CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[Kimberlyd125]

Who said they were guilty? Didn't they have loud music on? There can be innocent reasons for why they did not get out of the car. That is not a reason to start killing them. JMO.

No, but a car moving towards an officer of the law is a reason to defend themselves.

She either tried to run him over or tried to flee and injured him. Either way, her actions threatened his safety, her safety, the passengers' safety... HER actions.

 

[sherlockh]

Can you elaborate on what part of the "story" doesn't add up?
Just so we are clear, a car going 20 mph can kill you if it runs over you.
It seems the officer was in a small space. Didn't one witness say he was pinned?
So, I'm not sure what the speed would have to do with it.
How do you know the evidence is not there? Because we haven't seen it?
How do you know the death threatening situation was long gone by the time the car reached the police man?

I've see nobody "vilify a dead girl".

What I have seen is people pointing out her own words, her own pictures, and her own actions.

Perhaps she would be here had she made better choices in life.

JMO

The part where the police claims a speeding vehicle put them in a death threatening situation. The question should be where is the evidence. Not the evidence might be there so lets just go ahead and judge. You can easily get away from a slow moving vehicle. That is not a death threatening situation. That the officer got pinned must be his own mistake because he was too busy shooting and didn't notice the fence or wall. Sadly, I see plenty of people vilifying the dead girl. Not based on evidence, but just because she was bad bad bad and therefore deserved to be executed. JMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The part where the police claims a speeding vehicle put them in a death threatening situation. The question should be where is the evidence. Not the evidence might be there so lets just go ahead and judge. You can easily get away from a slow moving vehicle. That is not a death threatening situation. That the officer got pinned must be his own mistake because he was too busy shooting and didn't notice the fence or wall. Sadly, I see plenty of people vilifying the dead girl. Not based on evidence, but just because she was bad bad bad and therefore deserved to be executed. JMO.

Do you have a link regarding the speeding vehicle part?
I don't remember seeing that. But I may have missed it.

And I disagree that you can easily get away from "slow" moving vehicle. If he was in a tight space, like the pictures show.

20-30 mph is fast considering the space.

I have not seen a speed given.

"That the officer got pinned must be his own mistake because he was too busy shooting and didn't notice the fence or wall." Huh???? GMAB

Can you give examples of plenty of people vilifying the dead girl?
Or that ANYONE here thinks she should be executed simply because she was "bad bad bad"?

Those are some pretty stiff accusations. Surely you can provide examples to back them up.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If we were discussing a case about a man kidnapping and raping a girl, and we found FB and twitter posts that show he discussed kidnapping and raping before, would we ignore it???

I'm not sure why pointing out Jessica's own words are considered vilifying her. Did she vilify herself? They are her words.

We have simply discussed what SHE said.

How is that vilifying her?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I've looked over the first few links on the thread, I can't find anything in the "story" about speed.

Anybody remember seeing that?

 

[al66pine]

.... http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...panic-teen-spurs-calls-for-changes-in-denver/
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sbm

Thanks, Kimberlyd125, for the above link, but puzzled about this:
"Community leaders and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper are calling for changes in police procedures
after the recent shooting death of teenager Jessica Hernandez by Denver police officers." bbm

Governor calling for procedural changes before the initial investigation is concluded?
Trying to make it sound as though LE P&P is/was wrong, like LEOs violated P&P? Seems premature, imo. Vote pandering, anyone??
JM2cts.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Everything I find just says the driver drove towards the officer. Nothing about speed.

Still looking.

ETA: here's what Police Chief Robert White said.... Nothing about speed. And we have not heard from the cops themselves....

"At some point, the original officer that responded to the scene, the vehicle started driving toward him, which pretty much had him between a car and a brick wall and a fence," White said in an interview with The Denver Post. "Out of fear for his safety, he fired several shots and the other officer also fired several shots."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27412773/denver-police-id-officers-fatal-shooting-unarmed-teen

So, I don't think we can say that "a car speeding towards the cop" is a part of the story that doesn't add up. As far as I can find, it's not even a part of the cops' "story".

 

[sherlockh]

Do you have a link regarding the speeding vehicle part?
I don't remember seeing that. But I may have missed it.

And I disagree that you can easily get away from "slow" moving vehicle. If he was in a tight space, like the pictures show.

20-30 mph is fast considering the space.

I have not seen a speed given.

"That the officer got pinned must be his own mistake because he was too busy shooting and didn't notice the fence or wall." Huh???? GMAB

Can you give examples of plenty of people vilifying the dead girl?
Or that ANYONE here thinks she should be executed simply because she was "bad bad bad"?

Those are some pretty stiff accusations. Surely you can provide examples to back them up.

NO, I am not going to explain this whole thread. It is rather obvious. No evidence but plenty of stories about her being bad and plenty of judgements. Funny you keep asking me for evidence. Just list the evidence that justifies the police shootings. Thanks.

 

[al66pine]

....http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...o-forum-calls-special-prosecutor-fatal-jessie
Hernandez, the oldest of six children, was a student at New America School-Thornton. ...

bbm sbm

School's website = http://colorado.newamericaschool.org/about/
Any one familiar enough w school ratings to find a website w info about it?
Is this a school w a lot of kids in juvie system? Or a 'second chance' type school?
Thx in adv.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

NO, I am not going to explain this whole thread. It is rather obvious. No evidence but plenty of stories about her being bad and plenty of judgements. Funny you keep asking me for evidence. Just list the evidence that justifies the police shootings. Thanks.

I am not the one that said the cops' story didn't add up because they said the car was speeding towards them.

