CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[katydid23]

Here is a previous similar case, which was deemed justified, but the victim's family disagrees:

http://blogs.westword.com/latestwor...lo_shooting_decision_letter_march_protest.php

This incident is a direct result of choices made by Ronquillo: He first chose to steal a car. He then chose to flee despite almost no viable options -- backing up and hitting two private cars, one occupied by several members of a family, then running into a police car. He then chose to drive forward toward armed law enforcement officers who had given him repeated commands to stop and repeated opportunities to surrender. As noted previously, the violence of his actions can be seen in the surveillance video; that fact that no civilians and only one officer was injured is remarkable.

 

[Woodland]

Link pls and copy and paste the text for Denver Police 'don't shoot the driver' policy.

Apparently you're referring to diff policy than one already posted 3-4 times on this thread. I'd like to see the version you're referring to.

As requested, same as posted previously -

The Denver Police Department use-of-force policy for moving vehicles

Moving vehicles

a. Firing at moving vehicles: Firing at a moving vehicle may have very little impact on stopping the vehicle. Disabling the driver may result in an uncontrolled vehicle, and the likelihood of injury to occupants of the vehicle (who may not be involved in the crime) may be increased when the vehicle is either out of control or shots are fired into the passenger compartment. An officer threatened by an oncoming vehicle shall, if feasible, move out of the way rather than discharging a firearm. Officer(s) shall not discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupant(s) in response to a threat posed solely by the vehicle unless the officer has an objectively reasonable belief that:

1. The vehicle or suspect poses an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person and

2. The officer has no reasonable alternative course of action to prevent death or serious physical injury.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...s-fatal-shooting-unarmed-teen?source=infinite

Article is originally from post #38 - maybe previously. What?

 

[katydid23]

As requested, same as posted previously -

The Denver Police Department use-of-force policy for moving vehicles

Moving vehicles

a. Firing at moving vehicles: Firing at a moving vehicle may have very little impact on stopping the vehicle. Disabling the driver may result in an uncontrolled vehicle, and the likelihood of injury to occupants of the vehicle (who may not be involved in the crime) may be increased when the vehicle is either out of control or shots are fired into the passenger compartment. An officer threatened by an oncoming vehicle shall, if feasible, move out of the way rather than discharging a firearm. Officer(s) shall not discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupant(s) in response to a threat posed solely by the vehicle unless the officer has an objectively reasonable belief that:

1. The vehicle or suspect poses an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person and

2. The officer has no reasonable alternative course of action to prevent death or serious physical injury.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...s-fatal-shooting-unarmed-teen?source=infinite

Article is originally from post #38 - maybe previously. What?

I think the witness corroborated this part:



1. The vehicle or suspect poses an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person and

2. The officer has no reasonable alternative course of action to prevent death or serious physical injury.


when she said that the officer was trapped between the car and the fence. JMO

 

[CoolJ]

Is it true that there were 4 shootings by DPD in the past 6 months where the person shot was said to be using vehicle as weapon?

 

[Woodland]

I think the witness corroborated this part:



1. The vehicle or suspect poses an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person and

2. The officer has no reasonable alternative course of action to prevent death or serious physical injury.


when she said that the officer was trapped between the car and the fence. JMO

Yes that is one version. We'll see with forensics?

 

[Woodland]

Is it true that there were 4 shootings by DPD in the past 6 months where the person shot was said to be using vehicle as weapon?

Don't recall anyone saying the vehicle was used as a weapon - a moving vehicle was the term used.

 

[ninij9]

Who is judging LE?
Please don't question my integrity.

I wasn't quoting you. Or speaking to you directly.

 

[ninij9]

With all due respect you are entitled to your opinion on the sequence of events - others that view the sequence differently are entitled to do the same. Facts are welcome if there are any new ones to provide? Jmo.

With All due respect I DID state it was my opinion. I have read yours for many pages, I am Allowed to post my own. Thanks!

 

[ninij9]

With all due respect you are entitled to your opinion on the sequence of events - others that view the sequence differently are entitled to do the same. Facts are welcome if there are any new ones to provide? Jmo.

Facts are welcome, always.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Previous actions by Jessica Hernandez that sway my opinion towards this being a justified police shooting is this.

