VERDICT WATCH CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #67

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  • #861
This defense sounds like a desperate slacker advocating for an evil desperate slacker.

I'm so tired of the defense's claim that LS is intelligent, "why would an intelligent person do this"?. No, she's an idiot. She is an absolute MORON who was acting as a very evil, very desperate stupid woman.
 
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IMO, T’s description of “mania” sounds like BPD symptoms and not bipolar disorder.

Background: I most likely have BPD. I’ve never been officially diagnosed because I was only 14 when I was evaluated and met the diagnostic criteria, and personality disorders are rarely ever diagnosed before adulthood. But I spent 2 months as a teenager in a long-term mental hospital to treat symptoms and be in therapy. I still struggle with the same symptoms although I have a better awareness from having been in intensive therapy for so long. Still in therapy.

Anyway…at least in my experience, getting periods of being hyper/“manic” for a few hours or days is just a part of borderline symptoms. I was initially misdiagnosed as bipolar, but medications for bipolar disorder either made my depression worse or simply did nothing. It’s not uncommon for people with BPD to be first misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder, since some symptoms overlap and because there are so many different types of bipolar.

IMO, Dr. Grimmett was savvy to recognize that these symptoms were not indicative of bipolar. I think that shows her expertise as a doctor.

IMO
 
  • #864
Judge said this morning they would break for lunch after Defense closing. Then come back to Prosecution rebuttal.
Defense is through and Judge is letting everyone take a break then rebuttal.
 
  • #865
Really sucks what they are doing to people with true mental illness.
It's seriously offensive.

I've taken it quite personally all of the bipolar, mania and psychosis talk

The rat face wouldn't know actual psychosis if it hit her in her moon face
 
  • #866
Leticia wanted to be the hero in everyone's story.
She wanted to be the hero to Harley.

* Look at your mom. I am educated, caring for your step father's children, and working to show you how strong women are*

She wanted to be the hero to Landen.

* Look at me. I will do YOUR job for YOU. I will care for and raise your children because you are not fit to do it.*

She wanted to be the hero to Al.

*Look at me. I keep your house clean. I care for your children in your absence. You could not have these children in your life if it wasn't for my sacrifices.*

She wanted to be the hero to Laina.

*I will be your mom now. I will sacrifice my world to be the woman that your own mommy refuses to be.*

She wanted to be the hero to Gannon.

*I don't really like you much, but I am willing to give up so much in order for you to have stability. How dare you want to go be with your unstable birther when I clean you up and feed you.*

IMO, Gannon was the one who saw through Leticia for who and what she really is. He knew that she was a hateful dangerous and manipulative woman. Of course he couldn't verbalize this BUT HE KNEW.
She was NEVER going to be his hero. That was Leticia's breaking point. At that same time, Al was losing interest in her as his wife.

Someone was going to pay for her loss of status.
Sadly, that was an 11 year old child that just wanted his real mommy back in his life. Not only was he to pay the price, that 11 year old child would suffer and be tortured for 24 hours.

Today is the day that Gannon gets justice.

Today is the day that Leticia is called out for her sins and walks away covered in the blood of a child that deserved to live a beautiful life.

RIP beautiful boy. Today, we will celebrate justice.

EBM
 
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  • #868
Tolini is now talking about Dr. Lewis, the defense’s psychiatrist who conducted a sanity evaluation on Stauch. Tolini said she’s 85 years old, and has been researching people with mental illnesses for decades. “She was groundbreaking in her field,” said Tolini.

Tolini said Dr. Lewis has more expertise on this subject that anyone else in the country. He admitted that Dr. Lewis confused some things with her memory during her testimony. “I’m not disputing that… Do not discount her decades of her experience. To not discount her expertise.”

Tolini said that Dr. Lewis said, “Mrs Stauch is one of the most mentally ill people she’s ever dealt with.” Tolini said, she didn’t endorse that it was Maria who did this. What she said was that Stauch dissociated the memory of the homicide because she can’t bear to deal with it.


So what she said was, Letecia committed the murder of Gannon and THEN dissociated? So not cray cray at the time, only after?!.

DID well discredited, better pick another-
chocolate box
PICK ONE.
Stop reading.

I'm just hearing burrrrrrrr burrr burrr..

Who wrote his speech?

Forrest Gump?
 
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It's seriously offensive.

I've taken it quite personally all of the bipolar, mania and psychosis talk

The rat face wouldn't know actual psychosis if it hit her in her moon face
How could you not take it personally? Thank goodness he is done and hopefully we never have to hear any defense of this garbage ever again.
 
