Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #4

[HongKongPhooey]

Yeah. I think she lost her temper, and injured Gannon to a point that it would be obvious.

She then may have decided that in order to cover up that abuse, she had to make sure Gannon went away.

She may not have wanted the school, or her husband to find out. So yeah, premeditation.

This theory is making the most sense to me as well. A combination of rage and premeditated.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I believe LE would need a search warrant to do what you suggest. But I'm not wholly disagreeing with your point.

I would think they would need a search warrant IF the homeowner refused - but I can’t imagine this homeowner would have refused access given he was so willing to help a week later. But you are right, other than viewing in the home, I do not know the legal requirements for getting direct access to footage - I believe in the Watts case LE told the neighbor to contact Comcast to get a copy for them.

 

[gitana1]

I think #1 and #2 could be somewhat innocently explained by SM being a lazy parental figure with questionable judgment who didn't want to bother doing anything that wasn't the easiest thing with this kid. The Cousin It interview revealed a few things about her parenting in that household to me: she thought of Gannon as a burden at least some of the time ("I've been taking care of him for so long"), and she is the kind of mother who not only failed to prioritize keeping her own minor child far away from a police investigation, she tried to use her to establish her own innocence. So maybe if Gannon wasn't really all that sick, she wasn't going to bother to rally him for school or set a boundary later by saying he couldn't go to a friend's house (hypothetically, if he was even still there at that point).

However, I strongly agree with you about #3.

As I always say, evidence can’t be viewed in a vacuum. Lots of evidence when viewed independently from what’s beside it can be fairly meaningless. But it all has to be viewed as part of a whole picture.

So her letting him play (on the day he disappeared) after staying home sick, AND;

Letting him go off to a friend’s house without even getting a name, AND;

Lying about when he last left the house, AND;

Giving a ridiculous interview as she did, which was all about her, past-tense language, wouldn’t look at the camera when talking to Gannon, wouldn’t be on film at all, coaching her daughter, etc., AND;

Asking for a lawyer soon after her step son that she ostensibly loves, instead of putting up with anything LE throws at her with no worry about her own rights, as pretty much all concerned and innocent parents do, AND;

She’s the one who is seen last taking the child out of the house but returns without him.

You know what I mean? All together the picture becomes clearer and clearer for me even if some of the evidence only gets off a tiny bit of grime.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Surveillance footage could provide clues in search for missing El Paso County boy

This Channel is the one that refused to share it prior ...


“After discussing the video with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, FOX31 and Channel 2 have decided to share it.”

”I saw him come out of the house, get into the truck. Something's not right," Drayton said, adding that Stauch looked sluggish and as though he may have been "drugged."

Also says the family is planning to release a new statement.

Ugh, so now the question becomes do we trust an article that was posted an hour ago by Fox News or do we trust a statement released by the Sheriff's Department at 9 pm last night. I guess we have to trust Fox News although it sure would be nice if he Sheriff's Department would put out a new statement independently confirming this. Hopefully they will do this soon because it definitely causes confusion.

 

[bellyup]

DBM

 

[jillycat]

I cannot think of many high profile cases where at least some information is not leaked prior to trial, by eye witnesses, people close to the case, anonymous sources, etc. Being in the public domain does not in itself have any bearing on its ability to be successfully entered into evidence in court. It is immaterial IMO. As long as video can be independently verified (it can by the security company as to date/time/editing and verifiable as to what it captures (SM and Gannon) with common sense police work), there is no reason it would be kept out of a trial...and certainly not because the media released it.

Someone said it would not be kept from trial and I paraphrased the remark from the Q&A. LE didn’t want it released and their repeated emphasis is that leaked or discussed information isn’t good for their case. I’m not making claims that evidence is kept out of trial because it was released in media. I do think that her attorney, should she need one, will likely want any number of things kept out of the courtroom.

 

[firebird]

Ugh, so how the question becomes do we trust an article that was posted an hour ago by Fox News or do we trust a statement released by the Sheriff's Department at 9 pm last night. I guess we have to trust Fox News although it sure would be nice if he Sheriff's Department would put out a new statement independently confirming this. Hopefully they will do this soon because it definitely causes confusion.

All Fox News says different than anything else is what the neighbor says (about Gannon being sluggish or drugged). I'm sure the neighbor said that, and I'm just as sure that it may or may not be true.

 

[gitana1]

Absolutely they could have - but if so, why did LE tell this man it was a game changer? Why would he call the Dad to come see it first? If they had viewed it and wanted it kept under wraps I would imagine they would have informed the homeowner to please keep it to himself - not just let him think nothing was there. I don’t know - it is all speculation on my part. I just hope they were not needlessly searching the neighborhood early on versus finding where her truck went for that 4 hour period.