DENVER — A 17-year-old girl who was shot to death by Denver police while driving a stolen car was accused in a separate incident of eluding a police officer and resisting arrest just three weeks before her death, court records obtained Friday show.

Eluding and resisting. She has a history of not complying with lawful orders by law enforcement. The confrontation that ended with her death was not an isolated incident.

This history conforms with someone who would use a stolen vehicle as a weapon against a law enforcement officer in an attempt to evade arrest.

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...reviously-cited-for-resisting-arrest-eluding/

 

[katydid23]

Yes that is one version. We'll see with forensics?

That is 'one version.' But it is not from the cops, it is from a passenger in the stolen car. Makes it more credible if she admits the cop was trapped between the car and the fence, imo.

 

[katydid23]

Is it true that there were 4 shootings by DPD in the past 6 months where the person shot was said to be using vehicle as weapon?

I have been trying to find them, if so. I found one, which I posted upthread.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...ch_protest.php

 

[Woodland]

That is 'one version.' But it is not from the cops, it is from a passenger in the stolen car. Makes it more credible if she admits the cop was trapped between the car and the fence, imo.

A fair discussion would include that the witness said the officer was pinned after the driver was shot. Fair is up to the user of that term though. Jmo.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Was it the same driver as in this case?

Does it need to be the same driver as in this case to be discussed here? I don't think it does. Just as Katy said, it's interesting past history.

It seems to me bringing forward links and information that pertains to what's being discussed keeps the discussion moving forward.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

IMO, much of this debate would be irrelevant if, based upon my interpretation of the deceased own social media seeming to indicate the possibility of suicide by cop. I am on Tapatalk and do not know how to link her own twitter comments alluding to dying by cops for her lifestyle. IMO she romanticized being a "" because she thought it was cool. I mean she was immature as well as criminal. I feel for her family, but I have little pity for the lifestyle she CHOSE. I am heartily sick to death of cop bashing. We need these officers To make these split second decisions to ensure that we live in a relatively peaceful society. Some few here say not to judge her until evidence is in, well don't judge LE either. It isn't a rumor that she regularly engaged in criminal, illegal behavior. It is FACT. I hate to see a young woman's life end, but she wrote her own story here. JMO. I am so very happy to see so much support for LE on this thread BTW. Often enough we have to question, but this case is way to clear cut to me.

Excellent post!

 

[katydid23]

Is it true that there were 4 shootings by DPD in the past 6 months where the person shot was said to be using vehicle as weapon?

From what I see, there were 4 shootings, and two resulted in deaths. Jessica Hernandez and Ryan Ronquillo, 21





Within the last seven months, Denver police have shot at cars four times — killing two people.

Denver Police Chief Robert White is reviewing the shootings and independent monitor Nick Mitchell has launched an investigation into the department's policy, which now allows officers to shoot at cars if they have "reasonable belief" that the vehicle poses "an immediate threat of death or physical injury."

 

[bwt42]

Why did the vehicle move forward striking an officer? Have not seen a forensic conclusion - only speculation. Maybe there is an MSM article not posted yet?

Find it most interesting the 'discussion' can conclude why the vehicle hit the officer. It's the very point the Denver Police Chief retracted - for the moment. If he doesn't know, yet, then we don't know. Unless he has changed his mind again?

I think we can conclude why the vehicle hit the officer. Both the vehicle & the officer tried to occupy the same space at the same time. I am assuming the officer occupied the space first.

 

[katydid23]

A fair discussion would include that the witness said the officer was pinned after the driver was shot. Fair is up to the user of that term though. Jmo.

How is it not fair that I did not include that part? It has ALREADY been discussed here. Please do not accuse me of being unfair. That is an unfair accusation. I only quoted the portion that I intended to discuss in that post. There is nothing 'unfair' about that. :no:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think we can conclude why the vehicle hit the officer. Both the vehicle & the officer tried to occupy the same space at the same time. I am assuming the officer occupied the space first.

That makes sense. I'm having a hard time understanding how an officer shooting at the driver of a car that's heading towards him is the cause of the car hitting him and breaking his leg. JMO.

 

[ninij9]

I think we can conclude why the vehicle hit the officer. Both the vehicle & the officer tried to occupy the same space at the same time. I am assuming the officer occupied the space first.

Nicely put!!