CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[katydid23]

And here we go with the character assassination of both the victim and the victims parents. Didn't take long at all.
Brutal

How is it character assassination? These are her own words?

I find it interesting that some here are quick to assume the cops were brutal killers, but if it is proven, that the driver of the stolen car, was behaving very irresponsibly, and KNOWINGLY flirting with death, then that is character assassination.

If your child is 17, has been out of jail for one day, and she is out the next night stealing a car, driving on suspended, and running from the cops, then YES, I have something to say about their parenting. Because mom is quick to blame the police and say they were cold blooded killers, yet Mom had zero control over her own kid. The police should not have been in this position. JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

We sleuth criminals here. Not victims.

IMO those officers are the victims.
Jessica was the criminal.

 

[katydid23]

There is no evidence that the teen that was shot intentionally aimed a moving vehicle at the officer that was hit.

Then how did the vehicle end up hitting the officer?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Then how did the vehicle end up hitting the officer?

The big bad officer jumped in front of the nice little girl who accidentally stole a car.

Ridiculous.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

And we wonder why our kids are out of control.
They do no wrong.
They are always the victim.
They are not expected to listen to authority.
They are not expected to do the right things.
Heck, they are not even expected to be decent humans.

 

[katydid23]

How is it character assassination? These are her own words?

I find it interesting that some here are quick to assume the cops were brutal killers, but if it is proven, that the driver of the stolen car, was behaving very irresponsibly, and KNOWINGLY flirting with death, then that is character assassination.

If your child is 17, has been out of jail for one day, and she is out the next night stealing a car, driving on suspended, and running from the cops, then YES, I have something to say about their parenting. Because mom is quick to blame the police and say they were cold blooded killers, yet Mom had zero control over her own kid. The police should not have been in this position. JMO

I also think that the term 'victim' is being used rather loosely here. She made a lot of very WRONG choices before she ended up being shot at. This was not just one bad choice and cops shot her. This was a long road of PURPOSEFUL actions on her part. She even says on her TL that she will mess things up until she dies. And she says she will likely be shot cops for the %^$& she does.

 

[Yoda]

And here we go with the character assassination of both the victim and the victims parents. Didn't take long at all.
Brutal

JMO How is this character assassination? They are the deceased's own words. The deceased was also a criminal. As posted up thread with links, her friend admitted the deceased stole cars, her mom admitted she stole cars. Until the investigation proves otherwise, the officer is the victim.

 

[nrdsb4]

And here we go with the character assassination of both the victim and the victims parents. Didn't take long at all.
Brutal

She is not a victim in the traditional sense that is referred to when Websleuths forbids criticizing victims in its TOS.

She was killed during the commission of a crime. She was a criminal, even her mother admitted this. It may turn out the LE used excessive force against her, but that is likely more due to inaccurate risk assessment on the part of the officer rather than willful murder of an innocent "victim."

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Victim???
GMAB

I can promise you, I have followed hundreds of cases for many years. You will NEVER see me blame or bash a victim or their family.

This girl is only a victim of her own actions. She was a hardened criminal at 17 years of age. She was shot by a cop as she was trying to run him down with a stolen car.
She is not a victim.

Just to add to this...

I have had a lot of "Mini vacations" from WS because I was too passionate in my defense of victims and their families.
I for one can not stand to see a victim bashed or blamed. Can't stand it.

So being accused of doing that blows my mind.

Jessica Hernandez is not the victim here. No way.

 

[katydid23]

And here we go with the character assassination of both the victim and the victims parents. Didn't take long at all.
Brutal

This accusation is a tactic used by the Ferguson protesters as well. When a CRIMINAL is shot by the cops, they assassinate the cops good character, but if anyone questions the criminals past, they are accused of character assassination. Pointing out that MB robbed the min--mart was considered character assassination. Pointing out that Vonderritt had pix of himself holding illegal guns=character assassination.

Here we have a mom saying her daughter was killed by cops and that they should be charged for murder. I think it is totally appropriate to look at the 'victims' social media to see what her state of mind was at the time she was shot. That does not count as character assassination, imo. It is an assessment of her situation at the time she was confronted by the cops. And it shows clearly that she was defiant and ready to escalate if necessary.

 

[al66pine]

...this shooting was justified or criminal.... this quote that the mother "blames" the cops for criminal wrong doing.
"Now we are going to start to mobilize because I don't want the death of my daughter to go without punishment," said Rosales in Spanish.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/01/28/jessie-hernandez-shooting-criminal-record/22496651/
You don't want someone "punished" if you don't blame them for what happened.

bbm sbm

^bbm. On hearing the word 'mobilize,' purportedly said by mother in Spanish and translated into English for MSM, reported Jan 28,
I wondered who her legal counsel was, 2 days after shooting.
And since then, we've seen the usual PR templates w Jessica's name and info filled in and blasted to MSM.

Wonder what, if anything, Jessica told mother about alleged traffic offenses and resisting arrest.
Did mother think Jessica violated laws, drove too fast, drove on suspended or revoked license?
Resisted arrest in such a way as to pose a threat to safety of LE & others?
Or did mother think Jessica did no wrong?
Curious if mother went to any hearings or judicial proceedings re Jessica's traffic offenses.

