CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase*

[atthelake]

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/aurora-theater-trial/2015/07/22/newsweek-theater-trial-juror-tweet/30530891/

Newsweek banned from theater trial after publishing juror's name

 

[MissHaley]

NOPE..They only have to prove! ONE (1) aggravator..It was repeated over and over again during all 17 directives from the Judge...

All they are actually doing is that mass murderer committed at least 1 of the five aggravators..No need to be for ALL of them....

Next phase will allow def. to try and mitigate~~ala create sympathy thru parents..and continually drive home he has MI ( even tho not insane) ..then use the 5th grade teacher as some sort of possibility that he had merit BACK IN THE DAY ( age 11-12)....

In short~~ humanize..seek sympathy etc..

I think my post was misunderstood.
What I meant was - if they know they only have to agree that one is proven-what do you thing the problem that the jury has? that they need to see tapes? debating if they're proven? The first aggravator is proven, what is hanging them up?

 

[Maisiebelle]

This is from the managing editor of News Week:

@KiraBind: We deserved that ban, shaming, and Daily Beast confusion. Big fat unfortunate mistakes were made & we regret them. #TheaterTrial




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[shiloh42]

A picture of the sun above the clouds with the words "Rise Above"? Why not throw some unicorns in there too! My goodness!


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..and rainbows and puppies

 

[LyndyLoo]

Okay folks..doubt their verdict will come into tonight..regardless of 20 minute lead time..They will review those video's and maybe mid morning come up with that portion...then progress to defence trying to mitigate ( SEEK SYMPATHY)..I'm sorry but after watching those video's and what closing said in phase 1..are they going to be moved on that sympathetic thing..However..It will come down to just how many juror's can decide DP..

Actually..He will be automatically LWOP regardless..SO IF this jury wants to put him into DP line of fire..so be it..Actual fruition of suggested outcome is moot really.....also want to mention..these folks (Killer) will get all meds and counselling and whatever help needed..so either way..I don't care.....

I say the above..because there is actually no such thing as LWOP up here in Canada..Deaths ( even multiple guilty verdicts) always end up in a parole hearings after 25 years ( bugs me too)..Even that Pig Farmer who killed so many..gets the same treatment.. While none of them may ever end out of prison..It's the system that allows for and forces victim families to engage..THAT bothers me!!

Anyone else wonder why so many felon's try and flee to Canada after committing atrocities?? because they will only get returned to USA IF DP is taken off table.....Just a little history I thought I would share!!

 

[LyndyLoo]

I think my post was misunderstood.
What I meant was - if they know they only have to agree that one is proven-what do you thing the problem that the jury has? that they need to see tapes? debating if they're proven? The first aggravator is proven, what is hanging them up?

It's the killing of a child under the age of 12..since she actually has a separate conviction (x2) so is forced to find in her case separately and his knowledge there were children there prior to him even leaving..then return and offing all he could....This explains why they are reviewing the demographics of just who was there in the theatre and when...

I must say..This jury is leaving nothing to chance for appeal..They are reviewing ( even tho many will recall) but want on the record what they are reviewing!! That's to say it.. This jury is far and above defence's appellate rationale!!

 

[Maisiebelle]

The jury sent a note into court earlier while they were waiting to hear if they can have the DVD player. It said they will deliberate between 8:30-4:30. It just so happened to be 4:30 so off they went home.


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[zoey]

This is from the managing editor of News Week:

@KiraBind: We deserved that ban, shaming, and Daily Beast confusion. Big fat unfortunate mistakes were made & we regret them. #TheaterTrial




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Sound sincere

 

[Maisiebelle]

..and rainbows and puppies

And kittens! Must have kittens! In little hats..... Dancing!


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[borndem]

Juror 747 said it was an anonymous tweet sent to him ( his name) with Newsweek article ..Will find out more when Judge and lawyers re-enter the court at 430 eastern..