  • #871
My daughter called me during the Defense Closing so I got to miss most of it.
Same, I have a friend driving up the east coast alone and wants some company on the phone. Had to follow most of it on here instead. What I did hear was a bunch of brain-numbing nonsense
 
  • #872
I'm not recalling any of the three Court Ordered evaluators from CMHP (Torres, Gray, etc) diagnosed LS with BPD.

I recall they opined she showed characteristics of borderline personality disorder as well as narcissism but she did not present with sufficient criteria for a medical diagnosis of the same.

Correct?

I think Dr Torres and Dr Gray did?, In one of their evaluations, I think I remember Dr Grimmet saying that they had, but ultimately she didn't do the same. I absolutely could be remembering it wrong though.
 
  • #873
Lemme summarize.

T is a great person, a great teacher, loving. Then she went psychotic for about a month. And she's blocked out the memory of what she did.

Rubbish.
It came and went in spasms, to be more accurate. Apparently she was smiley and laughing when the police first visited because she didn't even know she'd done anything by then. The psychosis made a lucky return though, because it allowed her to remember and to start moving the body around the town, and everything.
 
  • #874
Prosecution Closing Statements


Closing arguments in the murder trial for #LeteciaStauch are underway.

Prosecutor Dave Young said it’s been a long trial and jurors have sat through a lot of evidence. “I want to say thank you for that. You guys have been very attentive. You’ve asked some very good questions that I’m going to use in my closing argument,” said Young.

"Gannon’s been in a box for the whole trial. This is what the trial should be about. I’m not doing this to get sympathy from you. I’m doing this to tell you what Gannon had to tell you through this trial through the autopsy is all you need to know," said Young.

Young asked, "If his body wasn’t found in Florida, do you think we’d be talking about insanity in this trial?"

Jurors are now looking at the autopsy report of Gannon Stauch.

“Just by looking at these injuries what does that tell you? Gannon was defending himself, he was fighting off. Despite having hydrocodone in his system, despite being lethargic. He was able to fight her off… 18 times she took a knife and stabbed him," said Young.

"As Gannon is fighting, the stab wounds are to his back. But it’s not just the stab wounds. She has to use judgment and reflection to get another weapon. What that weapon was, who knows. But she got another weapon and hit him in the skull several times," said Young.

“Why do they drive all the way from Decatur in one night and drive to Florida? Why did she want to get to Florida? The Gulf of Mexico,” said Young.

Young asked, “Does she think there’s water underneath the bridge? Is that logical thinking when you cross the bridge and can’t see anything… She gets rid of the body. Does she ever think the body is going to be found again?”

Young talked about Macon Ponder, the bridge inspector who found the suitcase in Florida. “They dump it out and see the most horrific thing they’ve probably seen in their lives, Gannon’s body in a fetal position… Wearing the same clothes he’s wearing when she killed him.”

“Did she intend to kill Gannon when she did what she did with Gannon? I would suggest that’s not disputed," said Young.

When talking about the definition of insanity, Young said, “These words mean a lot. This is not something you’re going to find in the DSM5… This is a legal definition of insanity… The law presumes everybody to be sane.”

Young asked, so what does insanity mean? She was so diseased or defective in mind, she couldn’t distinguish right from wrong. But “If you lost your temper, you don’t get to claim insanity.”

Young goes over the legal definition of insanity: “Mental disease or defect means only those “severely abnormal mental conditions that grossly and demonstrably impair a persons perception or understanding of reality.”

“Do you think Harley might notice she might have a grossly and demonstrably mental condition?... Do you think Al stauch might have noticed for it to be grossly and demonstrably… What about her brother? Dakota Lowery? You think he might have noticed it," said Young.

Young talked about Dr. Niederhauser and Dr. Mohr, who worked with Stauch. Dr. Niederhauser worked with Stauch in December 2019. Stauch told her she has general anxiety. Dr. Mohr worked with Stauch after she was arrested. Stauch also told her that she only had general anxiety.

Young said it wasn't until June 2020, where Stauch brought up questions about her competency.

Young said, Stauch said, ‘I’ve got bipolar disorder. I’m a manic depressant. I ramble. I’m a manic depression, that’s my mental illness.’ Nothing about dissociative identity disorder, which according to Dr. Lewis she’s had since a very young age. Nothing about Maria Sanchez.”

Young asked, “Do you think she might be faking it? During that evaluation No history of inpatient treatment of psychosis either during that evaluation.”

