Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #4

[Knox]

If the video is accurate, SM lied plain and simple. I can only think of one reason to be untruthful to LE. We've been down this road countless times. We know the signs. The only hope I have is that shes a spiteful biotch, and has Gannon hidden out somewhere. That doesn't seem likely, but it's all I can think of. She took him somewhere ...

 

[kittythehare]

Thank you so much! Okay, so he does not say they were there for 6-7 hours but that they went over that many hours of footage (could have been fast forwarding through it). I wonder if they missed it? The article dated yesterday concerns me because it seems like LE has been saying all this time he is a runaway on foot - or went missing on his way (also on foot) to his friends house. If they knew that was not likely to be the case, then I am confused. Why mislead the public so are helping search and send it tips? I am wondering if an officer dropped the ball when reviewing these tapes and missed it but that also does not seem plausible - surely they would have looked at the time before she said he left since that account was given by only one person and happened to be his caregiver - caregivers are always suspects at first. I am completely confused. I give up! I need some sleep

He mentions the several hours early in the tape.. It is in the last sentence he refers to 7 hrs.
I think they must have missed it but I don't know how they could have.
This guy lived 2 doors down.
What we do not have is whatever information she gave them about any other outings she took that day, with or without passengers.
Another possible reason I think they may have dropped the ball is the release of the actual footage preceded by content disclosure by the neighbor, a humble man by all appearances.
It is possible Gannon's parents became upset by the apparent oversight, and wANTED the information shared in an effort to escalate search efforts in a more appropriate location- the 4hr journey location precisely.

 

[catch_22]

Hmm. Well, they watched 7 hours of footage at his house, according to him, so I’m thinking they had to have seen it and known what it meant? Because how could they miss it?

They wouldn’t say anything to him because unless he saw it when they did, he wouldn’t know. And it’s investigative material so they wouldn’t call out, “Uh, sir? I know you’re making a sandwich but there’s something you should see..”

Then later, they knew he had already told dad. So I can see them candidly telling him, “Listen, this footage is a crucial game changer to the investigation and we need it to be kept under wraps. We know you’ve shown the media and will ask them to not air it. Can we count on you not to disclose what’s on it?”

They could’ve said that already knowing before he found it, that it was there.

Interesting theory. That actually seems plausible. I've been sitting here wondering how they could NOT have seen this "game changing" footage.

The best I could come up with is that when they viewed this footage, they were looking for a missing child, and were believing SM's story that she had seen him at 3pm. The police didn't arrive monday night until 10pm. Maybe they only watched the footage from 3-10pm?

MOO

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Thank you so much! Okay, so he does not say they were there for 6-7 hours but that they went over that many hours of footage (could have been fast forwarding through it). I wonder if they missed it? The article dated yesterday concerns me because it seems like LE has been saying all this time he is a runaway on foot - or went missing on his way (also on foot) to his friends house. If they knew that was not likely to be the case, then I am confused. Why mislead the public so are helping search and send it tips? I am wondering if an officer dropped the ball when reviewing these tapes and missed it but that also does not seem plausible - surely they would have looked at the time before she said he left since that account was given by only one person and happened to be his caregiver - caregivers are always suspects at first. I am completely confused. I give up! I need some sleep

You and me both! As of roughly 9:30 PM last night the Sheriff's Departments latest update on their facebook page says, don't trust anything unless it comes from them, meaning not the media (paraphrasing). It also goes on to say the smallest piece of information could help solve this case, such as people remembering suspicious vehicles or people they saw around the date of the incident (paraphrasing). What the what? I am also officially confused. We have the media and the Sheriffs department in complete contradiction from my standpoint. I am also going to bed.

 

[kittythehare]

7 hours? Wow. How could they have p

Interesting theory. That actually seems plausible. I've been sitting here wondering how they could NOT have seen this "game changing" footage.

The best I could come up with is that when they viewed this footage, they were looking for a missing child, and were believing SM's story that she had seen him at 3pm. The police didn't arrive monday night until 10pm. Maybe they only watched the footage from 3-10pm?

MOO

It's a good camera. IMO they should have harvested a week's readings from it.
I doubt they believed her, they're not completely stupid and trained to know when somebody is lying. The footage from his cameras alone are worth their weight in gold to an investigation team, high definition, lived just 2 doors down, willing holder... it was an egregious omission IMO An 11-year-old boy went to play at a friend's house last week. No one has seen him since - CNN

 

[squareandrabbet]

Yeah, i think the "deserving an apology" attitude/statement is key, unfortunately.

She expects that when everyone knows the full truth she will get said apology - from Gannon.

Not from her husband, or the meanie-means putting forward death threats, but from Gannon.

That attitude tells me, that she thinks whatever happened to Gannon was justified as a result of something he did; and that she thinks we'll all understand the punishment she dealt out (whatever that is), when we only know what happened.