I found one article in a recent Newsweek having to do with gun control, etc., that did mention the JH case, but it did not refer to anyone other than JH. It also mentioned Adam Lanza and other horrible events.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Sound sincere

What else can they say..BUT for crying out loud..When you utilize reporters who supposedly are under YOUR guidance..go ahead and post crap..THEY are responsible!! Sure they regret and are ashamed...That reporter is GONE..and any fines coming will be split..because authority of Newsweek SHOULD HAVE HAD total clearing house to allow it..but obviously didn't..then reporter did it!! Shame on their system of reporting and authorization to post under their headings..Thus bears at least 50%..

ETA~~ thinking about it..I think this juror 747 should sue them himself..putting him at risk and exposing his name and could be targeted for phishing and hacking due to their asinine stupid act by what this asinine reporter did> Newsweek as co-defendent!!

Actually this incident will cause many courts down the road to ban them..give an at least 60-12 month banning to any court proceedings..Will cost them in followers ( thus ad exposures + validations)...it will go to BOTTOMLINE!! TOO bad so sad!! Bet they sue this reporter for their losses..LOL It's called capitalism...Haa has

 

[LyndyLoo]

I found one article in a recent Newsweek having to do with gun control, etc., that did mention the JH case, but it did not refer to anyone other than JH. It also mentioned Adam Lanza and other horrible events.

Newsweek have been on notice since Friday..SO no one will ever find anything there today..BUT unfortunately tweets were not deleted..NO doubt have been now!! Damage was done as soon as this juror received it..but what was worse..they actually were able to locate it today!! Yikes..that like 4-5 days out there!! SMH

We all know there are some very bad folks out there who could do a lot of damages to individuals ( especially high profile ones) to hack and possibility steal personal informations...

Is it any wonder folks don't want their information out there??

 

[borndem]

Newsweek banned from being on the court house premises for rest of theater shooting trial

Anica Padilla 2:47 PM, Jul 22, 2015

4 hours ago

CENTENNIAL, Colo. - On Wednesday, the judge in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial banned Newsweek from the courthouse premises for the rest of the proceedings.

The national news outlet tweeted the jury foreman's name last week.
The defense team was able to pull up and print the tweet Wednesday morning.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com//ne...s-for-rest-of-trial?audiencePageId=1200771019

 

[MsJosie]

So the reporter who gave out the Juror Foremans name...her name is not out there that I can see. Has anyone seen her name or has it been erased and 'protected' by Newsweek? Yes, I think the Juror should look into legal proceedings on his own after the trial.

How many WS think that the three defense witnesses will still testify tomorrow or at a later date now there has been a delay due to the objections by the defense over slides/power point, that took a lot of time. The defense should not promise the witnesses certain dates to testify, especially when they like to find ways to delay. Trials can be very 'date/ time changeable'.

I was glad to see the State object to the defense slides....the State has been very nice to the defense as far as objections. The defense throws anything on the wall to see if it sticks.

 

[colette]

So the reporter who gave out the Juror Foremans name...her name is not out there that I can see. Has anyone seen her name or has it been erased and 'protected' by Newsweek? Yes, I think the Juror should look into legal proceedings on his own after the trial.

The foreperson is a male. He is the one who was at Columbine. He is Juror 737. The stuff on Newsweek was taken down. I guess they had his Facebook and Linkin stuff in the article. Supposedly he likes Jim Tebow, so people were speculating that he would be against the death penalty. The girl, Rachel Scott was very religious that he took to the prom. Here is something from ABC:

Juror 737 was close to Columbine High School shooters Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris until 8th grade, when their relationship faded. But he ended up taking a girl named Rachel Scott to prom their senior year. Just a week later, Scott was gunned down by Klebold and Harris on the school sidewalk.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/meet-james-holmes-trial-jurors/story?id=30596586

 

[Whiteorchids]

Okay folks..doubt their verdict will come into tonight..regardless of 20 minute lead time..They will review those video's and maybe mid morning come up with that portion...then progress to defence trying to mitigate ( SEEK SYMPATHY)..I'm sorry but after watching those video's and what closing said in phase 1..are they going to be moved on that sympathetic thing..However..It will come down to just how many juror's can decide DP..