Young said during the second competency evaluation with Dr. Grimmett in December 2020, “Now she starts talking about dissociative identity disorder and bipolar disorder… She says she has four distinct personalities. None of those four were Maria Sanchez.”

Young said Stauch pleaded not guilty by reason insanity in February 2022. He said Dr. Lewis recommended that Stauch change her plea to not guilty by reason of insanity. Then Stauch went back to the state hospital for a sanity evaluation.

Young said, “What is the defendant saying now? She’s not bipolar. Now she’s created more personalities as part of dissociative identity disorder. Is it a coincident that she’s consulted with Dr. Lewis prior to this? And now Maria Sanchez comes into play during this evaluation.

Dr. Torres and Dr. Grey asked if they could talk to Maria. “We saw how that happened on Wednesday. It was magic according to Dr. Lewis,” said Dr. Young. Dr. Torres and Dr. Grey said Stauch has a personality with borderline and narcissistic features.

Young talked about how Dr. Lewis testified, “She’s acting… You have to look at her demeanor and manor while testifying. She wouldn’t answer any of my questions because she didn’t want you to know the answers… She shows up to court late. Talk about narcissistic tendencies.”

Young continued to talk about Dr. Lewis and asked, “Are they going to do a documentary if she says she’s sane? I think it speaks for itself how she testified.”

Young said, “Dr Lewis, she didn’t know the legal definition of insanity in the state of Colorado ladies and gentleman. The whole reason she came into testify.”

The video that’s been played for jurors several times as Gannon is asking about his burns, is played again for the jurors. Young asked, “Why did she videotape this? Do you think it was about Gannon’s burns?”

Young said, the next morning, Stauch texted her assistant principal saying her step father was killed. “Could it possibly mean she knew what she was going to do? Because shortly after that, she calls Gannon’s school and says he’s not coming in. And then texts Al.”

Young said then she takes a picture of Gannon in bed. “Why did she take a picture of Gannon in his bed in his bedroom and then text it to Al?… 'Look Gannon’s alive. He’s here, he’s sick, he’s in bed.’”

Young asked, “You think he might be lethargic from the hydrocodone? You think she wants to prove he’s still alive because she knew how much hydrocodone she gave him?”

Young asked, “Do you think it’s that far fetched she knows Gannon had been poisoned and she knows something might happen to Gannon?”

Young asked, “How could she do this? How could she talk to Gannon’s father like nothing happened? Is that traits of an antisocial personality order? The fact you can be so cold and callous and act like nothing happened. And she does it through the whole day. You guys know that.”

Young is talking about how Letecia put Gannon’s body in the back of her Tiguan, then dropped it off at the airport, and rented another vehicle. Then Letecia picked Al up. Young said Letecia returned to the airport, presumably to check on the Tiguan with Gannon’s body in it.

Young said Al then went to French Elementary School that day. “When he sees the Tiguan is not there, he now knows that his wife had something to do with the disappearance of Gannon… and the investigation now looks at her.”

Young said Letecia then drove the S curve in Palmer Lake. “Why is she going out to hide the body there? Probably because it’s a good location. She can’t keep it in the Tiguan. Did she know right from wrong?”

Again, I am sitting directly behind the defense’s table and Letecia Stauch. Her head has been down during most of the closing arguments by prosecution.

Prosecutors then played the KKTV interview that Letecia did after Gannon’s disappearance. Words like "was" and "manipulation" kept showing up on the screen.

During the video, photos were shown of Gannon in bed, the blood evidence in his room, the GPS data from her phone and car, the area where the blood-stained piece of wood was found, a map of of her drive to Florida, and where the suitcase with Gannon’s body was found.

Young went over several of Letecia’s stories about what happened to Gannon. “Eduardo, immunity, Quincy Brown, several different versions of that, bike accident, uncle Matt. The one that is really significant is, 'When she says I’m so sorry Al, I wasn’t telling you the truth.’”

Young said, “What people who are truly legally insane do under these circumstances… They don’t act like that,” as he points to Letecia Stauch.

Young said, “There is only one right verdict in this case and that’s guilty to every charge that she’s charged with.” That ended closing arguments by prosecutors.



Defense Closing Statements


Closing arguments in the murder trial for #LeteciaStauch from defense are underway.

Josh Tolini began with, “the one thing they cannot answer is motive. Motive of how we can go from this picture on the hike at Garden of the Gods, loving and kind, to less than 24 hours, 18 stab wounds, four blunt force trauma injuries, and shot.”

“This wasn’t a preplanned, calculated killing for some game. This was a psychotic break fueled by rage, attacking a demon from the past,” said Tolini. “This was not pre-mediated murder. This was a psychotic break. That is the only thing that makes sense.”

