GUILTY CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #70

  • #181
I have conflicted feels over the release of documents and even words for a few elected officials that decided to make comments.
I am not sorry to see Zav girl take this hit. She has often flirted with problems ,but selling photos of a nakid deceased child? Gross.
Someone ask this child what she thinks human life is about!
 
  • #182
  • #183

I never heard of Zav Girl. I'm glad that she and other YouTube people thought this was appropriate get called out.

I believe she also aligned herself with the sketchy PI in the Kiely Rodni case, I think she is the one who went out on the water in a canoe and posted about seeing something, I can't be 100% without going back to check though, so this is pure speculation.

My opinion is that she is deliberately missing the point in her explanation post, I agree that some people can view autopsy photos in a detached way, I am one of them (I would not seek out autopsy photos of a child, i just meant i wasnt disturbed by them whilst watching the trial, and I could view them in a detached manner if I chose to, which I do not) but that is not why people are disgusted with her.

She should be ashamed of herself. Unfortunately, her post says very clearly that she is not :(
 
  • #184
That girl and anybody else who is putting those photos out there as a sort of pay per view need a slap tbh.

I understand that the true crime community is eternally growing, but these YouTubers are simply in it for the clicks and have zero respect for the victims and their families.

I aren't explaining what I mean very well as I'm not very well at the moment and my heads all fuzzy, but nowadays the TC community (especially on YouTube, which I tend to avoid as much as possible) seems to be so much less about the education that can be learnt from cases in order to learn preventional measures. Like it's all less about what can be learnt and basically kids and wannabe influencers who haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
Blah I'll come back when I can explain in an actual semi intelligent way, but Jesus wept this has made me mad but unfortunately hasn't surprised me in the least
 
  • #185
It’s been a while since this trial ended but I still keep wondering why LS did this.
The standard view seems to be she’d unintentionally injured little G & so killed him to cover it up.
This does make more sense than anything else…. but then what on earth was all that mess with him supposedly injuring himself with one household item after another?? Her ridic stories were hard to follow but AFAIK he supposedly cut himself with a boxcutter, hit his head on a bike ride, set himself on fire with a candle…. all while suffering from GI problems bad enough that he couldn’t consider going to school the next day. Huh???

What was going on here? Was this crazy monster actually just trying one method after another to kill this innocent child??! It’s hard not to consider that…. but if she actually did plan & intend to kill him, why would she not have gotten it done well before time was up & his little sister was due home etc?
It’s just so crazy
MOO
 
  • #186
wow, haven't checked on this thread in a minute, I am appalled that youtubers are charging to see autopsy photos of a murdered child. Every time I think I've seen a new low (AWP in Rodni for instance) someone comes along and says hold my beer.
:mad:
 
  • #187
The True Crime community (acknowledging I'm a member here, but this site has strict TOS) is out of control. Even the letter written to the judge in this case (posted by the court a few pages back) gave me secondhand embarrassment referencing "all of true crime youtube followers." imo
 
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  • #189
It would NOT shock me if Latecia was behind this.
She posted the video of Gannon waving bye and jumping in the "water."
She has again and again done things to cause deliberate pain particularly to Gannon's Mother. Things meant to rush her. MOO
Unfortunately, evil is not exclusive to the murderers of children, and there have always been vultures and ghouls who circle and seek to possess relics of violent death and profit from the suffering of others. There is a black trade in such things, always has been (there's a reason that things like the 'Ripper letters' vanished, probably into the hands of collectors, relatively quickly after the crimes, why people have collected money for tours of 'murder houses' throughout history) but them being sold on youtube openly for the price of a cup of coffee is a new, modern twist on how folks will dip below the lowest bar of decent behaviour where murder is concerned. LS doesn't have the power to do this from prison, and there are plenty of ruthless, amoral social media faces willing to do anything for a few clicks, subscribes, and - first and foremost - cold hard cash.

MOO
 
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  • #190
Unfortunately, evil is not exclusive to the murderers of children, and there have always been vultures and ghouls who circle and seek to possess relics of violent death and profit from the suffering of others. There is a black trade in such things, always has been (there's a reason that things like the 'Ripper letters' vanished, probably into the hands of collectors, relatively quickly after the crimes, why people have collected money for tours of 'murder houses' throughout history) but them being sold on youtube openly for the price of a cup of coffee is a new, modern twist on how folks will dip below the lowest bar of decent behaviour where murder is concerned. LS doesn't have the power to do this from prison, and there are plenty of ruthless, amoral social media faces willing to do anything for a few clicks, subscribes, and - first and foremost - cold hard cash.

MOO
this is a very salient point.