I don't want to say or think it, but I'm being realistic I think, especially since we know that one thing SM couldn't do in her interview was stay on the side of realism; because she already lied and performed a fake Google search.

So whatever she was saying as alibi/conversation to the reporter, had to be heartfelt and justified about the situation/past events in her opinion, and spring easily to her lips.

I pray I'm wrong.

Also, I think as long as we believe (which I do; I see no reason for Rodderick to misrepresent it) that Al Stauch's first response was indeed tears and to proclaim that SM lied; I assume that AS can both tell SM and Gannon by their body language, clothing, etc., even if the footage is poor.

I should also think that he would have a vested knee-jerk self-interest in not having SM be to blame, because of what it says about he and his spousal judgment; and that his first self-preservatory reaction would be to disbelieve its being SM, if there was any wiggle room at all.

 

[catch_22]

Thank you so much! Okay, so he does not say they were there for 6-7 hours but that they went over that many hours of footage (could have been fast forwarding through it). I wonder if they missed it? The article dated yesterday concerns me because it seems like LE has been saying all this time he is a runaway on foot - or went missing on his way (also on foot) to his friends house. If they knew that was not likely to be the case, then I am confused. Why mislead the public who are helping search and send in tips? I am wondering if an officer dropped the ball when reviewing these tapes and missed it but that also does not seem plausible - surely they would have looked at the time before she said he left since that account was given by only one person and happened to be his caregiver - caregivers are always suspects at first. I am completely confused. I give up! I need some sleep

I think LE missed this footage......somehow. As opposed to the idea that they knew of the footage, and didn't inform the media, public, and searchers.

I do, however, feel like LE generally views the public and the media as "the enemy". To LE, I'm sure it seems like the public and media are just watching over their shoulder.......waiting to second guess, criticize, and "gotcha" them. That can't be fun.

I think if it was up to LE, NO information would ever be released. They just want to do their jobs. Information releases just causes them headaches.

Sadly, it wouldn't shock me if LE allowed searchers to waste their time and resources. Cops are imperfect humans, too.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

If the video is accurate, SM lied plain and simple. I can only think of one reason to be untruthful to LE. We've been down this road countless times. We know the signs. The only hope I have is that shes a spiteful biotch, and has Gannon hidden out somewhere. That doesn't seem likely, but it's all I can think of. She took him somewhere ...

That is exactly my hope....especially with her comments regarding don't harass me, Gannon is fine and will be back, I expect an apology from my husband and everyone else under the sun (again paraphrasing). What kind of sick game is she playing? If she is hiding this child somewhere and thinks she will come out on top suing everyone and anyone for their judgment or opinions, she is sorely mistaken. However, if that is her MO, dumb on her part, but I will be ecstatic if Gannon is unharmed and okay at the end of this nightmare. Off to sleep and this time I mean it!

 

[MsBetsy]

I go back to the video posted prior that says LE does NOT dispute the neighbors claims of what the video shows. I’m sure LE is aware the neighbor is claiming it looks like Gannon was drugged.

I also think that may be why BD was crying. Not just the timeline being off.

I don't think the father would have had to see his child drugged or distressed to have become upset.

It's not 'just' that the timeline is off, it could have been his realizing for the first time, knowing she lied about significant details, that his beloved child might actually be hurt or dead. And that she may have been the person responsible.

It can't be easy to know that the woman you married and trusted to care for your children would act in such a deceitful, vile manner.

Especially when it comes to the life of your child.

Imo

 

[Seajay]

I expected an arrest today. Darn. I watched the video a couple of times and to me, it’s as clear as mud. I do not see Gannon. I do not see SM loading anything into the truck. I wanted a smoking gun.

I still am of the belief someone in that household is responsible for disappearing that boy. I suppose I’ll just have to wait a little longer. Another day or two hopefully and Gannon will be found. I M O

 

[kittythehare]

I think LE missed this footage......somehow. As opposed to the idea that they knew of the footage, and didn't inform the media, public, and searchers.

I do, however, feel like LE generally views the public and the media as "the enemy". To LE, I'm sure it seems like the public and media are just watching over their shoulder.......waiting to second guess, criticize, and "gotcha" them. That can't be fun.

I think if it was up to LE, NO information would ever be released. They just want to do their jobs. Information releases just causes them headaches.

Sadly, it wouldn't shock me if LE allowed searchers to waste their time and resources. Cops are imperfect humans, too.

To the best of my knowledge they acknowledged that the footage discovered by neighbor led to the enhanced searches yesterday, they must have missed it first time. 300 people had received police clearance to go work that search. Those background searches took a lot of manpower, then suddenly a modified search was organised with just 50 people... operations centre was moved at 2pm, due to @something' that had come up in the course of their investigation..
This is the 'something'.
Not good and what else did they miss?

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I don't think the father would have had to see his child drugged or distressed to have become upset.

