CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[CoolJ]

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The car may have driven in the general direction of the officer initially, but he fired when the car was passing him and no longer posed a threat.

The way I saw it, the shooting started from a "front left" angle (the 3 bullet holes in lower left FRONT windshield) and continued shooting as car drove by. While the other officer was likely not in as much danger, I can see how he thought his colleague may have been.

 

[CoolJ]

I will also say, I can see this from the other side as well. If my child was in that car, and I saw it riddled with bullets like that I may have a different opinion. It is a tragic case all around and yet extremely fortunate non of the other passengers were killed.

 

[Fred Hall]

Front-left of the car for the initial shots fired. In a matter of less than two seconds I am not sure how much thinking can be done. They had to react extremely quickly. They were literally right on top(next too) the car. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here that they were scared for the officer closer to the front that he could have been hit. But we can't all agree. We all see it differently.
I even pretty much agree with katy this time and she is still mad at me. lol

Everybody has a intuitive grasp of how cars can and can't move. Everybody instinctively knows that cars turn from the front wheels and that if a car is beside you it can't run over you.

 

[Fred Hall]

The way I saw it, the shooting started from a "front left" angle (the 3 bullet holes in lower left FRONT windshield) and continued shooting as car drove by. While the other officers was likely not in as much danger, I can see how he thought his colleague may have been.

The officer on the front left of the car shot first. He made the decision to open fire when the front extremity of the car was passing him and no longer posed a threat.

 

[KaaBoom]

She drove straight ahead, right towards a cop aiming his weapon at her car. BAD MOVE. It irks me that people want to blame the cop that she was defying and driving towards, rather than discuss her long laundry list of very bad decisions.

Incorrect, she drove her car by the officers, who were pointing their weapons at the side of the car. Not towards them.

 

[katydid23]

Front-left of the car for the initial shots fired. In a matter of less than two seconds I am not sure how much thinking can be done. They had to react extremely quickly. They were literally right on top(next too) the car. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here that they were scared for the officer closer to the front that he could have been hit. But we can't all agree. We all see it differently.
I even pretty much agree with katy this time and she is still mad at me. lol

I'm not mad. I'm in shock. :wink:

 

[katydid23]

Incorrect, she drove her car between the officers, who were pointing their weapons at the sides of the car. Not towards them.

She could not drive 'between' them without driving 'towards' them, imo. One of the officers was in front of the car, before he pushed himself off to the side of the car.

 

[katydid23]

The officer on the front left of the car shot first. He made the decision to open fire when the front extremity of the car was passing him and no longer posed a threat.

I think the timing was a bit closer than that. He was in the process of firing, pushed off the car to jump to the side of it, AS he was firing. The whole thing happened in split seconds.

 

[katydid23]

I am not saying what Morrissey said wasn't true. I am saying it bothers me that it's the only solution he offers for avoiding this tragedy and he emphasizes it by ending his report with that line.
It's almost like a warning for the citizens . "Do whatever police tell you to do, or else"

Which it is. :wink:

 

[Fred Hall]

She could not drive 'between' them without driving 'towards' them, imo. One of the officers was in front of the car, before he pushed himself off to the side of the car.

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Whether or not the officer was ever directly in front of the car, he wasn't in front when he decided to shoot the driver.

 

[KaaBoom]

She could not drive 'between' them without driving 'towards' them, imo. One of the officers was in front of the car, before he pushed himself off to the side of the car.

The officers were not in front of the car when they shot her. Thats all that matters. She was no threat to them at the time they shot her. Thats murder.

 

[katydid23]

I will also say, I can see this from the other side as well. If my child was in that car, and I saw it riddled with bullets like that I may have a different opinion. It is a tragic case all around and yet extremely fortunate non of the other passengers were killed.

If my child was out on bail for stolen car and running from the cops, left the house anyway, stole another car and drove on a suspended license, while drunk and high, had friends in the car that supposedly didn't know they were in a stolen car, and she drove off, towards them, when the cops ordered her to stay put, then I hope that I would be looking at my own part in the tragedy, and not be screaming and yelling at the cops and saying it was all their fault.