I guess just as we have murderers walking and living among us, capable of some really heinous crimes, we must also acknowledge that we have people willing to try and profit off of the tragedies of others. It may not be illegal, ethical, or moral depending on one’s personal perspectives and belief system, but it seems to be another disappointing but still very much a part of our human existence

and that’s not something we can just change, I don’t think at least JMO
 
  • #191
this is a very salient point.

I guess just as we have murderers walking and living among us, capable of some really heinous crimes, we must also acknowledge that we have people willing to try and profit off of the tragedies of others. It may not be illegal, ethical, or moral depending on one’s personal perspectives and belief system, but it seems to be another disappointing but still very much a part of our human existence

and that’s not something we can just change, I don’t think at least JMO
We can't change others. All we can do is try to be on the lookout for such behaviour in ourselves. With an interest in crime, it's very easy to make choices that we can rationalise away as not being harmful. Cumulatively, hundreds or thousands making the same rationalisation is how we end up with things like this. I'm sure that most people who paid for a cup of coffee to these youtubers aren't sociopaths, but assured themself that their few dollars 'didn't matter' in the grand scheme of things. It's the same rationalisation that causes damage to stone monuments thousands of years old like Stonehenge. People want to touch it. It's not allowed, because being touched does damage to the stone. Infinitesimally small, but still damage. But every single visitor of the THOUSANDS who visit each year who transgresses that rule thinks, 'it's just me, it doesn't matter'. Whether we're talking true crime, fast fashion, littering, recycling, WHATEVER... we have to not only consider that we're doing it... but that there are countless others out there deciding their action doesn't count either.

So, make your action count. You could unfollow these people, or refuse to give them the view or the click. Unsubscribe. Boycott social media folks who by their actions show they are profiteering. Read people's reviews of books or documentaries to try to judge if they're hurting survivors or exploiting victims before giving them your money. And remember, whatever your interest, a crime is a tragedy in the lives of a bunch of people. For them it isn't a gripping story or a mystery to be puzzled out, it's their life, it's their loved one.

Here, it's an eleven year old who should be in his mid teens by now. Maybe he'd still be playing Zelda and Mario and Sonic, all the newest releases, or maybe he'd be super excited by the release last week of Diablo IV. But we will never know, and neither will his family. They'll never know how he would have grown and changed.

Of course, your choices are all up to you, and that's as it should be, and everything above is just my own opinion, and how I try to live my life. I don't always get it right, nobody does, but I do try my best to do the least harm.

MOO
 
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  • #192

The Behavior Panel analyzing LS’ interview at EPCSO two days after Gannon was reported missing.

* The Behavior Panel is WS approved

She's got notes AND photos? I'm flabbergasted
 
  • #193
Beyond shameful!
 
  • #194
That girl and anybody else who is putting those photos out there as a sort of pay per view need a slap tbh.

I understand that the true crime community is eternally growing, but these YouTubers are simply in it for the clicks and have zero respect for the victims and their families.

I aren't explaining what I mean very well as I'm not very well at the moment and my heads all fuzzy, but nowadays the TC community (especially on YouTube, which I tend to avoid as much as possible) seems to be so much less about the education that can be learnt from cases in order to learn preventional measures. Like it's all less about what can be learnt and basically kids and wannabe influencers who haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
Blah I'll come back when I can explain in an actual semi intelligent way, but Jesus wept this has made me mad but unfortunately hasn't surprised me in the least

I'm really disappointed to read what's since happened to Gannon and his memory since the jurors convicted LS. And it brings me no pleasure to say I told you so (here, in 2018). :mad:

For example, would the cited YT'ers posting the content about Gannon have taken action required under Senate Bill 18-223 if they'd been required to petition a district court for access “on the grounds that disclosure … constitutes a significant public benefit.”

In other words, to be clear, this was no leak of information and the YT'er is posting what was evidence seen in the walls of the courtroom.

But more important, I further hope this (national) outrage can be channeled to the Colorado Governor's office and State legislators who in 2018 made this possible. IMO, Just another day in politics and a big win for lobbyists and the Media Consortium who successfully pushed that public access to children's full autopsy reports/photos overrules the lifetime pain of the victims.

It's fair to ask, 'What kind of sicko wants to read [and see] a child's autopsy?'


Senate Bill 18-223 was widely supported in the legislature – only two representatives and one senator voted against the final version. But three journalist associations and the Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition persuaded the governor’s office that the measure was overly broad and would have made it difficult for news organizations to examine Colorado’s child welfare system and report on suspicious or otherwise controversial child deaths....

SB 18-223 would have flipped the legal burden to the records requester, requiring news organizations and others seeking disclosure of an autopsy report on someone under 18 to petition a district court for access “on the grounds that disclosure … constitutes a significant public benefit.” Without a court order, the reports would have been confidential and available only to certain parties specified in the legislation....

