CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[katydid23]

All the use of deadly force by police by police these days is making my head spin.

Right now is just a tough time to be a cop. Acts of violence against them, national media scrutiny when using force. That's a tough gig.

It seems eye witness and police reports are contradicting each other here. However, in the case that the teen driver hit the officer or started to drive towards him and THEN he fired...totally justifiable.

Not so much if he simply fired numerous times at the vehicle and it lost control, hitting him.

I'm interested to see how this plays out.

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BBM

I am not sure if that scenario is even possible. Here is why. The teen witness said that the cop that was hit, was trapped between the car and a fence.

So IF a cop shot the driver, and she then ran into the cop, I think she would have had to already be aiming the car towards the cop before she was shot.

I think that was why she was shot in the first place. The cops were most likely screaming STOP THE CAR, as it was heading towards the cop and the fence.

I don't see any way that the car was facing in a totally different direction, and then after being shot, the driver turned and went towards the cop. :no:

 

[CoolJ]

When they are parked in an alley in the middle of the night, and the cops roll up, and ask them to 'exit the vehicle'---why wouldn't they do so if they thought they were in a friends legal car?

Not sure their reasoning why they wouldn't get out but I can think of numerous reasons why they would choose not to other than knowing it was stolen. I am just curious what the law says about being a passenger in a stolen car.

 

[MyBelle]

Is it illegal to be a passenger in a stolen car? I would think it would have to be proven that the passengers were aware it was a stolen car. JMO

We don't know that they were just passengers. They may have stolen it together.

 

[Yoda]

Just wondering- the witness says both officers came from behind the vehicle to the side of the car and started shooting. According to the same witness one of the officers was pinned between the car and the fence. How did the officer get from the side of the car shooting to in front of the car pinned?

 

[CoolJ]

BBM

I am not sure if that scenario is even possible. Here is why. The teen witness said that the cop that was hit, was trapped between the car and a fence.

So IF a cop shot the driver, and she then ran into the cop, I think she would have had to already be aiming the car towards the cop before she was shot.

I think that was why she was shot in the first place. The cops were most likely screaming STOP THE CAR, as it was heading towards the cop and the fence.

I don't see any way that the car was facing in a totally different direction, and then after being shot, the driver turned and went towards the cop. :no:

Isn't it possible though, that after she was shot, the car veered off to the side? Sometimes when I am driving(especially on city roads) and let go of steering wheel, the car veers right or left. Depending on slope, angle, and quality of the road, not to mention alignment and quality of tires.

Not enough information for me to decide if this was a justified shooting or not. But IMO, just another example that adds to the case for all LE and LE vehicles to be equipped with cams. In the year 2015, it shouldn't even be a topic of discussion anymore IMO, cameras are almost everywhere.

 

[MyBelle]

Just wondering- the witness says both officers came from behind the vehicle to the side of the car and started shooting. According to the same witness one of the officers was pinned between the car and the fence. How did the officer get from the side of the car shooting to in front of the car pinned?

Magic, perhaps?

 

[Zuri]

The link above is working fine for me. I don't know if it works for everyone. ?

It worked for me and the anonymous witness said what you quoted first and then contradicted herself. The piece was edited/spliced so who knows. I hope MSM is not going to incite another riotous period. Enough is enough.

 

[katydid23]

Just wondering- the witness says both officers came from behind the vehicle to the side of the car and started shooting. According to the same witness one of the officers was pinned between the car and the fence. How did the officer get from the side of the car shooting to in front of the car pinned?

I have wondered the same thing. If I put the pieces together, it seems to me that there was one officer in between the car and the fence, and at least one other officer, on the side of the car, yelling for the driver to STOP. And the shots were likely fired in an attempt to prevent the car from running over the officer in front of the car. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Isn't it possible though, that after she was shot, the car veered off to the side? Sometimes when I am driving(especially on city roads) and let go of steering wheel, the car veers right or left. Depending on slope, angle, and quality of the road, not to mention alignment and quality of tires.

Not enough information for me to decide if this was a justified shooting or not. But IMO, just another example that adds to the case for all LE and LE vehicles to be equipped with cams. In the year 2015, it shouldn't even be a topic of discussion anymore IMO, cameras are almost everywhere.

VEERING, yes. Turning completely, NO. If by veering, the car ran over the cops leg, then it was absolutely driving in his direction when the cops fired at the driver, IMO.

 

[CoolJ]

VEERING, yes. Turning completely, NO. If by veering, the car ran over the cops leg, then it was absolutely driving in his direction when the cops fired at the driver, IMO.

In the picture posted earlier, it looks to me like the car could have veered off to the left. Now that doesn't say anything about whether the shooting was justified or not.
If the girl drove straight at the officers and they were directly in front of her, then of course they would have no choice but to shoot. But, if she was trying to escape and they were not in front of her, both federal law, and Denver Police policy says they are not justified to use deadly force..

