CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

[Megnut]

Are T's alleged miscarriages and terminations documented anywhere?

Has T made up her entire adulthood?

 

[Warwick7]

Tee had multiple STD treatments and miscarriages.
Possible indicator of DID..per defense.

So why did he just mention inability to orgasm?

What??
None of these is a possible indicator of DID.
This is really getting to be too much.

 

[Seattle1]

To be clear, most of what Tolini is offering from a memorandum of the defense's interview of HH in SC was NOT offered by HH under oath by HH in court. In fact, most of this was denied.

Dr. Torres did not watch HH's testimony. Why is the prosecution not objecting? Let's hope they correct the record in re-direct.

 

[iamshadow21]

What??
None of these is a possible indicator of DID.
This is really getting to be too much.

He said that some people with DID can be sexually promiscuous, and therefore all the STIs, miscarriages, and abortions.

Sexual promiscuity is not part of the diagnostic criteria for DID.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Are T's alleged miscarriages and terminations documented anywhere?

Has T made up her entire adulthood?

Yawn... more LS bs.

IMO, probably mostly self-diagnosed by LS. Every time she was 3 days late she could say she was PG! But when married to AS, she started producing fake sonograms or embellishing PG with multiples knowing he was skeptical.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Are T's alleged miscarriages and terminations documented anywhere?

Has T made up her entire adulthood?

I’m glad you brought that up. I called bs on those right away.

 

[iamshadow21]

A single question in isolation proves nothing.

 

[Amster]

Call HH back! Supposedly she saw all the different personalities & observed monster mom having ups & downs? What about hearing Gannon take his last breath? I’d get her back in there & not be so gentle if she knows more about this!!

 

[Curious Me]

People who have been coached about Dissociative Identity Disorder and non-coached, took some test and the results compared scores, finding the highest scores came from people who had been endorsed by the DID coaches. Most and Least in the three groups, specific questions, one of the questions, #12, asked yes or no about sexual difficulty and 90% indicated they had that, and even the other group said yes to that question. Letecia described that, and mentioned that. MOO, no big deal.

Me-- I want to go home now. Oh, I am home. ​

 

[Warwick7]

Can we done today?
I find LS exhausting...

 

[Marie Bell]

A single question in isolation proves nothing.

Especially when you're on a murder charge and you're asked the question 'are you a law breaker?'

 

[10ofRods]

This is what I'm getting:

T murdered an 11 year old. But doesn't want to have to admit it so wants somebody to say she didn't do it, her super power did.

I am utterly exhausted.

That sounds like the entire defense, in a nutshell. I am pretty sure most murderers want it to be the case that somebody else did it. T actually did admit it, in these most recent interview tapes, and she admitted it again in her plea. But she still wants it to be "somebody else."

(It was the DSM 4, actually.)

MOO

You are correct. Thank you.

Name stayed the same from 4 to 5, some changes in wording for the diagnostic criteria.

From https://www.psychiatry.org/File Lib.../APA_DSM_Changes_from_DSM-IV-TR_-to_DSM-5.pdf

(page 10)

Major changes in dissociative disorders in DSM-5 include the following: 1) derealization is included in the name and symptom structure of what previously was called depersonalization disorder and is now called depersonalization/derealization disorder, 2) dissociative fugue is now a specifier of dissociative amnesia rather than a separate diagnosis, and 3) the criteria for dissociative identity disorder have been changed to indicate that symptoms of disruption of identity may be reported as well as observed, and that gaps in the recall of events may occur for everyday and not just traumatic events. Also, experiences of pathological possession in some cultures are included in the description of identity disruption.

Dissociative Identity Disorder Several changes to the criteria for dissociative identity disorder have been made in DSM-5. First, Criterion A has been expanded to include certain possession-form phenomena and functional neurological symptoms to account for more diverse presentations of the disorder. Second, Criterion A now specifically states that transitions in identity may be observable by others or self-reported. Third, according to Criterion B, individuals with dissociative identity disorder may have recurrent gaps in recall for everyday events, not just for traumatic experiences. Other text modifications clarify the nature and course of identity disruptions.

