CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 4

[Queen Bee]

Christopher Rigopulos: "The evidence that we collected at the scene was identifying the different type of components that the bomber used to create the IED" in OKC

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[Queen Bee]

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 1m 1 minute ago

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Judge - you can talk about what assisted with your expertise but not about the details.

 

[Queen Bee]

Christopher Rigopulos was also an investigator of 2013 pressure cooker bomb in Athens Greece

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observation on tweet thread: So we have 3 pre-jury objections and 4 since they've entered.

 

[Queen Bee]

Special Agent Christopher Rigopulos, FBI is accepted as an expert on explosives and hazardous devices

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[Queen Bee]

Special Agent Christopher Rigopulos, FBI: Saw the components of the traps at the scene, took samples and collected them as evidence.

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[Queen Bee]

Special Agent Christopher Rigopulos, FBI: "The apartment did contain incendiary devices"

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[Queen Bee]

Special Agent Christopher Rigopulos, FBI: "We were there as consultants to the bomb technicians on the scene as they were formulating their plan to render safe the problem at hand"

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[Chelly]

Just checking in to say Good Morning all.

I'm multi-tasking and need to catch up on this am's testimony but hope to be here most of day.
HUGS and thanks to queenie for posting tweets. Whatever would we do without you?

 

[Queen Bee]

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 2m 2 minutes ago

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Witness responded to JH apartment. Saw items inside/removed from JH apartment at the scene. Took samples as evidence


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3m 3 minutes ago

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He is based out of a lab in Virginia.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 37s 38 seconds ago

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Witness watched the render safe operations.

 

[Queen Bee]

Special Agent Christopher Rigopulos, FBI: "the bomb technicians were going through different stages of dis-assembly of this device." He requested the crews bring back samples to collect as evidence before anything was destroyed for safety reasons

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Marshall Zelinger
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"Render Safe" operation of #TheaterShooting apartment bombs took 10.5 hours on July 21, 2012, per FBI bomb tech.

 

[atthelake]

There's definitely temporary insanity. If he was supposed to be on meds and didn't take them or was prescribed any at all and needed them.


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He stated iirc not too long before on a social networking site... paraphrasing... Would you come visit me in jail.

Ummmm, so following the above post to question it, when does his temporary (or 3 months = temporary?) insanity, by the LEGAL definition of not knowing right from wrong, come into play? I'm not following the logic of the above post.

TIA

 

[Queen Bee]

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3m 3 minutes ago

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They try to NOT have the devices go off & collect evidence. Render safe procedures took 10+ hours.


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Collected evidence while render safe procedures going on. Bomb techs would disassemble device and bring down samples
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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3m 3 minutes ago

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Chemicals/powders sent down for sample collection. Some things had to be destroyed but he wanted samples taken before

 

[Queen Bee]

The Gold Patrol™
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Photos taken of items form inside/outside. Pros will show witness photos and we will see them shortly.

Defense objects to several of the photographs as cumulative, as the prosecution tries to get the photos of bomb evidence admitted

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[Queen Bee]

defense has objected to some pics.........sorting it out :waiting:

eta......judge has counsel approach.........brb.........

 

[MissHaley]

If I was a juror, I would start resenting the defense for not wanting me to see evidence. I know attys have to follow rules & that's about all they can do here is to object to pros. evidence-but, I don't know, I guess I couldn't be impartial because I would have to wonder why defense didn't want me to see evidence.

 

[corundogs]

He stated iirc not too long before on a social networking site... paraphrasing... Would you come visit me in jail.

Ummmm, so following the above post to question it, when does his temporary (or 3 months = temporary?) insanity, by the LEGAL definition of not knowing right from wrong, come into play? I'm not following the logic of the above post.

TIA

Yeah I was curious about that post too.

Wouldn't his "Will you visit me in jail?" line, along with many other things in this case, prove he knew what he was going to do is wrong? And isn't that what legal insanity is about? That he/she is so out of their mind, that their delusions or alternate personalities, had no idea that what they had done was wrong in the eyes of the law??

 

[corundogs]

If I was a juror, I would start resenting the defense for not wanting me to see evidence. I know attys have to follow rules & that's about all they can do here is to object to pros. evidence-but, I don't know, I guess I couldn't be impartial because I would have to wonder why defense didn't want me to see evidence.

I agree. It would make me wonder!!

At the same time, if you have shown me the cooler in 25 different pictures and I have put my hands on that cooler (through passing of that evidence), why do I need to see it again in a different crime scene tech's photos? I might start to be inundated, and the photos might not have the impact they should.

All that to say...I could NEVER EVER be a juror! I am so proud of those that serve jury duty and can say without a doubt they can be impartial and be willing to hear both sides of the argument. I know in my head that I couldn't do that!

 

[atthelake]

Yeah I was curious about that post too.

Wouldn't his "Will you visit me in jail?" line, along with many other things in this case, prove he knew what he was going to do is wrong? And isn't that what legal insanity is about? That he/she is so out of their mind, that their delusions or alternate personalities, had no idea that what they had done was wrong in the eyes of the law??

Yep, that is my question re the above post.

 

[MissHaley]

He stated iirc not too long before on a social networking site... paraphrasing... Would you come visit me in jail.

Ummmm, so following the above post to question it, when does his temporary (or 3 months = temporary?) insanity, by the LEGAL definition of not knowing right from wrong, come into play? I'm not following the logic of the above post.

TIA

Actually, I heard some blog talk shows this weekend (Dan Zapansky) talking about insanity defense in other cases. I believe the insanity is determined "at the time of the actual act, killing". Ex. was the shooter would have believed he was holding a banana, not a gun, when they killed. The shooter would have believed "at the time" the theater was full of monsters/demons that he had to kill.