I just spent my time trying to find the information. I thought I missed it.

I really don't need anybody to explain the whole thread. I've got it.

Are they stories if they are her words?

It is my opinion it was justified by what I have read and seen. I don't have to have evidence to form an opinion.

But we shouldn't just make statements saying cops said something in their "story" and not provide a link.

JMO

 

[sherlockh]

I am not the one that said the cops' story didn't add up because they said the car was speeding towards them.

I just spent my time trying to find the information. I thought I missed it.

I really don't need anybody to explain the whole thread. I've got it.

Are they stories if they are her words?

It is my opinion it was justified by what I have read and seen. I don't have to have evidence to form an opinion.

But we shouldn't just make statements saying cops said something in their "story" and not provide a link.

JMO

Sorry for confusing by using the word 'speeding'. I meant a high enough speed to put them in a death threatening situation. Yes, there is no evidence of the speed. No evidence of the death threatening siuation. No evidence if the police actions were justified. Glad we agree

 

[sherlockh]

I have seen lots of arguments here showing how Jessica was a criminal. How her friends were criminals for not complying. I have seen attacks against her parents for.. "Bad parenting"?

What I haven't seen yet is evidence that this was a justified shooting. My opinion is that it very well could have been. But as of now, we just don't know. IMO

Basically my opinion as well

 

[BeginnersLuck]

bbm sbm

School's website = http://colorado.newamericaschool.org/about/
Any one familiar enough w school ratings to find a website w info about it?
Is this a school w a lot of kids in juvie system? Or a 'second chance' type school?
Thx in adv.

http://colorado.newamericaschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/08-13-13-NAS-Fact-Sheet.pdf

 

[Kimberlyd125]

bbm sbm

School's website = http://colorado.newamericaschool.org/about/
Any one familiar enough w school ratings to find a website w info about it?
Is this a school w a lot of kids in juvie system? Or a 'second chance' type school?
Thx in adv.

I'm trying to figure it out.
Mostly they say they are for new immigrants and those who don't speak English well. I would think that makes sense since her parents seem to speak Spanish as their main language. But Jessica seemed to write English in her posts pretty well. Although at times the slang was think. But that is any teen I guess.
Then they have testimonials of young people who refer to being able to stay out of trouble. Like an alternative school.

I'm not sure.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Sorry for confusing by using the word 'speeding'. I meant a high enough speed to put them in a death threatening situation. Yes, there is no evidence of the speed. No evidence of the death threatening siuation. No evidence if the police actions were justified. Glad we agree

Any speed is high enough speed to put them in a death threatening situation if he was cornered or in a tight space.

A vehicle can kill you at any speed if it hits you.

We don't agree on much.

 

[al66pine]

Per earlier post, Originally Posted by sherlockh "The part where the police claims a speeding vehicle put them in a death threatening situation. The question should be where is the evidence...." bbm sbm

Is confusion here - sherlockh? or anyone? - about whenJessica drove 'speeding vehicle'? Jan 1 Jessica was arrested for speeding, and more.
Link for 'police claims a speeding vehicle' in alley that morning?
IIRC, MSM has not stated that LE claims there was a speeding vehicle in the alley that morning, so respectfully asking for link pls

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Everything I find just says the driver drove towards the officer. Nothing about speed....
ETA: here's what Police Chief Robert White said.... Nothing about speed. And we have not heard from the cops themselves....
"At some point, the original officer that responded to the scene, the vehicle started driving toward him, which pretty much had him between a car and a brick wall and a fence," White said in an interview with The Denver Post. "Out of fear for his safety, he fired several shots and the other officer also fired several shots."http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27412773/denver-police-id-officers-fatal-shooting-unarmed-teen

.... "a car speeding towards the cop" .... As far as I can find, it's not even a part of the cops' "story".[/QUOTE]


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[Kimberlyd125]

I'm sure the information from the stop 3 weeks prior to her death will be looked at during the investigation. IMO It will show a lot about how Jessica responded when approached by LE. I'm curious to know what she did that was considered resisting arrest in a way that risked serious injury to a state trooper.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

http://colorado.newamericaschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/08-13-13-NAS-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Thx for link, looks like lots of at-risk students w many challenges & obstacles.

 

[katydid23]

I have seen lots of arguments here showing how Jessica was a criminal. How her friends were criminals for not complying. I have seen attacks against her parents for.. "Bad parenting"?

What I haven't seen yet is evidence that this was a justified shooting. My opinion is that it very well could have been. But as of now, we just don't know. IMO

Her mother put herself in the line of fire, for claiming the cops murdered her child, and setting up to sue the city for millions, when it is obvious that the mother had NO CONTROL over her child. The kid had been released from jail for one day, and then Mom lets her go out all night with her friends. The teen steals another car, driving on a suspended license , and stays out all night with the other daughter and friends. So YES, given Mom's very public accusations, laying blame with the city, I have no problem laying some blame at home. Both of her teen girls were in and out of jail and sitting in that stolen car, refusing to comply.

I am sick of these situations, where minors are committing felonies, and confronting cops, and then the parents sue the city for millions when their kids pay the ultimate price.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think she thought she had nothing to lose OR felt really desperate by stealing a car and trying to flee or run down a cop. She was already in a world of trouble. So when she thought she was getting caught in that stolen car, IMO she had a "fight or flight" response.

Because looking at her tweet from 1/25/15 (She died on the morning of the 26th), she basically says she hopes she doesn't get 2 years.
I think she's referring to an upcoming court date on the charges she got during the traffic stop/resisting arrest on the 1st.

JMO