I would think they would need a search warrant IF the homeowner refused - but I can’t imagine this homeowner would have refused access given he was so willing to help a week later. But you are right, other than viewing in the home, I do not know the legal requirements for getting direct access to footage - I believe in the Watts case LE told the neighbor to contact Comcast to get a copy for them.

Hmm. Well, they watched 7 hours of footage at his house, according to him, so I’m thinking they had to have seen it and known what it meant? Because how could they miss it?

They wouldn’t say anything to him because unless he saw it when they did, he wouldn’t know. And it’s investigative material so they wouldn’t call out, “Uh, sir? I know you’re making a sandwich but there’s something you should see..”

Then later, they knew he had already told dad. So I can see them candidly telling him, “Listen, this footage is a crucial game changer to the investigation and we need it to be kept under wraps. We know you’ve shown the media and will ask them to not air it. Can we count on you not to disclose what’s on it?”

They could’ve said that already knowing before he found it, that it was there.

 

[catch_22]

Didn't this particular neighbor say that initially he viewed his footage on a tablet and saw nothing. But something was bugging him and SM's account didn't make sense. So he went back and reviewed the video footage on his television and found what he found. There is an news interview somewhere if someone can link it.

So how is it LE's fault if this guy said he had video, but nothing of interest? Then goes back and does an in depth review, and finds evidence that SM was lying in her account? IMO, I think initially he looking for footage of Gannon leaving the house on foot. Which we now know doesn't exist

So LE just relies on random people to review their footage? Do they deputize them first?

I assumed that LE was getting copies of the footage, and then reviewing it themselves. Especially from this neighbor that had a view of their driveway / front of the house.

I know they initially were looking for him on foot in the 3-4pm window, but at some point they had to start getting suspicious of SM.

I don't know. Maybe I'm blinded by my hindsight.

 

[bellyup]

All Fox News says different than anything ele is that's what the neighbor says (about Gannon being sluggish or drugged). I'm sure the neighbor said that, and I'm just as sure that it may or may not be true.

I go back to the video posted prior that says LE does NOT dispute the neighbors claims of what the video shows. I’m sure LE is aware the neighbor is claiming it looks like Gannon was drugged.

I also think that may be why BD was crying. Not just the timeline being off.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Do we know for sure that they just casually asked neighbors to review it for them? Because on 1-30-20 they stated they had reviewed tons of video footage.

The CSI search doesn’t seem to be triggered by the timing of Mr. Daybell discussing the video. Because it takes time to get a search warrant.

Maybe they already had reviewed it?

FOX21 News has learned investigators have made contact with several neighbors in the Lorson Ranch neighborhood, some of whom have offered access to their home surveillance video.
El Paso County Sheriff’s Office clarifies focus, as search for Gannon Stauch continues on day 8

 

[firebird]

I go back to the video posted prior that says LE does NOT dispute the neighbors claims of what the video shows. I’m sure LE is aware the neighbor is claiming it looks like Gannon was drugged.

I also think that may be why BD was crying. Not just the timeline being off.

Well, he looked fine'ish to me. Especially for a a kid home from school sick. Hopefully, we'll find out what happened in the next day or two if she can't explain the coming back without him.

 

[PrayingForMissing]

I don’t think they are searching tonight last I heard there was a snowstorm and a lot was closed ? Imo

I just took the puppies out. It's a nice balmy 0 degrees out. Brrrr. And supposed to get even colder in the night.

 

[kittythehare]

Ugh, so now the question becomes do we trust an article that was posted an hour ago by Fox News or do we trust a statement released by the Sheriff's Department at 9 pm last night. I guess we have to trust Fox News although it sure would be nice if he Sheriff's Department would put out a new statement independently confirming this. Hopefully they will do this soon because it definitely causes confusion.

like it or not Fox, ABC and CNN are media sources we are allowed to discuss here.
It's up to everybody what they want to believe or invest effort in.
I see no reason not to believe them in this instance. We have actually linked and discussed all the Sheriff dept updates and pressers in depth too.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

All Fox News says different than anything else is what the neighbor says (about Gannon being sluggish or drugged). I'm sure the neighbor said that, and I'm just as sure that it may or may not be true.

I watched that video so many times my eyes hurt. I watched the video from different sources on many different platforms. Gannon is hardly seen coming into the frame. He had on what looked like grey sweat pants with white stripes on the sides. From what I saw, he got into the truck on his own. When the door was opened something fell out the truck and the SM bent down to pick it up. I did not see her assisting him into the vehicle. I sure hope my eyes aren't playing tricks on me. I saw no signs of him looking sluggish or drugged, but that's just me!

