CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #14

[LyndyLoo]

Yes I understand what you are saying. It just confuses me how JH was saying he heard voices in Nov 2012 yet two years later he said he had never heard voices.

I do believe he has been told or learned how to act this way. It seems awfully convenient that he has this big episode after being perfectly average in jail beforehand.


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He didn't talk about them because he and his defence are trying to show ..SEE..He was psychotic and is NOW stabilized on medications..so doesn't have them any more defence. The only problem with this is their whole defence is what happened in November that proves he was in the midst of Psychotic break when shot up the theatre....BUT since Dr. Woodcock's testimony ( the one who saw him shortly after arrest) got torn to shreds...and actually shown to be biased, and structured by defence team ( Def. Bishop in room during interview with Dr. Woodcock)...kind of pulls the rug out from under all this post Nov 12, 2012 incident....

I also think the jury has caught onto that..too :moo:

 

[zoey]

Defense Attorney Tamara Brady: "The stress of jail, the stress of being charged with murder, the stress of facing the death penalty could have made [the gunman] psychotic, right?"
Dr. Lowdermilk: "Correct." anica.padilla
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[zoey]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Now we are getting into prior history with JH's mental state #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

 

[Maisiebelle]

I just hope the jury are realising how desperate the defence are with these witnesses. There isn't any sign that JH was psychotic in July.


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[zoey]

Defense Attorney Tamara Brady: 'Do you believe Mr. Holmes was psychotic when you saw him?"
Dr. Lowdermilk: "Yes." anica.padilla
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Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 2m2 minutes ago
Lowdermilk believes that JH was psychotic when she saw him. #TheaterShooting

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Elizabeth says if she saw all the evidence she would possibly say the presence of psychosis was there prior to seeing her #TheaterShooting

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Anica Padilla ‏@AnicaPadilla · 2m2 minutes ago
Defense Attorney Tamara Brady: 'Do you believe [the gunman] was psychotic when you saw him?"
Dr. Lowdermilk: "Yes."
#TheaterShooting

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
State asks Elizabeth if she'd take into account two Dr's declared JH sane at time of crime? Sidebar #TheaterTrial #TheaterShooting

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"You can be psychotic and still plan," psychiatrist Dr. Lowdermilk testified. anica.padilla

 

[Maisiebelle]

Ms Spengler doesn't seem to be getting a turn lately. She hasn't been up since the prosecution rested.


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[zoey]

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 52s52 seconds ago
Denver Health psychiatrist Elizabeth Lowdermilk on #theatershooting stand. Holmes told her he was hearing voices during Nov. 18, 2012 visit

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 45s45 seconds ago
Elizabeth says this sane issue is a legal one and he could have had all these symptoms prior to shooting #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

Anica Padilla ‏@AnicaPadilla · 2m2 minutes ago
"You can be psychotic and still plan," psychiatrist Dr. Lowdermilk testified.
#TheaterShooting

 

[MsJosie]

What does everyone think of this doctor?

 

[zoey]

What does everyone think of this doctor?

I like her a bit more than some of the others that have been before us....I'm curious about Dr. Grrrr (sp?)--and the other Dr.....

 

[Maisiebelle]

What does everyone think of this doctor?

I think she is being careful what she says.


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[Maisiebelle]

Does every witness for the defence get paid? Even the jail staff and police?


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[zoey]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
Elizabeth admits she wasn't given the prior history information and she only saw him for 3 days #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 4m4 minutes ago
In #theatershooting DA cross, Lowdermilk says delirium resolved during Holmes' Nov. 2012 stay. Said it could have come from not eating

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Did you have to get permission to give JH meds? Who?

A: No

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Can person being properly treated have psych break?

A: Yes

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 35s36 seconds ago
JQ- can a person that's being treated have a psychotic break? Yes #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Family history of mental illness. Would change your opinion ?
A: No


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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Jury: Added stress of crime cause break?

A: Yes

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JQ- with family history of mental illness would that change your opinion? No #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

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The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Follow up by defense:

Would family history of mental illness help your diagnosis?

A: It strengthens it.

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JQ- with JH committing this crime bring on a psychotic break? Yes it could #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

 

[zoey]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Elizabeth says JH's symptoms could be there but a stressor could trigger the psychotic break #TheaterShooting #TheaterTrial

 

[zoey]

Does every witness for the defence get paid? Even the jail staff and police?


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don't know about jail staff or police (could ask neighbor)

 

[MissHaley]

He didn't talk about them because he and his defence are trying to show ..SEE..He was psychotic and is NOW stabilized on medications..so doesn't have them any more defence. The only problem with this is their whole defence is what happened in November that proves he was in the midst of Psychotic break when shot up the theatre....BUT since Dr. Woodcock's testimony ( the one who saw him shortly after arrest) got torn to shreds...and actually shown to be biased, and structured by defence team ( Def. Bishop in room during interview with Dr. Woodcock)...kind of pulls the rug out from under all this post Nov 12, 2012 incident....

I also think the jury has caught onto that..too :moo:

yes, that's it exactly- BBM
I can't see how they are going to prove a break in Nov. (if indeed it was real), proves he was psychotic on 7/20. That's quite a stretch to get the jury to believe or understand. It really doesn't & by putting their docs on to opine that it was, is just an opinion, not proof. And when prosecution crosses, they discredit the witness. IMO, the defense really doesn't have anything else, so they just keep beating the dead horse. Sorry horse.

 

[Maisiebelle]

So the defence are saying that JH was in this prodromal state in the run up to July 2012? Then he had a psychotic break, did the shooting then reverted back to 'normal' until November when he has another break?


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[LyndyLoo]

Well, it seem's JH had prodromal symptoms since he was very young..so no one actually was able to see his psychosis underneath...However..here's the definition ~~

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prodromal

prodrome pro·drome (prō'drōm') n. pl. pro·dromes or pro·dro·ma·ta (-drō'mə-t&#601 An early symptom indicating the onset of an attack or a disease.

 

[cujenn81]

Def. making such a big deal about him walking with or without assistance, 3 feet to the gurney! Must've said it over 10 times! Focusing too much on something that has no bearing on July 20th. tsk, IMO

To me, this point hurts them more than it helps. If he was supposedly catatonic, not responsive, and unable to be moved off the floor 15 minutes ago, how is he all of a sudden able to walk to gurney without assistance? To me... it implies that he was consciously being unresponsive and simply acting catatonic. His attorneys appear to be MORONS.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I really really hope this jury is sensible and they see what the RELEVANT facts are! The defence are dancing around in other directions and trying to muddy the waters.


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[LyndyLoo]

So the defence are saying that JH was in this prodromal state in the run up to July 2012? Then he had a psychotic break, did the shooting then reverted back to 'normal' until November when he has another break?


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This is what the defence is trying to suggest..But their initial witness Dr. Woodcock kind of tipped the scale on them. as was Dr. Holland.

Patient's cannot control this..it's not like an off and on switch..however..JH had an education and ability to research all this stuff too. and It appears he started his setup for crazy person defence once he decided to collect value points....Hummm wonder what site he got that idea from? :thinking: