CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[MyBelle]

These may be 'facts' of some sort, but they do not have any bearing on the events of the case, insofar as they're the sort of thing that could be taken as character evidence, but they do nothing to explain what happened during this incident. As well, some of the things that you mention are, in fact, opinions -- such as 'hating cops', or liking drugs or alcohol, both of which would be, at base, opinions.

I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a private person's social media and official reports/MSM from professional media sources, and there are really good reasons why we don't discuss the former here. People should be judged on what they have done rather than what they believe.

I think people are judging this young woman for the choices she made. Hopefully, her friends will learn from this tragedy and not try to repeat it.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

That's cool that you believe she drove at 80 moh (or 80 miler per hour?) towards the officer and the fence - but why does the minimal damage to the fence show it was 'kissed' by the same vehicle. Forensics- can't get around that in the long run. Jmo.

I don't think she emant she was driving 80mph in the ally. Those reports of her driving 80 are from earlier in the night, on the fwy. IIRC

 

[Woodland]

My thoughts exactly! She is 23 now and it has not happened since. that's for sure.

Also, in her 19 yr old mind, she did not think she was 'ignoring' it. She was going to pay for it when she had the money. She did not understand the way it really works. She learned her lesson though.

Lots of people (19 or whatever) shot by LE were going to do the right thing - glad your daughter was not one of them. Glad mine wasn't one of them as well. Your daughter didn't understand the way it works at 19 but that was OK? Unlike the 17 year-old in this case? Relevance is?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I find it very telling that some want to see this as bad cops shooting and innocent teen. They are willing to automatically accept the cops are the criminals here. With nothing to back it up.

But there is plenty to back up the fact this girl was not a model citizen (to say the least). Her actions that we know as fact are why they were in the ally to begin with. But somehow she's the victim.

Baffles me.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Lots of people (19 or whatever) shot by LE were going to do the right thing - glad your daughter was not one of them. Glad mine wasn't one of them as well. Your daughter didn't understand the way it works at 19 but that was OK? Unlike the 17 year-old in this case? Relevance is?

I'm pretty sure her daughter didn't steal cars and ignore commands by LE. Then either try to flee or run an officer down.

I don't know.

 

[Woodland]

I don't think she emant she was driving 80mph in the ally. Those reports of her driving 80 are from earlier in the night, on the fwy. IIRC

The post doesn't say that - maybe the poster can speak for themselves?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

That's cool that you believe she drove at 80 moh (or 80 miler per hour?) towards the officer and the fence - but why does the minimal damage to the fence show it was 'kissed' by the same vehicle. Forensics- can't get around that in the long run. Jmo.

I meant mph but autocorrect made it moh. Since I'm not a spellcheck nazi, idc if its moh since I'd assume that most people would understand already what I meant lol. But I think I'm mistaken about the 80 mph thing. Wasn't that during a prior chase where she was eluding police?

 

[MyBelle]

My thoughts exactly! She is 23 now and it has not happened since. that's for sure.

Also, in her 19 yr old mind, she did not think she was 'ignoring' it. She was going to pay for it when she had the money. She did not understand the way it really works. She learned her lesson though.

She learned and has no intention of repeating it. That's the way it is supposed to happen, imo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I don't think she emant she was driving 80mph in the ally. Those reports of her driving 80 are from earlier in the night, on the fwy. IIRC

The post doesn't say that - maybe the poster can speak for themselves?

No, I didn't mean that. I was confused. I thought I read she was eluding police at 80 mph with passengers in the car...but on a prior date. I was confusing the passenger aspect. Very sorry for the confusion.

 

[al66pine]

I don't think she emant she was driving 80mph in the ally. Those reports of her driving 80 are from earlier in the night, on the fwy. IIRC

80mph, morning of shooting? IDTS, not in alley, not elsewhere that day. IIRC, 80mph (and more) was Jan 1.
IIRC, on morning of shooting, Jessica caught LE's attn, b/c of 911 call re suspicious car in alley.
LE responded, confirmed car as reported stolen, then stuff hit the fan.
(I could be misremembering tho, no links)

 

[katydid23]

Lots of people (19 or whatever) shot by LE were going to do the right thing - glad your daughter was not one of them. Glad mine wasn't one of them as well. Your daughter didn't understand the way it works at 19 but that was OK? Unlike the 17 year-old in this case? Relevance is?

Relevance? Mine did not steal a car, on the day she was released from jail, and drive around with her friends on her suspended license. Mine knew that upon getting the WARNING that she COULD be suspended, she needed to immediately take care of it so it did not happen.

Why would my daughter be shot? She did not steal cars, nor refuse to comply with the cops orders. Nor does she abuse illegal drugs.

As for not understanding 'how it works.' She thought she could wait and pay the fine when she got her tax return. She did not understand that she needed to COMMUNICATE with the court and set up a plan. It was her first moving violation.

 

[MyBelle]

Lots of people (19 or whatever) shot by LE were going to do the right thing - glad your daughter was not one of them. Glad mine wasn't one of them as well. Your daughter didn't understand the way it works at 19 but that was OK? Unlike the 17 year-old in this case? Relevance is?

The relevance is that the 17-year-old in this case knowingly and intentionally repeated behavior after she knew it was illegal.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

She learned and has no intention of repeating it. That's the way it is supposed to happen, imo

Exactly. Kids are not perfect. They make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. At 19 she was in her own apt. for first time, and working and in school. So a traffic ticket was just another hurdle and she naively overlooked it's importance. If it had gone to warrant and she had ignored it, it is the kind of things that snowballs into a nightmare.

 

[Woodland]

I find it very telling that some want to see this as bad cops shooting and innocent teen. They are willing to automatically accept the cops are the criminals here. With nothing to back it up.

But there is plenty to back up the fact this girl was not a model citizen (to say the least). Her actions that we know as fact are why they were in the ally to begin with. But somehow she's the victim.

Baffles me.

No one said this teen was innocent - putting words in the mouths of other posters is a good way to win a point of view though, it seems. Non-model citizens are shot with a little to much frequency for some. We are entitled to that opinion - hard as it seems to be. Jmo. Jmo could be used more often in this type of post - it would seem less militant if one is speaking in defense of LE. Jmo. I can't be swayed with militancy - it only works against me. Something to bear in mind if one wants to understand both sides.

I very much like the LE PR video of the cop lip syncing the TS song - too funny. Put the humanism back in cops, for me anyway. Please - hopefully no one comes back with I'm saying that is what LE should be doing with their time. Absolute literal is not the only point of some posts.

 

[Woodland]

The relevance is that the 17-year-old in this case knowingly and intentionally repeated behavior after she knew it was illegal.

JMO

And the 19 yer-old did not? Seems it matters whose 19 year-old we are talking about. Although it shouldn't. Jmo.

 

[Woodland]

I meant mph but autocorrect made it moh. Since I'm not a spellcheck nazi, idc if its moh since I'd assume that most people would understand already what I meant lol. But I think I'm mistaken about the 80 mph thing. Wasn't that during a prior chase where she was eluding police?

We don't know if you were mistaken or not. That's up to you. What was the evidence you spoke about? Moh wan't the point. How fast was she driving and when?

 

[MyBelle]

And the 19 yer-old did not? Seems it matters whose 19 year-old we are talking about. Although it shouldn't. Jmo.

The post clearly states the 19-year-old fulfilled the terms and conditions for the infraction and that she didn't go out and do it again. In this case, the behavior didn't cease and was repeated and escalated into multiple illegal acts. Big difference, imo.

 

[katydid23]

And the 19 yer-old did not? Seems it matters whose 19 year-old we are talking about. Although it shouldn't. Jmo.

NO> The 19 yr old did not. The 19 yr old did nothing illegal. She simply did not pay her ticket off in time and it doubled. That is not illegal, that is stupid. When it became potentially illegal, she did something about it and went to court and paid the fine. So NO, she did not 'intentionally repeat illegal behavior.'

She did not have her license suspended. Nor did she steal cars, and speed around town joyriding with friends.

The 19 yr old was working a great job and going to college and living a good responsible life. And her job requires drug testing. So please do not compare the 19 yr old to the 17 yr old in this tragic case. The 19 yr old is a case in contrast to this one.

Also, the 19 yr old is very careful with her social media because her employer routinely looks at the instagrams/tweets.

 

[MyBelle]

No one said this teen was innocent - putting words in the mouths of other posters is a good way to win a point of view though, it seems. Non-model citizens are shot with a little to much frequency for some. We are entitled to that opinion - hard as it seems to be. Jmo. Jmo could be used more often in this type of post - it would seem less militant if one is speaking in defense of LE. Jmo. I can't be swayed with militancy - it only works against me. Something to bear in mind if one wants to understand both sides.

I very much like the LE PR video of the cop lip syncing the TS song - too funny. Put the humanism back in cops, for me anyway. Please - hopefully no one comes back with I'm saying that is what LE should be doing with their time. Absolute literal is not the only point of some posts.

In this case, there really is not two sides. A citizen can't help herself to the property of another citizen. She can't endanger other citizens by breaking speed limits on public roadways. She can't disrupt their right to peaceful domicile by blaring loud music.

If a citizen doesn't want to follow the laws of the state in which they reside, they are allowed to move and I think their neighbors just might throw a party in farewell.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

State troopers cited Jessica Hernandez on Jan. 1 for speeding down a highway north of Denver in her mother's car after the girl's driver's license had been revoked.

The citation shows Hernandez was driving 80 mph in a 55 mph zone, and the trooper noted that she was resisting arrest in a way that risked serious injury to him or others. It does not provide other details of the case.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/expert-notes-officers-threat-perception-fatal-shootings-28599768