Springs right?

 

[Hach]

Munchausen syndrome by proxy: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
I urge u to read up on it. Two of the main symptoms in a child suffering from this type of abuse is ADHD and stomach issues. Yes LH states G had stomach issues but who was she receiving that info from and who was perhaps causing those issues and who perhaps fabricated symptoms for G to be put on medications in the first place?
But ok we’ll go with he had ADHD and IBS. Why then on a Monday morning was she not calling G’s pediatrician for help. She instead called an urgent care line. That is not typical of a parent with a child with a chronic illness. They would reach out to the Dr who knows them best. Unless that Dr has already formed suspicions. Then they do what most Munchausen parents do and they reach out to multiple care givers. Moo she’s is classic Munchausen.

I would also disagree this is a munchausen case.

Typically someone suffering from this, will go to numerous doctors seeking advice and dramatize symptoms their child is suffering from, usually the caregiver is the one who is in fact deliberately causing said child to be unwell, for attention but not always . . . . .
Nothing like the Gypsy Rose case at all, classic Munchausen or the lady who poisoned her son with salt.

I've read up on it and had a friend who was classic Munchausen, it did take me a long time to get the proof.
She kept saying her son was epileptic and allergic to everything, he had doctors visits 4 or 5 times a week. Poor boy was monitored, she set up a go fund me for equipment.
I found out from the child that mother was suffocating him to cause his seizures. I kept the child and called the N.S.P.C.C
Shocking!
This ex friend of mine portrayed herself as a very loving, considerate mother and was constantly on Facebook uploading sad pictures of her son in hospital . . . . Which doctors couldn't understand the cause of his condition.None of these traits/characteristics fit TS.

I could be wrong though, as I am not a professional in this field anyway.

 

[FlamingJane]

Indeed, it is sickening. It is akin to a reality show. The only way crimeonline saves face with me is if they are working with LE in this case.

If they are doing all this for $$$ and ratings, it would be the ultimate in greedy depravity.

Gannon seems to be lost in the entire mess, 'tis a shame.

I don’t see it that way at all. I think the main reason CrimeOnline and people here are interested in LS is because we believe decoding her actions is the ONLY way Gannon will be found. She may grate on us and her narratives may be exhausting, but it’s absolutely worth it to put up with her and sift for facts that may provide the only viable path to justice for Gannon. It’s been 30+ days. Gannon could be anywhere. Her words are key.

 

[kittythehare]

Wait.....
What if he isn't far from home at all.
She is a control freak. She has controlled the narrative from day one. She believes she is controlling this and what better way then to have him close to home, and "control" LE by letting them think he was with her when she was out for four hours
She has said certain things are "cleared'
So, what if she dumped Gannon before she went and did the rest of the stuff in the four hours thinking she could use that as the alibi.

She has verbally leaked so much She mentioned the word "chase" multiple times. Maybe she is leaking about the chase she is sending LE and the public on.
I swear it's right in front of us and she has told us, but we haven't connected it yet.

It's a game.
Until we know who she really is and who her connections are, she has some for sure, this is gonna play out like a macabre tennis game between her and her 'connections' and LE.
You're right, the child is lost, the game takes precedence.

 

[kittythehare]

I don’t see it that way at all. I think the main reason CrimeOnline and people here are interested in LS is because we believe decoding her actions is the ONLY way Gannon will be found. She may grate on us and her narratives may be exhausting, but it’s absolutely worth it to put up with her and sift for facts that may provide the only viable path to justice for Gannon. It’s been 30+ days. Gannon could be anywhere. Her words are key.

There won't be facts, there will only be lingo.
The sifting is the game. Don't bite.
I've seen this dance before in anti gov groups and collectives...

 

[NCWatcher]

Munchausen syndrome by proxy: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
I urge u to read up on it. Two of the main symptoms in a child suffering from this type of abuse is ADHD and stomach issues. Yes LH states G had stomach issues but who was she receiving that info from and who was perhaps causing those issues and who perhaps fabricated symptoms for G to be put on medications in the first place?
But ok we’ll go with he had ADHD and IBS. Why then on a Monday morning was she not calling G’s pediatrician for help. She instead called an urgent care line. That is not typical of a parent with a child with a chronic illness. They would reach out to the Dr who knows them best. Unless that Dr has already formed suspicions. Then they do what most Munchausen parents do and they reach out to multiple care givers. Moo she’s is classic Munchausen.

GS was also a preemie. Lifelong digestive issues and ADHD are more common in that group too.

I really don't think Munchausen's by proxy is likely. But we can't know that for sure. I just don't see any evidence TS was happy to have a kid who needed medical attention or got something out of it. Nor do we have any evidence GS's medical issues--whatever they may have been---started when he began living with his father. In fact listening to LH made me think they related to his early birth.
JMO

 

[FlamingJane]

There won't be facts, there will only be lingo.
The sifting is the game. Don't bite.
I've seen this dance before in anti gov groups and collectives...

I disagree. Her words will create red flags or contradictions that will lead to the discovery of facts. This is why LE often employs the tactic of getting a POI to talk for as long as they can. Because as they are adding details on the fly, they sometimes can’t keep all their lies straight and they say something that helps them know what to pursue next.

 

[Pink2017]

TS drove her own car to pick up the rental so we can toss out any speculation of a flight in my opinion and a seperate drop off point than where she picked the rental up from as she needed to collect her own car back up.
This is getting ridiculous and there is going to be a part 3 according to leigh from crimeline!!
I'm dreading it!!