It's not "just" that the timeline is off, it may have been the realization that, knowing she lied about significant details, his beloved child might actually be hurt or dead.

It can't be easy to know that the woman you married and trusted to care for your children would act in such a deceitful, vile manner.

Especially when it come to the life of your child.

Imo

I couldn't agree more! If I were in Gannon's dad's shoes, just the lie alone, add in the betrayal of the person he trusted to love and care for his child, not to mention the fear of...where is my son, would be absolutely devastating! I can't imagine when the neighbor showed him that video, he had the wear with all to even process if the child were distressed or drugged. I watched that video many times and unless there is more that we haven't seen or other camera views...I can't discern Gannon being distressed or drugged. He barely enters the frame and gets in the truck. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

I couldn't agree more! If I were in Gannon's dad's shoes, just the lie alone, add in the betrayal of the person he trusted to love and care for his child, not to mention the fear of...where is my son, would be absolutely devastating! I can't imagine when the neighbor showed him that video, he had the wear with all to even process if the child were distressed or drugged. I watched that video many times and unless there is more that we haven't seen or other camera views...I can't discern Gannon being distressed or drugged. He barely enters the frame and gets in the truck. JMO

He showed the father the video early last Sunday morning. Links posted upthread. Father immediately contacted LE and we know the rest... some of t, not enough.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I'm hoping that when SM said Gannon was so "sweet" and "helpful" that was her actually feeling something, an inkling of remorse for whatever did happen, and that when it comes down to it, she'll reveal where he is.
ETA: If she did leave with him but return without him.

 

[kittythehare]

As they wait for answers her advice is to "keep Gannon at the forefront and focus. That's your focus is his safe return home...what they can do is they can be proactive in the search for their son. That's going to help them...it's gonna help them be, to be sharing on social media, their son's information, disseminating information just to be active so that they're being productive and not just putting it completely on law enforcement's hands, but working together with them."

Learn more about all 73 children from Colorado currently being sought with the help of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, click here.

Family of Christopher Abeyta offers support for Stauch family

 

[Rosiebones]

For sake of discussion, what if Gannon was sick from appendicitis or some other intestinal condition like a strangulated hernia, that progressed to the critical stage, and she was taking him to an urgent care or walk in facility and he died in the back seat on the way. What could possibly be her motive to dispose of his body rather than continue on to the hospital? Did she think that she would be blamed in some way so seriously that she panicked and tried to cover it up?

 

[jeni25]

Brought over from thread #3.
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Up Rampart range rd, a slow drive that starts(or ends) in GoG park, but leads to the outskirts of Woodland Park. Lots of dead bodies dropped on this road. Google “dead body rampart range rd”.

Another long rd out of springs would be Gold Camp Rd, which goes to cripple creek. Another hot spot for dead bodies. This starts in Co springs near Cheyenne mtn, by the area one of the Petcos is in.

Thanks, mustloco for the information on Rampart Range Road. That is a lot, a lot of people found dead up there. Kinda scary.[/

Wondering what it will take for LE to take in the truck to check GPS after the four hour trip?

 

[bkgregg5]

For sake of discussion, what if Gannon was sick from appendicitis or some other intestinal condition like a strangulated hernia, that progressed to the critical stage, and she was taking him to an urgent care or walk in facility and he died in the back seat on the way. What could possibly be her motive to dispose of his body rather than continue on to the hospital? Did she think that she would be blamed in some way so seriously that she panicked and tried to cover it up?

I’ve wondered the same thing. Did she wake up that morning planning to harm him? Or was it something else, and she was worried about negligence. Was she drunk? High? I’ve followed many a cases in my lifetime and this one stumps me. I mean, literally, WTF did she do to/with him.

 

[303gmf]

I see that El Paso has used Automatic License Plate Readers (ALPR) for 14 years.

Here's what I've found. I'm hoping so much that the L.E. can retrieve information either from a vehicle gps tracker or that the license was picked up on an Automated License Plate Reader.


Automated License Plate Readers (ALPRs)"ALPRs automatically capture all license plate numbers that come into view, along with the location, date, and time. The data, which includes photographs of the vehicle and sometimes its driver and passengers, is then uploaded to a central server."

According to Texas A&M Transportation Institute, the El Paso Police Department has used ALPR technology since 2006. As of 2012, the agency operated 23 mobile ALPR units and owns six ALPR-equipped trailers that can be parked along any roadway. These trailers include a radar system and a “Your Speed Is:” display. Horizon City also has one ALPR-equipped patrol car as of 2012 and feeds the data it collects in to EPPD’s database.



Surveillance Tech in El Paso County, Texas

Confused as you’re posting Texas information?

 

[MadTing]

Does that mean its release may not have been strategic?

I don't see how the video would be strategic to release, it only gives the SM and her lawyer's more time to create another story to cover them selves, it would be much more beneficial to keep this as an ace up their sleeve and catch her off guard with it.