Is Denver or CommerceCity traffic offense & R-Arrest info searchable online? Anyone?

Hoping some good can result - if, when stopped, drivers not threaten death or serious physical injury to LE. Or any phys. contact, etc.
To comply w LE's reasonable requests - registration, license, no sudden moves, hands on wheel, get out of car, whatever,etc.
And not try to drive away or otherwise flee.
See, it was not so hard, was it?
JM2cts.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

bbm sbm

^bbm. On hearing the word 'mobilize,' purportedly said by mother in Spanish and translated into English for MSM, reported Jan 28,
I wondered who her legal counsel was, 2 days after shooting.
And since then, we've seen the usual PR templates w Jessica's name and info filled in and blasted to MSM.

Wonder what, if anything, Jessica told mother about alleged traffic offenses and resisting arrest.
Did mother think Jessica violated laws, drove too fast, drove on suspended or revoked license?
Resisted arrest in such a way as to pose a threat to safety of LE & others?
Or did mother think Jessica did no wrong?
Curious if mother went to any hearings or judicial proceedings re Jessica's traffic offenses.

Is Denver or CommerceCity traffic offense & R-Arrest info searchable online? Anyone?

Hoping some good can result - if, when stopped, drivers not threaten death or serious physical injury to LE. Or any phys. contact, etc.
To comply w LE's reasonable requests - registration, license, no sudden moves, hands on wheel, get out of car, whatever,etc.
And not try to drive away or otherwise flee.
See, it was not so hard, was it?
JM2cts.

After reading her tweets, I got a better understanding of her relationship with her mom. I got the impression Mom had a very hard time telling Jessica no.
She was even referred to as sort of just one of the friends.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Bomb squad called on suspicious DPD package addressed to officers in recent shooting

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kage-addressed-to-officers-in-recent-shooting

DENVER - Denver Police briefly evacuated the District 2 substation Saturday morning after a suspicious package was received addressed to the two officers in a controversial shooting.

 

[Tssiemer]

Oh jeeze.


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[Kimberlyd125]

Bomb Squad Scours Police Station While Meeting Is Held Over Shootings

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/01/...ce-station-while-meeting-held-over-shootings/

 

[BeginnersLuck]

And here we go with the character assassination of both the victim and the victims parents. Didn't take long at all.
Brutal

You have got to be kidding me! Nice way to try and turn around, people engaging in criminal behavior becoming victims of their own actions. It doesn't fly with me. The victim was the owner of the stolen vehicle and any other crimes that may have been committed during that time period. I guess you could say the others in the car were victims as well, because they will be scarred forever due to her actions.

The worse thing we can do for society, is to attempt to point the finger away from what transpired in the beginning and led to the end of this crime spree.

These things have to be addressed from the origin if people want answers to what they are seeking. Passing blame at the end will accomplish nothing.

 

[al66pine]

3 diff MSM articles (no links) named 3 diff offenses re Jessica - driving while suspended, driving while revoked, driving under restraint.
I was not familiar w DUR and found this re DUR, which covers DWS & DWR.
If it was DUR, anyone know if it was alcohol/drug related or non? Is her arrest info searchable online? thx in adv.
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"Driving Under Restraint is one of the easiest cases for the prosecution to prove.
Driving Under Restraint is broken out into two separate charges; alcohol/drug related and not alcohol/drug related.

"...Driving Under Restraint (not alcohol/drug related) are:

1. That you were driving a motor vehicle upon any highway or public roadway in Colorado on the date you were charged;
2. With knowledge that your license or privilege to drive, as a resident or non-resident, was restrained (suspended, revoked or denied);
3. Your license or privilege to drive was under restraint for any reason."
   

Potential Penalty for 1st offense: five days to six months jail and a fine of $50 to $500.

"...Driving Under Restraint (alcohol/drug related) are:

1. That you were driving a motor vehicle upon any highway or public roadway in Colorado on the date you were charged;
2. With knowledge that your license or privilege to drive, as a resident or non-resident, was restrained (suspended, revoked or denied);
3. Your license or privilege to drive was restrained under 42-2-126 or was restrained solely or partially because of a conviction of an alcohol/drug related driving offense under 42-4-1301."

Potential penalty for 1st offense: fine from $500 to $1,000, or 30 days to one year, or both a fine and imprisonment.
The minimum 30 day jail sentence is mandatory and may not be suspended. Not eligible for driver’s for an additional year.

^ from http://www.orrlaw.com/aop/traffic-offenses/statutes/driving-under-restraint-42-2-138/#sthash.ihhsxg3K.dpuf

 

[Opie]

Re: bomb sent to PD in Denver - sitting on hands here to avoid a timeout on WS.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Bomb Squad Scours Police Station While Meeting Is Held Over Shootings

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/01/...ce-station-while-meeting-held-over-shootings/

I just have to say, that I grow more and more disgusted at the media when I watch the video and see where they snip out segments. Journalism has gone down the toilet.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I just have to say, that I grow more and more disgusted at the media when I watch the video and see where they snip out segments. Journalism has gone down the toilet.

I agree.
It's crazy.