CO - James Holmes Trial - *Closing Arguments* *Verdict Watch*

[MissHaley]

I'll go with guilty across the board............no insanity defense allowed.

He's not insane........he's just demented and angry. View attachment 78264

Hi Steelman! Nice to see you here! I remember you from arias trial!

 

[Whiteorchids]

But he will get what he wanted...to be kept away from others..I say the worst for him would be to release him to general population..and make him suffer if it's LWOP...

Mass/Serial murders often meet their demise by fellow inmates..usually wanting Notoriety themselves...So IF no DP..I say make him deal and survive with others..LOL..You know PEOPLE!!!!!!

I know that is what most of us want. The prison systems have to keep inmates safe as much as we would want him in GP it won't happen. This is high profile. The jail inmates already yell baby killer to him.

The state prison does not want to be sued by JH family or relatives if they were to put him in GP. It is the duty of the prison to keep them safe as much as they would like to throw him in GP too.

If he ends up getting LWOP it was stupid DA didn't accept plea deal to begin with. Would have saved taxpayers tons of money and JH wouldn't have gotten all this television media coverage.

 

[zoey]

I tried to read that notebook when it was posted on line. It was hard to make sense of a lot of it, but now after testimony more of it makes sense -- demented, twisted, and freaky.

I think he's clearly mentally ill, but at the same time he clearly knew full well what he was doing was wrong both legally and morally and wasn't delusional or hearing voices or anything like that. So Guilty, "1st degree", all the way, Guilty, "extreme indifference", all the way.

Where this will get hard, I think is in the penalty and mitigation phases, where his mental illness will play into the consideration of punishment. Myself I'd prefer LWOP: get him treatment, get him mentally healthy so he fully appreciates the horror of what he did, and lives with that.

Also, LWOP comes with fewer automatic appeals, and there's going to be a bunch of appeals.

Like your thinking---I've always been with LWOP only because DP never gets carried out and always/generally ends up LWOP

 

[Nore]

I agree with all on what the verdict will be. I want it to be DEATH so bad!! He is not insane..

 

[shiloh42]

I know that is what most of us want. The prison systems have to keep inmates safe as much as we would want him in GP it won't happen. This is high profile. The jail inmates already yell baby killer to him.

The state prison does not want to be sued by JH family or relatives if they were to put him in GP. It is the duty of the prison to keep them safe as much as they would like to throw him in GP too.

If he ends up getting LWOP it was stupid DA didn't accept plea deal to begin with. Would have saved taxpayers tons of money and JH wouldn't have gotten all this television media coverage.

DA is in a tough position: if he accepts the plea, he's vilified for 'making a deal' and 'getting the killer off'; but if the trial costs millions of dollars, he's vilified for not taking the plea. It's a no-win. And since the DA is an elected position, well, that's going to play into the decision too. People vote their hearts (he prosecutes them!) not their heads (but he spent a lot of money unnecessarily).

 

[zoey]

41 Action News ‏@41ActionNews · 43s44 seconds ago
The Colorado #theatershooting verdict comes 5:15pm. Those who lost their lives... MORE http://www.thedenverchannel.com/aurora-movie-theater-shooting …

WWL-TV ‏@WWLTV · 2m2 minutes ago
The jury has reached a verdict. It will be announced at 5:15pm CST: http://on.wwltv.com/1HBs002 #Aurora #theatershooti

Scott Cohn ‏@ScottCohnTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Here are samples of the 659 pages of verdict forms to be read less than an hour from now in #theatershooting trial: https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...s/12CR1522/011/2015-07-15 Sample Verdicts.pdf …


 Dove Valley, CO
Inadvisable to do a purse-snatching in parking lot at #theatershooting trial. #highsecurityzone

 

[Whiteorchids]

I tried to read that notebook when it was posted on line. It was hard to make sense of a lot of it, but now after testimony more of it makes sense -- demented, twisted, and freaky.

I think he's clearly mentally ill, but at the same time he clearly knew full well what he was doing was wrong both legally and morally and wasn't delusional or hearing voices or anything like that. So Guilty, "1st degree", all the way, Guilty, "extreme indifference", all the way.

Where this will get hard, I think is in the penalty and mitigation phases, where his mental illness will play into the consideration of punishment. Myself I'd prefer LWOP: get him treatment, get him mentally healthy so he fully appreciates the horror of what he did, and lives with that.

Also, LWOP comes with fewer automatic appeals, and there's going to be a bunch of appeals.

Unfortunately, he still believes the human capital thing and mental illness is a progressive disease it only gets worse with age. There is no drug to change how his MI makes him think. So he won't ever feel remorseful when in his mind he did the right thing.