I try to keep in mind that all of this reflects the needs of psychiatric/medical/psychological research. Possession (the state of believing oneself to be possessed) is now under DID. And the symptoms can be *either* self-reported OR observed by others (hence explaining why most sufferers do not know they have it).

I do wonder how DID is supposed to differ from Depersonalization/Derealization if the patient doesn't have to have named alters. The kind of derealization or depersonalization that accompanies some religious experiences is excluded both from DID and the other disorders in its group, as far as I can tell. D/D overlaps, interestingly, with VSS (Visual Snow Syndrome, suffered by Bryan Kohberger).

D/D is supposed to be for people who are otherwise not fully psychotic (completely out of touch with reality). I can think of some so-called cultural psychoses (Wendigo, for example) where the person parses reality well (is able to run at full speed through groves of trees, jumping over things, climbing obstacles, etc) but other parts of reality are perceived (hallucinated?) in bizarre ways. The sufferers of Wendigo are thought to have been protein malnourished (so a biophysiological cause in the brain?)

Are all of these things "insanity"?? Dr Lewis says that there are no clear bio-markers for DID, but recent research says that there are *some,* at least for some patients. Another DSM-5 Dx that causes criminality (Antisocial PD) also has bio-markers (more than one and they appear to be additive, IMO).

IMO.

 

[Megnut]

Not quoting myself, asking freshly

is he still talking?

 

[iamshadow21]

There is nothing impulsive in what she did to Gannon. Three weapons. A cleanup. Deception and hiding and lying, culminating an a cross-country drive for a body dump.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Defense has abandoned DID. Now they're going after not guilty by reason of borderline personality disorder?

 

[Amster]

She thought killing Gannon was right?
What a load of LIES!!!!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Lying liar who lies. Eleventy billion times.

 

[Curious Me]

Dr. Torres agrees sometimes Borderline Personality Disorder attachments may mean idealizing men (or an attraction), and then switch and not like them at all. Yes, BPD can suffer from psychosis, but it's transient usually, but not always. Visual and auditory, but not actual delusions. It depends on the person, but sometimes distrust of the partner would cause paranoia. Temporary psychosis though, and it comes and goes. They tend to maintain reality, compared to a psychotic delusion.
​

Dr. Torres says the defendant says she does (claiming) she experiences some psychotic delusions.

Borderline personality disorder affects how you feel about yourself, how you relate to others and how you behave.
Signs and symptoms may include:

• An intense fear of abandonment, even going to extreme measures to avoid real or imagined separation or rejection​
• A pattern of unstable intense relationships, such as idealizing someone one moment and then suddenly believing the person doesn't care enough or is cruel​
• Rapid changes in self-identity and self-image that include shifting goals and values, and seeing yourself as bad or as if you don't exist at all​
• Periods of stress-related paranoia and loss of contact with reality, lasting from a few minutes to a few hours​
• Impulsive and risky behavior, such as gambling, reckless driving, unsafe sex, spending sprees, binge eating or drug abuse, or sabotaging success by suddenly quitting a good job or ending a positive relationship​
• Suicidal threats or behavior or self-injury, often in response to fear of separation or rejection​
• Wide mood swings lasting from a few hours to a few days, which can include intense happiness, irritability, shame or anxiety​
• Ongoing feelings of emptiness​
• Inappropriate, intense anger, such as frequently losing your temper, being sarcastic or bitter, or having physical fights​

Borderline personality disorder - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[shotgun09]

Yes!!!
Redirect.....Calling LS a lying liar who lies...

The state rests! ( I hope )

 

[10ofRods]

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Defense has abandoned DID. Now they're going after not guilty by reason of borderline personality disorder?

WUT??

Oh, this is rather a first in such a high profile trial. OMgoodness.