 

[katydid23]

The officers were not in front of the car when they shot her. Thats all that matters. She was no threat to them at the time they shot her. Thats murder.

That's not 'all that matters,' imo. It is the timing and sequence of events that matter. JMO

From what I read in the officer's statement, he was in danger of being hit by the car, he was aiming at the car to shoot and he pushed himself to the side of the car and continued to fire, as the car passed by. That was just a split second. So it is not murder.

 

[KaaBoom]

If my child was out on bail for stolen car

Source that she was out on bail for stealing a car?

 

[katydid23]

Source?

It is in all of the early articles. She had been arrested just a week before for stealing a car and running from the cops. She had just been released from custody that same day, IIRC.

I will try and find a link.

 

[KaaBoom]

That's not 'all that matters,' imo. It is the timing and sequence of events that matter. JMO

From what I read in the officer's statement, he was in danger of being hit by the car, he was aiming at the car to shoot and he pushed himself to the side of the car and continued to fire, as the car passed by. That was just a split second. So it is not murder.

So he saved himself from danger by pushing himself out of the way. Then he proceeded to kill her for no reason.

 

[katydid23]

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Whether or not the officer was ever directly in front of the car, he wasn't in front when he decided to shoot the driver.

Officer Jordan said the Honda was going much faster than during the earlier forward and backward movements it had made in the alley. When describing the car accelerating toward him, he said: “... An image that keeps coming back to me is the -- almost the entire hood and the -- the driver’s side light. And so it was -- it was no time....” The Honda came within “inches” of him.

“And as it’s coming at me, at some point, I had hit the car...with my hand pushing away, with part of...my hand. I don’t remember exactly where in front of the car but I remember being in front of the car and getting...to the side and pushing like this and I could still feel -- [crying] --

... I could still feel that the car...was coming and I felt like it was coming toward me and I’m -- pushing away, and -- and at the same time, I’m...going like this [demonstrating pushing away with his left hand] and I’m thinking that any minute I’m going to get pushed up against the background and I’m going to get tumbled through and I’m done.
... I was thinking I was going to die.”

When asked what the “background” was that he feared being pushed up against, he answered: “It was the...fence or the brick. I don’t know exactly where it was. I knew it was right behind me and the car was right in front of me.”

He described shooting, having only his right hand on the gun, when he was at the front fender on the driver side, pushing away from the car with his left hand:

“I waited till I had to hit the car away and I’m thinking now I’m going to go -- I’m going to get squished and -- and killed, and right then is when I fired. And...I’d be surprised if my gun wasn’t touching the driver’s side -- the window.”



I waited till I had to hit the car away and I’m thinking now I’m going to go -- I’m going to get squished and -- and killed, and right then is when I fired. And...I’d be surprised if my gun wasn’t touching the driver’s side -- the window.


He was afraid of being squished up against the wall. Looking at how the car ended up, I can see why.

 

[Fred Hall]

That's not 'all that matters,' imo. It is the timing and sequence of events that matter. JMO

From what I read in the officer's statement, he was in danger of being hit by the car, he was aiming at the car to shoot and he pushed himself to the side of the car and continued to fire, as the car passed by. That was just a split second. So it is not murder.

If I caught a thief driving off in my car and fired into it from these exact same angles, I would be charged with murder.

 

[Fred Hall]

So he saved himself from danger by pushing himself out of the way. Then he proceeded to kill her for no reason.

No legal reason. He was infuriated that she had defied him, and he didn't want her to get away with it.

 

[KaaBoom]

It is in all of the early articles. She had been arrested just a week before for stealing a car and running from the cops. She had just been released from custody that same day, IIRC.

I will try and find a link.

I believe the articles you are thinking about, said that she was stopped for speeding, driving with a revoked license, and she was charged with resisting arrest. If you have more then that I'd be interested in seeing it.