Gardner, in a written statement, said he was “disappointed” to learn of the veto. He introduced the bill, he wrote, “at the request of all of Colorado’s elected coroners to prevent grieving families who have lost a minor child from being exposed to further trauma.


 
  • #195
It’s been a while since this trial ended but I still keep wondering why LS did this.
The standard view seems to be she’d unintentionally injured little G & so killed him to cover it up.
This does make more sense than anything else…. but then what on earth was all that mess with him supposedly injuring himself with one household item after another?? Her ridic stories were hard to follow but AFAIK he supposedly cut himself with a boxcutter, hit his head on a bike ride, set himself on fire with a candle…. all while suffering from GI problems bad enough that he couldn’t consider going to school the next day. Huh???

What was going on here? Was this crazy monster actually just trying one method after another to kill this innocent child??! It’s hard not to consider that…. but if she actually did plan & intend to kill him, why would she not have gotten it done well before time was up & his little sister was due home etc?
It’s just so crazy
MOO
While we’ll never truly know what happened, I do believe we, for the most part, have the why:

1. Hatred and jealousy of Gannons mother
2. Losing control of her marriage and Al
3. Her resentment of having to look after the kids, especially Gannon
4. Gannons deep love for his mother

I think she was routinely hard on him when Al wasn’t around, but on that evening, things went wrong. Gannon bled in the basement, he wanted his mom and he would probably tell his parents what she’d done. He was upset. Distraught. I don’t think she had a plan. Her brain was going yada yada yada and she didn’t know what to do next but she needed to do what she always needed to do, control the narrative.

I think the bizarre pattern of injuries and their escalation is the clearest indicator of how her evil, disturbed brain works. The final frenzy was exactly that, a frenzy.

Enjoy your complete lack of control now, Letecia. Rot away, it’s everything you deserve.
 
  • #196
Just saw that Patreon completely removed ZG's page. That's a step in the right direction.
 
  • #197

7/12/23

Patreon also confirmed to DailyMail.com that they had taken the decision to remove the account belonging to Zav Girl.

In a statement, they said: 'We removed 'Zav Girl' from Patreon for violating our Community Guidelines against violent and graphic content.

'To create a safe environment for users, Patreon does not allow content glorifying or promoting violence that is graphic, gratuitous, sadistic, or glorifies real-world suffering.'
 
  • #198
I'm really disappointed to read what's since happened to Gannon and his memory since the jurors convicted LS. And it brings me no pleasure to say I told you so (here, in 2018). :mad:

For example, would the cited YT'ers posting the content about Gannon have taken action required under Senate Bill 18-223 if they'd been required to petition a district court for access “on the grounds that disclosure … constitutes a significant public benefit.”

In other words, to be clear, this was no leak of information and the YT'er is posting what was evidence seen in the walls of the courtroom.

But more important, I further hope this (national) outrage can be channeled to the Colorado Governor's office and State legislators who in 2018 made this possible. IMO, Just another day in politics and a big win for lobbyists and the Media Consortium who successfully pushed that public access to children's full autopsy reports/photos overrules the lifetime pain of the victims.

It's fair to ask, 'What kind of sicko wants to read [and see] a child's autopsy?'


Senate Bill 18-223 was widely supported in the legislature – only two representatives and one senator voted against the final version. But three journalist associations and the Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition persuaded the governor’s office that the measure was overly broad and would have made it difficult for news organizations to examine Colorado’s child welfare system and report on suspicious or otherwise controversial child deaths....

SB 18-223 would have flipped the legal burden to the records requester, requiring news organizations and others seeking disclosure of an autopsy report on someone under 18 to petition a district court for access “on the grounds that disclosure … constitutes a significant public benefit.” Without a court order, the reports would have been confidential and available only to certain parties specified in the legislation....

Gardner, in a written statement, said he was “disappointed” to learn of the veto. He introduced the bill, he wrote, “at the request of all of Colorado’s elected coroners to prevent grieving families who have lost a minor child from being exposed to further trauma.


According the interview with DA Allen, the photos were acquired from Florida since that’s where the autopsy was performed.
 
  • #199
According the interview with DA Allen, the photos were acquired from Florida since that’s where the autopsy was performed.
Presumably, the dark side of the sunshine laws. :(

MOO
 
  • #200
Thank you for sharing that. I like to think I follow a few decent and respectful true crime channels, but I am going to double check them all.

I think of Gannon and his family every single day. I never want to remember him the way we saw him in those photos. This is the sweet boy who bought me to WS.

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Same here !!
But it does anger me that this is happening for monetary benefits.
Especially after some other news station gets banned from here.

Doesnt make sense to me, but I'm just here for justice for these precious angels.
 

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