CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 7
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Do we know if his parents are in the courtroom? I know his mom got sent out a while back for passing a note to the DT, but has anyone heard if she is back? Or his dad?
I think they are--could be wrong but I think they learned
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:seeya: Doing housework putting up shelves and my feed went down and I can't get back to where I left off. Who is Goober? And what was significance of testimony that just happened.
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:doh: I'll also swim upstream....
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I tweeted someone in the courtroom and they are in court every day so far.
teach you a lesson of being a worker---lol
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Hey,
I have no desire to be verified. I practiced for 17 years , am retired. Our countries notions about insanity, in 2015, are from a acquittal in 1843. Those are the standards still used in 2015 in AMerica. Much has been learned about mental illiness in the last, if I can do the math, in the last 172 years. For decades , lay citiaens notions of mental illiness, meant one had to be outside talking to Venus about Pluto.
Much has been learned. For years our society kept the folks suffering the most in horrible conditions:
MId 70's America decided that these people are not bad people - they are sick folks.
Does the 172 year old McNaughton rule, in 2015. in a civilized society, have much merit - IMO none. I worked with many very sick folks, who, at times , not be talking to the clouds. There is a continum here- kind of like a flue, fever rises, subsdies. Lay folks like to beleive that one is either talking to manholes, and street signs.
That is not how severe psycopatholy manifests. It, like most other illiness, has ebbs and flows, worse, and less intense.
This 172 year old notion, did he know it was wrong, of course he did - that in and of itself does not eradicate his desire to do kill as many as possible, becasue his neurotranmitters are not firing correctly.
Sleep walkers who kill are determined to be sleep walkers who kill. He is , and has been, since birth, a very ill individual. I had many folks, who when their cycle subsided could display insight into how wrong what had occurred "was".
Their behaviors, at times, (this was a person who got into a tremendous grad program with 5 others). There is not correlation between brillance and neurotransmitter problems. None.
He is sick, very, genious, like Einsteen, he needs to be placed, for the rest of his life, in a psyc setting.
172 year old notion of "insanity", needs revision:
M'Naghten fired a pistol at the back of Peel's secretary, Edward Drummond, who died five days later. The House of Lords asked a panel of judges, presided over by Sir Nicolas Conyngham Tindal, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, a series of hypothetical questions about the defence of insanity. The principles expounded by this panel have come to be known as the M'Naghten Rules, though they have gained any status only by usage in the common law and M'Naghten himself would have been found guilty if they had been applied at his trial.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The rules so formulated as M'Naghten's Case 1843 10 C & F 200[SUP][4][/SUP] have been a standard test for criminal liability in relation to mentally disordered defendants in common law jurisdictions ever since, with some minor adjustments. When the tests set out by the Rules are satisfied, the accused may be adjudged "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but insane" and the sentence may be a mandatory or discretionary (but usually indeterminate) period of treatment in a secure hospital facility, or otherwise at the discretion of the court (depending on the country and the offence charged) instead of a punitive disposal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_rules
I have no desire to be verified. I practiced for 17 years , am retired. Our countries notions about insanity, in 2015, are from a acquittal in 1843. Those are the standards still used in 2015 in AMerica. Much has been learned about mental illiness in the last, if I can do the math, in the last 172 years. For decades , lay citiaens notions of mental illiness, meant one had to be outside talking to Venus about Pluto.
Much has been learned. For years our society kept the folks suffering the most in horrible conditions:
MId 70's America decided that these people are not bad people - they are sick folks.
Does the 172 year old McNaughton rule, in 2015. in a civilized society, have much merit - IMO none. I worked with many very sick folks, who, at times , not be talking to the clouds. There is a continum here- kind of like a flue, fever rises, subsdies. Lay folks like to beleive that one is either talking to manholes, and street signs.
That is not how severe psycopatholy manifests. It, like most other illiness, has ebbs and flows, worse, and less intense.
This 172 year old notion, did he know it was wrong, of course he did - that in and of itself does not eradicate his desire to do kill as many as possible, becasue his neurotranmitters are not firing correctly.
Sleep walkers who kill are determined to be sleep walkers who kill. He is , and has been, since birth, a very ill individual. I had many folks, who when their cycle subsided could display insight into how wrong what had occurred "was".
Their behaviors, at times, (this was a person who got into a tremendous grad program with 5 others). There is not correlation between brillance and neurotransmitter problems. None.
He is sick, very, genious, like Einsteen, he needs to be placed, for the rest of his life, in a psyc setting.
172 year old notion of "insanity", needs revision:
M'Naghten fired a pistol at the back of Peel's secretary, Edward Drummond, who died five days later. The House of Lords asked a panel of judges, presided over by Sir Nicolas Conyngham Tindal, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, a series of hypothetical questions about the defence of insanity. The principles expounded by this panel have come to be known as the M'Naghten Rules, though they have gained any status only by usage in the common law and M'Naghten himself would have been found guilty if they had been applied at his trial.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The rules so formulated as M'Naghten's Case 1843 10 C & F 200[SUP][4][/SUP] have been a standard test for criminal liability in relation to mentally disordered defendants in common law jurisdictions ever since, with some minor adjustments. When the tests set out by the Rules are satisfied, the accused may be adjudged "not guilty by reason of insanity" or "guilty but insane" and the sentence may be a mandatory or discretionary (but usually indeterminate) period of treatment in a secure hospital facility, or otherwise at the discretion of the court (depending on the country and the offence charged) instead of a punitive disposal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_rules
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Goober is JH's mother.
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Wow. More planning of crime evidence IMO.
It appears that he was scouting out the place and exit doors. Since he sent these pictures before the crime then he created his own evidence against him of planning the crime.
The defense may try to say those were just regular pictures he took and they dont mean anything but that would be tough to believe if it involved the exit doors.
The jury will ask themselves if that would be a normal type picture that someone would take.
IMO, this guys careful planning and preparation of this mass murder is what is going to help convict him.
doesn't look good IMO
Marshall Zelinger ‏@7Marshall · 56s57 seconds ago
Dr. William Reid taking the stand, meaning video interview of the defendant is about to be played...for the next 4-5 days. #TheaterShooting
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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 44s45 seconds ago
#theatershooting
Witness is finished. Up next is William Reid, psychiatrist. Here goes a LONG time on the stand for this man.
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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 51s52 seconds ago
Dr. William Reid takes stand. #TheaterShooting video of Holmes' mental health evaluation to roll soon. Watch live: http://link.kdvr.com/1J4JTcT
Dr. William Reid taking the stand, meaning video interview of the defendant is about to be played...for the next 4-5 days. #TheaterShooting
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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 44s45 seconds ago
#theatershooting
Witness is finished. Up next is William Reid, psychiatrist. Here goes a LONG time on the stand for this man.
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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 51s52 seconds ago
Dr. William Reid takes stand. #TheaterShooting video of Holmes' mental health evaluation to roll soon. Watch live: http://link.kdvr.com/1J4JTcT
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