They should have just accepted plea deal in the first place but then we wouldn't have gotten to watch the trial. Lol

 

[zoey]

The Denver Post ‏@denverpost · 35s35 seconds ago
Remembering the victims of the Aurora #theatershooting as a verdict is awaited http://dpo.st/trialvictims

 

[Whiteorchids]

DA is in a tough position: if he accepts the plea, he's vilified for 'making a deal' and 'getting the killer off'; but if the trial costs millions of dollars, he's vilified for not taking the plea. It's a no-win. And since the DA is an elected position, well, that's going to play into the decision too. People vote their hearts (he prosecutes them!) not their heads (but he spent a lot of money unnecessarily).

Very true. Even with the same outcome.

 

[Maisiebelle]

659 pages of verdict forms?!!


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[LyndyLoo]

I know that is what most of us want. The prison systems have to keep inmates safe as much as we would want him in GP it won't happen. This is high profile. The jail inmates already yell baby killer to him.

The state prison does not want to be sued by JH family or relatives if they were to put him in GP. It is the duty of the prison to keep them safe as much as they would like to throw him in GP too.

If he ends up getting LWOP it was stupid DA didn't accept plea deal to begin with. Would have saved taxpayers tons of money and JH wouldn't have gotten all this television media coverage.

I know..You are correct..BUT JH lived among other's since he was young..He was quite capable to conforming..but stated in interviews he always felt uncomfortable ( not fearful) just uncomfortable ALL NOT taking medications...Just maybe he might be able to "BOND" with those similar to himself???

I'm of a split mind on this..balancing safety always!!

 

[zoey]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 3m3 minutes ago
LIVE STREAMS for #theatershooting VERDICT http://www.courtchatter.com/#!schedule/mainPage … It will air at 4:15 MDT.

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 6m6 minutes ago
As we wait on verdict in the #theatershooting trial, let’s take a moment to remember the victims http://www.thegoldpatrol.com/victims.html

Marc Stewart KMGH ‏@MarcKMGH · 4m4 minutes ago
About to head into courtroom for #TheaterShooting #verdict. @DenverChannel

Mark Meredith ‏@markpmeredith · 3m3 minutes ago
The media is setup in 3 spots at the #theatershooting courthouse. We expect some survivors / families to talk aster

7NEWS Denver Channel ‏@DenverChannel · 1m1 minute ago
As we await the verdict, remember the victims and survivors of the #theatershooting. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-reached-a-decision-in-trial-of-james-holmes …

7NEWS Denver Channel ‏@DenverChannel · 2m2 minutes ago

7NEWS Denver Channel retweeted Marc Stewart KMGH
Follow the #theatershooting reading of the verdict LIVE here: http://bit.ly/1M8pCTX

 

[LyndyLoo]

bordesa ‏@bordesa1 2m2 minutes ago
@KinseyFox10 Come on you guys, EDUCATE YOURSELVES on FBI #NoNotoriety policy. Your splashing shooter's photo is OFFENSIVE. #Theatershooting

I agree 100% with above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Pleeeze No more pics of that evil man ( coward/manipulator)..TYIA :gaah:

 

[orchids]

Yes all birds come home to roost as have I.
I have worked on 24hr locked psych units for 10 plus years as the rec. specialist and being a part of the treatment team I experienced a lot of psych. disorders in action and the treatment provided. By my standard of treatment James Holmes was ill served by the incompetent Dr. Fenton! It was her failure to address his persistent homicidal ideology. The supervising Psychiatrist of my unit has never and I suppose would never prescribe Zoloft to a suspected Schizophrenic patient with psychotic features, that drug is known to exacerbate the symptoms especially if withdrawn or the patient is non compliant. Dr?Fenton could have forced him into treatment by asking a few pointed questions, for example " Do you mind if I verify that you have no firearms?" if the patient refuses the psychiatrist has more reason to suspect that the patient is lying and may be a threat to others or themselves. She failed him and she bears responsibility.

 

[MissHaley]

OK, Friends- it's winding down. 30 min. & counting...

 

[Whiteorchids]

Now verdict being read closer to 4:30 judge wants to take 15min to go over them.

 

[shiloh42]

Yes, isn't that just *nuts*??!!

 

[shiloh42]

Now verdict being read closer to 4:30 judge wants to take 15min to go over them.

aaarrrrrggggggggggggggggggggg :jail:

 

[zoey]

John Aguilar ‏@abuvthefold · 2m2 minutes ago  Dove Valley, CO
27 TV cameras out here -- and that's just on front lines. More back at the sat trucks #theatershooting

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 3m3 minutes ago
With about 30 minutes before verdict, a reminder that #theatershooting victims' profiles at http://dpo.st/trialvictims

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 3m3 minutes ago
New information coming out... #theatershooting verdict may start closer to 4:30 MDT/ 6:30 EDT. Stay tuned. http://www.courtchatter.com/#!james-holmes-trial-stream-1/cmus … b bm

 

[Maisiebelle]

Now verdict being read closer to 4:30 judge wants to take 15min to go over them.

Does this mean the judge reads them to himself first?


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