Actually..He will be automatically LWOP regardless..SO IF this jury wants to put him into DP line of fire..so be it..Actual fruition of suggested outcome is moot really.....also want to mention..these folks (Killer) will get all meds and counselling and whatever help needed..so either way..I don't care.....

I say the above..because there is actually no such thing as LWOP up here in Canada..Deaths ( even multiple guilty verdicts) always end up in a parole hearings after 25 years ( bugs me too)..Even that Pig Farmer who killed so many..gets the same treatment.. While none of them may ever end out of prison..It's the system that allows for and forces victim families to engage..THAT bothers me!!

Anyone else wonder why so many felon's try and flee to Canada after committing atrocities?? because they will only get returned to USA IF DP is taken off table.....Just a little history I thought I would share!!

I agree. Colorado has only executed one after 1967 it was in 1997. DA might as well accepted his guilty plea bargain LWOP. He's never going to be executed. His mental illness (not insanity) will be reason for sentence to be overturned at appeal which will be many until it is overturned.

 

[borndem]

So the reporter who gave out the Juror Foremans name...her name is not out there that I can see. Has anyone seen her name or has it been erased and 'protected' by Newsweek? Yes, I think the Juror should look into legal proceedings on his own after the trial.

How many WS think that the three defense witnesses will still testify tomorrow or at a later date now there has been a delay due to the objections by the defense over slides/power point, that took a lot of time. The defense should not promise the witnesses certain dates to testify, especially when they like to find ways to delay. Trials can be very 'date/ time changeable'.

I was glad to see the State object to the defense slides....the State has been very nice to the defense as far as objections. The defense throws anything on the wall to see if it sticks.

Yes, the State has been very kind to the defense. It does look like the State is about to run out of patience, however.

Let me state the obvious: I don't like at all the way the defense team operates. They exasperate the good judge and they really bend whatever they can bend. I wonder if they all get along with each other... They don't seem all that well-tuned, but maybe that was their plan. Enuff.

 

[MsJosie]

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I agree. Colorado has only executed one after 1967 it was in 1997. DA might as well accepted his guilty plea bargain LWOP. He's never going to be executed. His mental illness (not insanity) will be reason for sentence to be overturned at appeal which will be many until it is overturned.

Does anyone remember reading in the news, the reason the State did not go for the pleas deal of LWOP and had to go for the sanity trial and death penalty, was because the defense would not agree to releasing information that now has come out in trial? The defense did not want anything released about their client at all? Just for the State to accept the LWOP.

I remember reading the story but I cannot find it. The article did explain the States reason for the DP...defense wants it their way only. If anyone find the article please post the link. I cannot even tell you what year this would have been written...but I would guess in the beginning.

Thanks.

 

[MissHaley]

Yes, that is correct that the defense would not release additional info to the state.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-guilty-plea-offer-rejected-aurora-movie/story?id=18839143
From the article-
"While the defense suggested that the defendant be allowed to plead guilty on his terms, the prosecution indicated that it could not even consider such an offer without specific additional information, which the defense refused to provide," prosecutors wrote in their response Thursday, according to ABC News' Denver affiliate KMGH. "

Not mentioned in this article, but I thought I read in another that the state wanted info concerning his medical records- which would make sense. If jh was truly 'gone with the wind' they might not pursue the DP, but w/o more info, they had every right to go forward. IMO

 

[zoey]

7NEWS Denver Channel ‏@DenverChannel · 3m3 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting prosecutors hope to move to next phase of sentencing - jurors continue deliberations this morning. http://bit.ly/1LxbwfX