CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase* #4 - LWOP

[ahotch2]

Or a successful appeal. It happens all the time. New trial ordered....out on bond....
Or, lib gov of Colorado decides to pardon....Jimmy has a lot of tricks up his sleeves. No doubt about it

You actually believe they would let him out on bond???


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[Whiteorchids]

Do you really think this would happen?


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No, he will never be on the streets again period. Courts aren't that stupid to jeopardize the safety of the citizens. Even if he was sentenced to a hospital he never would be on the streets again.

 

[gitana1]

Or a successful appeal. It happens all the time. New trial ordered....out on bond....
Or, lib gov of Colorado decides to pardon....Jimmy has a lot of tricks up his sleeves. No doubt about it

No. It doesn't happen all the time. Appeals are quite hard to win statistically. And there must be reversible error in order to win an appeal. But this trial was run very well and Holmes was given his day in court. What theory could he possibly win on?

Also, there is no way in hell this guy would ever be let out on bond. That's silly.

 

[Maisiebelle]

ABC7 iss replaying the verdict reading and you can see those couple in the gallery closest to the camera stand up and turn their backs to the court before the first verdict is read, I don't believe it had anything to do with the verdicts.

I believe they are police officers.


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[turaj]

What a huge waste of taxpayers money!!

Just get rid of the dp...this could have been finished so long ago. I am stunned that they came back so fast in the other phases including mitigators and 6.5 hours on this phase...some had minds made up going into this phase....defense are going to take this as a victory.

 

[MissHaley]

Exactly....he's a really good actor. And, smart. He knew just how to act, what to say, etc. Otherwise, his attorneys would have immediately claimed insanity. They didn't until his plea deal for LWOP was turned down and the state went for the DP. THEN they claimed insanity!

I hope these victims faces haunt whomever decided this monster deserved pity....gag

Yep! He pulled it off & smiling with his attorneys! Have a wonderful life mass murderer!
We will remember the 12 that have NO LIFE because of you & the ones whose lives will never be the same!

 

[Whiteorchids]

No one is doing an appeal of this case pro bono. I guarantee it. Also, Holmes offered to plea for LWOP. Remember that. He has no real motivation to appeal now. He'd never win and he knows it.

I know. I thought it was stupid they didn't accept it. This trial cost millions. What a big waste of money. I'm sure they asked the victims and families and they said no. Go for DP.

 

[Dogface]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, and I'm not sure why it bothers me so much, maybe because I'm close to my parents, but he can freaking hug them! He can have girlfriends! Poor little Veronica never got a first kiss, a date, a chance at college...I'm sickened. I'm going to go watch a movie with my LO, I just can't even right now.

 

[Maisiebelle]

If they use it for that awesome but I would like proof.

He's saying that the $5 million that the trial cost would have been better spent on mental health care.


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[Whiteorchids]

Yep! He pulled it off & smiling with his attorneys! Have a wonderful life mass murderer!
We will remember the 12 that have NO LIFE because of you & the ones whose lives will never be the same!

He didn't even have to speak an apology and still won.

 

[KaaBoom]

I wonder why they didn't let the judge know they were having problems reaching unanimity, usually the judge will send them back to continue to deliberate like SS in JA trial. They only deliberated six hours unless they knew they had a stealth juror.

If someone is against giving him the death penalty, it's highly unlikely that forcing them to deliberate longer would change their mind.

Being anti-death penalty myself, if I was a juror, the judge could keep me there the rest of my life, but it wouldn't change my decision.

 

[Whiteorchids]

He's saying that the $5 million that the trial cost would have been better spent on mental health care.


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They never spend money to house the mentally ill. That's why they are always walking the streets. No where to go. Two mentally ill theater shooters in the last two weeks. Politicians spend money on everything else but mental health. That's why it makes me so sad for the MI here in America. Jails and prisons full of the mentally ill.

 

[turaj]

I am surprised he did not admonish them. It is the court who is speaking. The jury made their decision -- they might not agree, but they should not be disrespectful to 12+ people who stopped their lives to serve in this jury to the best of their ability.

Why would they do that? I mean really. Very disrespectful.

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

If this murderer of a dozen innocent people, including a child - whose mother he caused to have a miscarriage, and crippled, so there is no chance she will have another child - doesn't deserve the death penalty, who does? If this is what a jury - a smart jury - decides, after all of the evidence decides, what purpose does
DP serve?
I'm not pro- DP, but if JH didn't deserve it, it shouldn't be an option, there is rarely a more deserving candidate, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

If someone is against giving him the death penalty, it's highly unlikely that forcing them to deliberate longer would change their mind.

Being anti-death penalty myself, if I was a juror, the judge could keep me there the rest of my life, but it wouldn't change my decision.

They shouldn't have been on the jury if they were set against death penalty, since this is a death penalty case.

 

[Whiteorchids]

If someone is against giving him the death penalty, it's highly unlikely that forcing them to deliberate longer would change their mind.

Being anti-death penalty myself, if I was a juror, the judge could keep me there the rest of my life, but it wouldn't change my decision.

They shouldn't have been on the jury then.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Veronica's grandfather speaking on Denver 7 live - he wishes it was DP

 

[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: None of the jurors wants to talk to reporters today, @rwmccallum tells The Denver Post. #theatershooting


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[LyndyLoo]

I thought you said numerous times you were against the death penalty. You sure don't sound that way here.


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Actually I live in Canada and we haven't had Dp for over 50+ years..and now I'm 66 I have never even had to deal with such cases..So I guess it doesn't enter my mind..

However..I have to respect alternative Countries who DO have and their rationale for it..so that why I support those in "That Space" who believe in it..because I have to say..IF Not THIS "case" when would it ever be an acceptable??

As I said..the difference for J. mean's he gets a lot of privileges he would never have received with DP..and likelihood of actual execution really remote given loss of access to lethal injection..So for the jury It no doubt could have been a symbolic statement and makes sure he is NOT going to get all the perks LWP and LWOP get in comparison...

I am a now retired HC provider..believe in mercy and understanding..BUT DP in their neck of the woods mean's their STATE still has such a law reserved for the "Worst of the Worst" on the books...So I support cybewise for what that means.

 

[ahotch2]

Why would they do that? I mean really. Very disrespectful.

They're human and their loved ones were slaughtered.


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