Are there any pictures that show us the degree of turn of the front tires?

 

[Yoda]

In the picture posted earlier, it looks to me like the car could have veered off to the left. Now that doesn't say anything about whether the shooting was justified or not.
If the girl drove straight at the officers and they were directly in front of her, then of course they would have no choice but to shoot. But, if she was trying to escape and they were not in front of her, both federal law, and Denver Police policy says they are not justified to use deadly force..

Are there any pictures that show us the degree of turn of the front tires?

 

[al66pine]

Not sure their reasoning why they wouldn't get out but I can think of numerous reasons
why they would choose not to other than knowing it was stolen....

bbm sbm

Reasons some passengers may have refused to comply w orders, other than knowing car was stolen?
- passengers know there are arrest warrants outstanding on them.
- passengers are holding illegal drugs.
- passengers are holding illegal weapons.
- passengers pockets are filled w stolen credit cards and/or fake IDs.
- passengers are holding large amounts of cash.
- combination of the above.
Or could be none of the above, maybe cold temperature, maybe no jackets or coats.

Maybe you can suggest numerous 'innocent' reasons not to exit car.
None have come to mind for me yet.

 

[Yoda]

"The mother of 17-year-old Jessica Hernandez told 9NEWS that her daughter was recently released from jail and accused of stealing a car.

Despite the admission that her daughter had been in trouble before, Laura Rosales feels Denver Police made a mistake.
"Now we are going to start to mobilize because I don't want the death of my daughter to go without punishment," said Rosales in Spanish.
She says she refused to give her car to Hernandez the night before the shooting because she was worried she'd get pulled over with a suspended license. Rosales wishes she could have stopped her from going out at all."


http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/01/28/jessie-hernandez-shooting-criminal-record/22496651/

 

[Yoda]

"Now we are going to start to mobilize because I don't want the death of my daughter to go without punishment," said Rosales in Spanish.

SBM and BBM. Would this be an example of irony?

 

[Tssiemer]

You slay me.


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[katydid23]

"The mother of 17-year-old Jessica Hernandez told 9NEWS that her daughter was recently released from jail and accused of stealing a car.

Despite the admission that her daughter had been in trouble before, Laura Rosales feels Denver Police made a mistake.
"Now we are going to start to mobilize because I don't want the death of my daughter to go without punishment," said Rosales in Spanish.
She says she refused to give her car to Hernandez the night before the shooting because she was worried she'd get pulled over with a suspended license. Rosales wishes she could have stopped her from going out at all."


http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/01/28/jessie-hernandez-shooting-criminal-record/22496651/

So she was driving on suspended and had just been released on stolen car charges---that tells me that she was pretty desperate when she was stopped this time. Once again, it is a pattern of very poor choices, on the part of the shooting victims, that is leading to the police shootings. JMO

 

[Yoda]

So she was driving on suspended and had just been released on stolen car charges---that tells me that she was pretty desperate when she was stopped this time. Once again, it is a pattern of very poor choices, on the part of the shooting victims, that is leading to the police shootings. JMO

It appears that protestors believe the car thief, who did not follow police instructions to exit the vehicle, who proceeded to try to leave the scene in the stolen vehicle, and who drove towards a responding officer who was ultimately injured by the thiefs attempt to flee, should have been allowed to go on her merry way. When would they like the police to uphold the laws?
How about the police do what the protestors are asking them to- ignore stolen car reports, don't confront thieves, do nothing if an innocent person is injured or killed while a criminal is attempting to escape? Sounds like an atmosphere criminals would love and thrive in. Jmo

 

[CoolJ]

bbm sbm

Reasons some passengers may have refused to comply w orders, other than knowing car was stolen?
- passengers know there are arrest warrants outstanding on them.
- passengers are holding illegal drugs.
- passengers are holding illegal weapons.
- passengers pockets are filled w stolen credit cards and/or fake IDs.
- passengers are holding large amounts of cash.
- combination of the above.
Or could be none of the above, maybe cold temperature, maybe no jackets or coats.

Maybe you can suggest numerous 'innocent' reasons not to exit car.
None have come to mind for me yet.

LOL, why do I get to choose the "innocent" reasons? What you listed was more along the ones of what I was thinking. But here are a couple of possible "innocent" ones:
-passengers were scared of LE
-passengers were following the lead of driver
-passengers didn't know they were being asked to get out of car

 

[bwt42]

LOL, why do I get to choose the "innocent" reasons? What you listed was more along the ones of what I was thinking. But here are a couple of possible "innocent" ones:
-passengers were scared of LE
-passengers were following the lead of driver
-passengers didn't know they were being asked to get out of car

Passengers were not use to following orders from authority figures like teachers, parents etc.

 

[Tssiemer]

Omg. I just can't even anymore.


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