 

[Best of What's Around]

Hmm. Well, they watched 7 hours of footage at his house, according to him, so I’m thinking they had to have seen it and known what it meant? Because how could they miss it?

They wouldn’t say anything to him because unless he saw it when they did, he wouldn’t know. And it’s investigative material so they wouldn’t call out, “Uh, sir? I know you’re making a sandwich but there’s something you should see..”

Then later, they knew he had already told dad. So I can see them candidly telling him, “Listen, this footage is a crucial game changer to the investigation and we need it to be kept under wraps. We know you’ve shown the media and will ask them to not air it. Can we count on you not to disclose what’s on it?”

They could’ve said that already knowing before he found it, that it was there.

Excellent points. I did not know he said they were viewing footage there for 7 hours beforehand. I also have not been following this closely since it happened - I was just under the impression that the public was told he likely ran away on foot at the time SM gave. Have search parties been making the same assumption? If it were my child, I would want the public telling me if they saw this woman out with this boy or in this car during that 4 hour period. I guess I am impatient and prefer more info out to the public than less but I am likely not seeing the bigger picture and certainly I do not have the experience to know the best path forward in a case like this. I think I had this reaction of frustration with LE because the first thing that popped in my mind was that maybe she drove him to a remote area and just left him - so that his demise, in her warped mind, would not be directly by her hands. Unlikely scenario but one I had for some odd reason.

It is an interesting discussion though - just how helpful can the public be so how much should they know and when? If LE knew early on he did not walk away from the house, should they have corrected that to the public at that time? What about searches being conducted with volunteers?

 

[catch_22]

I believe LE would need a search warrant to do what you suggest. But I'm not wholly disagreeing with your point.

You might be right about the warrant, but i think most people would gladly give it up to help find a missing child

 

[PrayingForMissing]

Yeah. I think she lost her temper, and injured Gannon to a point that it would be obvious.

She then may have decided that in order to cover up that abuse, she had to make sure Gannon went away.

She may not have wanted the school, or her husband to find out. So yeah, premeditation.

No matter which path I try to take my mind down, this is where it usually goes right back to. Unfortunately.

 

[kittythehare]

Excellent points. I did not know he said they were viewing footage there for 7 hours beforehand. I also have not been following this closely since it happened - I was just under the impression that the public was told he likely ran away on foot at the time SM gave. Have search parties been making the same assumption? If it were my child, I would want the public telling me if they saw this woman out with this boy or in this car during that 4 hour period. I guess I am impatient and prefer more info out to the public than less but I am likely not seeing the bigger picture and certainly I do not have the experience to know the best path forward in a case like this. I think I had this reaction of frustration with LE because the first thing that popped in my mind was that maybe she drove him to a remote area and just left him - so that his demise, in her warped mind, would not be directly by her hands. Unlikely scenario but one I had for some odd reason.

It is an interesting discussion though - just how helpful can the public be so how much should they know and when? If LE knew early on he did not walk away from the house, should they have corrected that to the public at that time? What about searches being conducted with volunteers?

Here is link to CNN interview regarding the viewing of the footage.
It shows guy's camera and all his screens. It does not mention the 4 hr window or the significant find. The mention of the 7 hrs is towards the very end.
I too am surprised they didn't just come and download it nad ring it back to base for analysis on specialist viewing equipment for CCTV harvests.
An 11-year-old boy went to play at a friend's house last week. No one has seen him since - CNN

 

[Best of What's Around]

Here is link to CNN interview regarding the viewing of the footage.
It shows guy's camera and all his screens. It does not mention the 4 hr window or the significant find. The mention of the 7 hrs is towards the very end.
I too am surprised they didn't just come and download it nad ring it back to base for analysis on specialist viewing equipment for CCTV harvests.
An 11-year-old boy went to play at a friend's house last week. No one has seen him since - CNN

Thank you so much! Okay, so he does not say they were there for 6-7 hours but that they went over that many hours of footage (could have been fast forwarding through it). I wonder if they missed it? The article dated yesterday concerns me because it seems like LE has been saying all this time he is a runaway on foot - or went missing on his way (also on foot) to his friends house. If they knew that was not likely to be the case, then I am confused. Why mislead the public who are helping search and send in tips? I am wondering if an officer dropped the ball when reviewing these tapes and missed it but that also does not seem plausible - surely they would have looked at the time before she said he left since that account was given by only one person and happened to be his caregiver - caregivers are always suspects at first. I am completely confused. I give up! I need some sleep