Tolini said this was the biggest investigation in the history ever of El Paso County, and no family members ever said anything bad about Letecia and Gannon’s relationship.

Tolini said the fire from the candle incident set off some trigger, and Stauch had a meltdown after the fire. He said she wasn’t sleeping, and was manic at the time. She was texting throughout the night and early in the morning.

Tolini said, “Something is going on in her mind. Something in there is losing it. Something occurs in the basement, a brutal attack with rage… The brutal attack is the strongest evidence in this case.”

Tolini said there are only two things that account for her actions at this point in time. It’s either dissociation or she puts what happened to Gannon, that brutal attack, into a place in her mind that she doesn’t remember.

Tolini said, “The strongest evidence of dissociation of what’s going on here, look at the body worn camera when they come in that night looking for Gannon.”

Tolini said, “A horrible attack has just happened, and she’s acting and presents herself to these police laughing, joking, being incredibly friendly just after this has happened.”

Tolini said, “Because at that time she has dissociated this horrible act that she has committed. There is no other logical explanation of how she is doing that.”

Tolini reiterated that Stauch was not sleeping at all, and she was in a manic situation and her mind was not working. He added, what she did and all the stories she told, was irrational.

Tolini said, “It makes no sense for somebody who has pre-planned to brutally kill Gannon, then to report him missing right away, and then a matter of three days later to go police with a completely illogical story… None of that is rational. None of that makes sense.”

Tolini is now talking about Dr. Lewis, the defense’s psychiatrist who conducted a sanity evaluation on Stauch. Tolini said she’s 85 years old, and has been researching people with mental illnesses for decades. “She was groundbreaking in her field,” said Tolini.

Tolini said Dr. Lewis has more expertise on this subject that anyone else in the country. He admitted that Dr. Lewis confused some things with her memory during her testimony. “I’m not disputing that… Do not discount her decades of her experience. To not discount her expertise.”

Tolini said that Dr. Lewis said, “Mrs Stauch is one of the most mentally ill people she’s ever dealt with.” Tolini said, she didn’t endorse that it was Maria who did this. What she said was that Stauch dissociated the memory of the homicide because she can’t bear to deal with it.

Tolini said Stauch cannot accept the idea that she committed this brutal, horrible homicide. “To accept the fact in her mind would crush her, would crush her soul, would crush her identity. So she’s trying to come up with another fantasy of what happened.”

Tolini said all the doctors agreed Stauch has some kind of mental illness, but they didn’t agree with which one she had.

As jurors heard during testimony, with borderline personality disorder, people can suffer from psychosis, become irrational and dissociate with things they cannot deal with.

Tolini talked about Dakota Lowery’s testimony, who is Letecia’s half brother. He said Lowery testified that Letecia would leave knives with him so he could protect himself from something or someone. “You have the connection of Gannon being stabbed with a knife 18 times.”

Tolini said, “We are asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity… We’re saying for you to take into account the mental illness that she suffered.”

The defense is finished with their closing arguments.



Court is in recess for about 10 minutes. Prosecutors will have a rebuttal when we return.

After closing arguments, Letecia Stauch's lawyers once again, patted her on the back.

 
  • #875
It's seriously offensive.

I've taken it quite personally all of the bipolar, mania and psychosis talk

The rat face wouldn't know actual psychosis if it hit her in her moon face
The most frustrating part is that people who are in a manic or psychotic state are generally far more of a danger to themselves than other people. It’s like they’re giving the impression that psychosis and violence go hand in hand

MOO
 
  • #876
This defense sounds like a desperate slacker advocating for an evil desperate slacker.

I'm so tired of the defense's claim that LS is intelligent, "why would an intelligent person do this"?. No, she's an idiot. She is an absolute MORON who was acting as a very evil, very desperate stupid woman.
Discussing this with a friend unfamiliar with the case. I relayed this and he said

“Ummm maybe because she just wants to get away with it.” In the most “duh” tone I’ve ever heard
 
  • #877
The prosecution team is wearing blue ties
 
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  • #879
The judge has worn a blue shirt today.
I don't believe this is coincidence.



EBM for clarity
 
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  • #880
The most frustrating part is that people who are in a manic or psychotic state are generally far more of a danger to themselves than other people. It’s like they’re giving the impression that psychosis and violence go hand in hand

MOO
Exactly, much more a danger to ourselves than other people!

I can't believe that he's attempting to shift blame onto another mental illness in their closing argument
 
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