CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #57

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  • #661
A subtitled version would be good - I genuinely can't deal with her voice.

That's a good point. I think I will put it on Law & Crime and turn on CC. If it's a decent recording, the subtitles should be accurate.
 
  • #662
I hope it’s video and audio so we get to see her stuffing tissues in her pants , lol.
Hope the audio isn’t crap.

JMO
I'd say it can't be worse than the sound quality of the 911 tapes, but that'd just be begging for sod's law to pitch in and make it unlistenable in some new and horrifying way, so I am going to predict it's going to be amazing. Surround sound, 5.1. Every claim of constitutional rights being violated captured in terrible, unfortunate clarity.

MOO
 
  • #663
So, do we think Edguardo is something she made up on the fly when she was at the police station and ran with it, or is he a little story she has had tucked away just incase a situation called for it?.
She has a history of claiming sexual assault to get her way, maybe even as far back as childhood, so I'm inclined to think she had Edguardo primed and ready to go, possibly to sell a sob story to Al to keep him, but he slotted in nicely for her keep out of jail act.
I think lying, gaslighting and not taking personal responsibility are tactics she resorts to often. Edguardo (and Quincy) themselves made up on the fly after some sleepless nights figuring out how to get out of this. I don’t doubt this crime sent her into some manic state where she was full of ideas how to extract herself. But it also shows she was of sound mind as far as knowing right from wrong.
 
  • #664
I think lying, gaslighting and not taking personal responsibility are tactics she resorts to often. Edguardo (and Quincy) themselves made up on the fly after some sleepless nights figuring out how to get out of this. I don’t doubt this crime sent her into some manic state where she was full of ideas how to extract herself. But it also shows she was of sound mind as far as knowing right from wrong.
Eguardo was definitely a figment of her deranged imagination, but QB was a real person. She saw his mugshot and description on the local news. And tried to frame him.

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  • #665
"We believed she was being wrongly accused of something that we believed she wouldn't, she would never do," he said. "We also wanted to come out and help look for him [Gannon]. We did!"

He testified that they never assisted with searches for Gannon but had asked Stauch about them. He said Stauch told them they could talk to Al (Gannon's dad) and go if they wanted to.

Lowry testified that they stayed at a hotel for a few days and rented a cargo van to retrieve personal belongings from Stauch's home. He said the police were there and looked over everything they brought out.

"I felt like we were getting looked at as criminals," he said. "They were looking at the whole family. It wasn't just her."

Lowry testified that his aunt had rented the cargo van and Stauch rented another Budget van under her name. They transferred the items from one van to the other. He said as they did that, he noticed Stauch struggling with an older green suitcase.

"Did you offer to help her?" asked prosecutor Dave Young.
"Yep."
"What did she say?"
"She didn't need help."
"Did you ask her what was in the suitcase?"
"Yep," Lowry replied. "She told me it was softball stuff," he added as his voice cracked.

"I didn't feel right about it," he said. "I just felt like it was too heavy for her."
 
  • #666
Defense is really questioning laypeople giving opinions of sanity, stating statutes, prosecution thinks it's allowable. Judge thinks he's given instructions already on this matter. Talking about legal sanity vs. medical sanity now. Interesting.

A detective I didn't catch the name of on most of the morning tomorrow. EDIT: Jessica Bethel, thank you, Cindizzi.

PLAYING WHOLE FOUR HOUR INITIAL LS POLICE INTERVIEW TOMORROW.
Not sure I can listen to Tee for 4 hours.

God help us all.

MOO
 
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Off-topic, but the current testimony brings this to mind.

Does anyone know what happened to that Stauch residence? Did it ever sell to a new owner? I know that I, personally, would have a tough time living in that house knowing what happened there.
I'm not sure the former owner wanted to sell it as it was purchased as a rental property, and the Stauchs were the first renters to lease the new property. In a tight housing market with rising interest rates blocking many would-be buyers, I'm sure the newer house would rent quickly. JMO

ETA: The Tacoma, WA house where Kassandra Cantrell was murdered was sold by the killer's family in November 2022 (at a discount) just before his sentencing but it was resold by the new owners recently at market price for a substantial profit. Kassandra's case was on 48 Hours last Saturday.

 
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  • #669
Not sure I can listen to Tee for 4 hours.

God help us all.

MOO

I can only imagine what it felt like to be Gannon listening to her the night before his death, through the wee hours of the day of his death, in the car with her as she stumbled around to make a plan and when she was ultimately killing him. I am willing to bet that her voice and her actions had been horrible to him, his sister and his step-sister whenever she was angry, losing it, or AS was away from them---- abuse on top of abuse.

I forgot. JMHO.
 
  • #670
Witness: Amanda Van Nest, FNE - UC Health Memorial Hospital
I loved that this witness opined that LS did not appear freshly showered during her alleged sexual assault exam because her hair was greasy and uncombed. :rolleyes:
 
  • #671
Eguardo was definitely a figment of her deranged imagination, but QB was a real person. She saw his mugshot and description on the local news. And tried to frame him.

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She covers all bases.

"She takes a whiskey drink... she takes a vodka drink"... she names someone random she made up... she takes to the police blotter and pegs in the first name she sees...
 
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A child's bedroom.

Where he should have felt and been the safest.

:(

But, it's actually pretty common that many children don't feel safe.

My students often don't have a bedroom. I've got several students who live in 400 sf with 7 other people (or more - 7 is the average for this group of what we call "very disadvantaged" students.

I know fellow instructors whose kids do not have their own rooms (teachers don't get paid a lot, rent is really high here) and some who do not create a safe environment for their children (I've witnessed it).

The notion that each child has their own room and safe space is rather new (I knew lots of kids growing up who slept in a room with others). I know lots of kids who don't feel comfortable around their own siblings (it's a really common complaint, actually - not like it's assault, but noise complains, insults, petty thefts, punches that result in bruises or worse - all very common among siblings who share rooms). The stress that families endure trying to "provide" all the rooms needed for 2-4 kids simply adds to the stress and results in family breakdowns.

IMO. That comfortable middle class lifestyle is harder and harder to achieve. Some don't feel safe in their own homes.

I believe that AS and LH certainly wanted safety for Gannon. But sometimes we have to let our children know that even home might not be safe from Stranger Danger (if only Gannon had used his phone to call his mom or dad on his last day...or the day before, or the time that the abuse began, because I don't think it had just started the day of his "disappearance."

But I do love that you hold this value, @Megnut. And I preach to whoever will listen (in my private, not work life) that people ought not to have children if they can't handle the emotional stress of one (and we never know what we're going to get, that's for sure - some kids are more difficult than others).

IMO.
 
  • #674
Not sure I can listen to Tee for 4 hours.

God help us all.

MOO
I will, but I don't think I'm going to enjoy it.

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant.

MOO
 
  • #675
So LS did a runner from her own "sex assault" exam. When the prosecution asked to admit photos from the forensic nurse (Amanda Van Nest), I was actually hoping for some pictures from LS's nether regions, as crass as it sounds. If we had to see Gannon laid bare half decomposed on the autopsy table, it might have been nice to see her all exposed. This case is bringing out the worst in me. It's too bad she can't be executed and I'm a little mad at Polis right now, because the DP being an option may have been the only thing that would have persuaded her to plead guilty.
 
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  • #677
Off-topic, but the current testimony brings this to mind.

Does anyone know what happened to that Stauch residence? Did it ever sell to a new owner? I know that I, personally, would have a tough time living in that house knowing what happened there.

I'm not sure the former owner wanted to sell it as it was purchased as a rental property, and the Stauchs were the first renters to lease the new property. In a tight housing market with rising interest rates blocking many would-be buyers, I'm sure the newer house would rent quickly. JMO

ETA: The Tacoma, WA house where Kassandra Cantrell was murdered was sold by the killer's family in November 2022 (at a discount) just before his sentencing but it was resold by the new owners recently at market price for a substantial profit. Kassandra's case was on 48 Hours last Saturday.

6627 Mandan Dr, Colorado Springs, CO 80925 | Zillow

According to Zillow, the house was sold in July 2020.
 
  • #678
DBM. Duplicate post.
 
  • #679
6627 Mandan Dr, Colorado Springs, CO 80925 | Zillow

According to Zillow, the house was sold in July 2020.
I don't think it was sold but placed into a limited partnership. This transaction, recorded only months after GS murder was likely by the owners protecting their investment versus a real estate sales transaction to an unrelated public buyer. In July 2020, ghouls and sleuths were still acting as property voyeurs. JMO
 
  • #680
I hope her's is a video statement ,I hope she never has to see the defendant again . That poor baby girl has to have nightmares about the defendant. Jmoo
IMO it will be the little girl Laina that undoes this nonsense defense of insanity. I am sure the child saw LS mistreating her brother. It will show there was a pattern of being hateful or abusive to Gannon or just not liking him, and that this was no snapping or insanity.
 
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